Minato was a great character, but a terrible sensei

[ismael]

you do realize shinobi are far from perfect. EX: Hashirama united konoha and created even more war which lead to the extinction of the uchiha clan and sasuke going emo. Minato had other matters to deal with others than being with his students. That is why i believe he trusted kakashi who was a jonin to be the captain to lead the 3 men cell. Rin's kidnaping was because of Obito not respecting what kakashi said. Obito then had to repair for the damages he caused by losing an eye and almost dying because that was all his fault. Kakashi killed rin because she had valuable informations. The enemies did not capture her just because she is an enemy, the part where obito almost died shows that they were actually trying to retrieve information from her. You have to blame obito for not being a good student because he had to listen to what his teacher told him.

 

[Takos]

NARUTOS HIS SON ! Obviously he'd care about him over Kakshi

Over, yes. But it doesn't mean he should forget about Kakashi altogether and that's the impression I get.

Its that part *** that made me think, what if, during their time period, senseis weren't allowed to get close to their students?

What do you mean? I didn't really get it.

 

[Bogard]

Thanks for the reply, Bogard. I appreciate your opinion.
I know they've been lacking in military force, but as I said, this does not justify the fact Minato seems not to be interested in his students (or one remaning student, to be more exact) at all, even after being revived. Also, the Kakashi & Rin mission I've already mentioned and the fact that Minato, of all people, suspected Tobi to be Madara and not Obito.
I know he didn't have any bad intentions or anything, it's just that Minato doesn't seem to care about his students ever since the end of Kakashi Gaiden.

Np man But you know. You forget something. Minato probably thinks Kakashi is dead. Remember he was seeing thru Naruto during Pain's attack. And at that moment, Kakashi was dead. It's probably the reason why he didn't think about it, but you're right in one point. I also find it weird that Minato didn't really seem to care about his students, but it seems to be a side of his personality. I also find it weird that he didn't even asked what happened to the masked guy when he got revived. It's funny that Minato seems not to care about anyone beside his son when Hiruzen tells that Minato loved everyone in the village even more than himself when he was Hokage

 

[GreyWizard93]

Over, yes. But it doesn't mean he should forget about Kakashi altogether and that's the impression I get.



What do you mean? I didn't really get it.

Emotion wise, friendship. During that time period maybe senseis
simply taught their students and that's it.
I can't really think of a better way to explain it.

Example: kakashi was like, really close with team 7, best of friends you could say.

What if, in minatos time, they werent allowed or simply, he didn't choose to get emotionally attactched?

I hope that's better, =)

 

[SasukeTheViper EMS]

The fact Kakashi became a captain is a good argument, but it doesn't speak to me. Shikamaru in Sasuke retrieval arc was also appointed the leader, but Kakashi still rushed to help the team (even though most of it was not even his students) and ignored the orders to go on another mission.

Besides, after the incident with Obito, one could think Minato would be more careful and protective, yet Kakashi and Rin were sent alone on a mission in which they had to deal with 40 jonin & ANBU?

Well, Minato rushed in to