Minato's SM

[Turson]

Too early to say so.

Too early to say what?

 

[shelke]

Too early to say what?

Too early to say that he sucks at SM, which he canonically does.

 

[RikudouMadara]

You are basically trying to deny Kishimotos facts and create your own.

You cannot deny the fact that Minato is SLOW at Entering Sage mode and that He cannot maintain it for a long time, IT WAS SAID by Minato - Kishimoto.

Stop overfanboying, cause this is just retarded at this point.

This, but less harsh....I'm surprised at the denial you seemingly have. I've not ever been so awe struck here on NB at what I feel to be blatant denial. I'm surprised at those who believe the key points of this thread. O_O Anywho.....I'll give you a S+ for effort. I would say I disagree, but by Kishis Manga you're wrong anything that is in the past is made void by the current. So contradictory of the Manga means nothing. Kishis most recent is what matters...... Just the way it is. Not trying to be rude, but just wow! >_O

 

[Steinbiz]

Tsukuyomi is faster, so gg

uh no. lol

 

[Turson]

Too early to say that he sucks as SM, which he canonically does.

Well, lets just say that hes poor at it. Aside from the fact that his SM is perfect (no frog charasteristics excluding pupils, which according to Fukusaku classify as perfect SM) the drawbacks make this mode useless in his case. The sheer fact that he never used this mode in combat situation in his lifetime speaks for itself. But, well... some people will still be bound to their own personal opinion.

 

[shelke]

Well, lets just say that hes poor at it. Aside from the fact that his SM is perfect (no frog charasteristics excluding pupils, which according to Fukusaku classify as perfect SM) the drawbacks make this mode useless in his case. The sheer fact that he never used this mode in combat situation in his lifetime speaks for itself. But, well... some people will still be bound to their own personal opinion.

That's what I said. It was just more to the point.

 

[Turson]

That's what I said. It was just more to the point.

Well, maybe I was too harsh, this mode is almost useless in his case. Chapter 665 proved that in some favourable circumstances he could indeed use it, but still... its obviously not enough to praise it becuase of it.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Well, lets just say that hes poor at it. Aside from the fact that his SM is perfect (no frog charasteristics excluding pupils, which according to Fukusaku classify as perfect SM) the drawbacks make this mode useless in his case. The sheer fact that he never used this mode in combat situation in his lifetime speaks for itself. But, well... some people will still be bound to their own personal opinion.

He just used it in battle -_- Maybe he never fought an enemy strong enough to test it against.

 

[shelke]

Well, maybe I was too harsh, this mode is almost useless in his case. Chapter 665 proved that in some favourable circumstances he could indeed use it, but still... its obviously not enough to praise it becuase of it.

You were not harsh, when he himself, explicitly states that he never used it A) because it takes too long to knead chakra for it, and B) because he isn't good at it and finally C) he cannot maintain it for too long, meaning only a couple of seconds as the manga exhibited.

So yes, useless it is.

 

[Turson]

He just used it in battle -_- Maybe he never fought an enemy strong enough to test it against.

Please, read my last post.

You were not harsh, when he himself, explicitly states that he never used it A) because it takes too long to knead chakra for it, and B) because he isn't good at it and finally C) he cannot maintain it for too long, meaning only a couple of seconds as the manga exhibited.

So yes, useless it is.

Yeah, yeah... I know. But he still used it in manga, although becuase of ridiculous level of his opponent it wasnt successful at all, so yeah... I would say its almost useless. But its not enough to make a thread for it.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Please, read my last post.

Except I think the opposite, I don't see how it's almost useless in battle. If anything it is very useful for quickly trying to land a powerful/fatal blow against an opponent. From what the scans show, it doesn't take him long at all to enter sage mode unless yiu can show me the scan of his gathering the senjutsu. But like I've already said, the quicker he goes into sage mode, the less senjutsu he has available to use, hence lasting seconds long. However the longer he gathers senjutsu the longer he stays in it, obviously it won't ve convenient because it takes too long unless he uses decoys in order to gather more.

 

[Turson]

Except I think the opposite, I don't see how it's almost useless in battle. If anything it is very useful for quickly trying to land a powerful/fatal blow against an opponent. From what the scans show, it doesn't take him long at all to enter sage mode unless yiu can show me the scan of his gathering the senjutsu. But like I've already said, the quicker he goes into sage mode, the less senjutsu he has available to use, hence lasting seconds long. However the longer he gathers senjutsu the longer he stays in it, obviously it won't ve convenient because it takes too long unless he uses decoys in order to gather more.

Im sorry, but I dont see how thats the case considering that he never used it in combat becuase of the drawbacks. Like it or not, but Minato explained it rather clearly.

 

[Kinimaster]

Yes its obviously not something very usefull, thats why Minato said he wasnt good at it, and never used it before.

Conclusion= Minato SM Sucks.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Im sorry, but I dont see how thats the case considering that he never used it in combat becuase of the drawbacks. Like it or not, but Minato explained it rather clearly.

I understand the drawbacks, but also consider the fact they he probably never really faced anyone that pushed him that far. Madara weakness in senjutsu and Minato displayed that if it comes down to it he will use it.

 

[Turson]

I understand the drawbacks, but also consider the fact they he probably never really faced anyone that pushed him that far. Madara weakness in senjutsu and Minato displayed that if it comes down to it he will use it.

Well, I dont know about that. SM sensing could be useful against Obito becuase it would allow him to track enemy who uses teleportation technique. And there is also A. According to manga they fought against each other more then once, yet they both survived the war, this tells us how close those battles were.

 

[TobiramaWaterStyle]

If people are willing to accept this as fact then we should allow Yagura to be considered a Perfect Jin.

Kishi clearly forgot the protocol for Sage Mode if unfinished you get frog characteristics yet decided to give Minato a perfect looking Sage Mode. Just like how Kishi first wrote that a perfect jin could easily break out of genjutsu but have Yagura (a noted perfect jinchuuriki after the statement made by Bee) put into a genjutsu for years.

Kishi is human and can make forget some minor details, so do I believe this theory no not really.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Well, I dont know about that. SM sensing could be useful against Obito becuase it would allow him to track enemy who uses teleportation technique. And there is also A. According to manga they fought against each other more then once, yet they both survived the war, this tells us how close those battles were.

Let's not forget how much Ay praises Minato and thought he could never be surpassed, and thats without hI'm seeing minatos sage mode. I think it's sage to say Obito was his most powerful opponent and even then senjutsu wasn't needed. Again why senjutsu isn't that useful to Minato is because he's already a great sensor, he could sense Naruto and kuramas union from countries away so I don't think Minato would rely on sage mode sensing.

Which is why I feel that Minatos sage mode is something he'd only resort to against I dunno, maybe a Susanoo user or Third Raikage by using sage enhanced rasengans to break down defense.

 

[Turson]

Let's not forget how much Ay praises Minato and thought he could never be surpassed, and thats without hI'm seeing minatos sage mode. I think it's sage to say Obito was his most powerful opponent and even then senjutsu wasn't needed. Again why senjutsu isn't that useful to Minato is because he's already a great sensor, he could sense Naruto and kuramas union from countries away so I don't think Minato would rely on sage mode sensing.

Which is why I feel that Minatos sage mode is something he'd only resort to against I dunno, maybe a Susanoo user or Third Raikage by using sage enhanced rasengans to break down defense.

Thing is, massive chakras can be sensed even by shinobis with no sensing feats, just like when Sasuke sensed BM Narutos chakra from far away, when he he was in Konoha. According to manga, Minato can only track people like Tobirama, by putting his fingers on the ground. Its far inferior to SM Narutos sensing, who was able to scan through whole battlefield in a mere seconds. And yeah, I know that Minato was praised by A (no wonder, he was the only who was "faster" than him, I used quotation mark becuase when you are teleportating you are not moving at all, you are just manipulating space-time), but the fact is, they both survived those battles. Yeah, I know that Minato was a kind hearted individual, but above that, he was Hokage, he would kill A if only he had a chance, there is no doubt about it. Most liklely, A lacked speed to catch Minato, and Minato lacked the offensive power to kill A, but either way they were evenly matched.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Thing is, massive chakras can be sensed even by shinobis with no sensing feats, just like when Sasuke sensed BM Narutos chakra from far away, when he he was in Konoha. According to manga, Minato can only track people like Tobirama, by putting his fingers on the ground. Its far inferior to SM Narutos sensing, who was able to scan through whole battlefield in a mere seconds. And yeah, I know that Minato was praised by A (no wonder, he was the only who was "faster" than him, I used quotation mark becuase when you are teleportating you are not moving at all, you are just manipulating space-time), but the fact is, they both survived those battles. Yeah, I know that Minato was a kind hearted individual, but above that, he was Hokage, he would kill A if only he had a chance, there is no doubt about it. Most liklely, A lacked speed to catch Minato, and Minato lacked the offensive power to kill A, but either way they were evenly matched.

That's not true, Minato can also sense those around him, however he needs to concentrate and activate his sensing ability like he did when he sensed Naruto's fading chakra. But he can definitely sense without his fingers. With Sage mode he automatically gaiins Naruto's sage mode sensing abilities, plus the senjutsu enhances his already great sensing abilities so in a way his is greater than Naruto's since he is already a sensor type.

Minato and Ay fought several times yet, but that still didn't stop Ay from saying he thought Minato would never be surpassed. We don't know the extent of their battles and like you said Minato is kind hearted and he's also rational. I t would be stupid for him to kill the Raikage and cause even more war, he was supposed to be the child of prophecy and and bring peace. For all we know, Minato always outclassed him or spared him. In fact if Bee wasn't there to save Ay, he'd have died in 2 seconds against Minato. So no I don't think they were even close to being evenly matched, if Minato wanted to kill him, a barrage of senjutsu rasengan's would have done the trick.

Sorry to sound like a broken record but I don't believe Minato was pushed hard enough in a battle to the point where sage mode was required, hence why he lacked practice. And even though he lacked practice in the art, he showed perfectly well against Madara that it is always a viable option for him to use in his arsenal.

 

[Turson]

That's not true, Minato can also sense those around him, however he needs to concentrate and activate his sensing ability like he did when he sensed Naruto's fading chakra. But he can definitely sense without his fingers. With Sage mode he automatically gaiins Naruto's sage mode sensing abilities, plus the senjutsu enhances his already great sensing abilities so in a way his is greater than Naruto's since he is already a sensor type.

Minato and Ay fought several times yet, but that still didn't stop Ay from saying he thought Minato would never be surpassed. We don't know the extent of their battles and like you said Minato is kind hearted and he's also rational. I t would be stupid for him to kill the Raikage and cause even more war, he was supposed to be the child of prophecy and and bring peace. For all we know, Minato always outclassed him or spared him. In fact if Bee wasn't there to save Ay, he'd have died in 2 seconds against Minato. So no I don't think they were even close to being evenly matched, if Minato wanted to kill him, a barrage of senjutsu rasengan's would have done the trick.

Sorry to sound like a broken record but I don't believe Minato was pushed hard enough in a battle to the point where sage mode was required, hence why he lacked practice. And even though he lacked practice in the art, he showed perfectly well against Madara that it is always a viable option for him to use in his arsenal.

Im kinda drunk right now, and its pretty late in Poland, I will answer tomorrow.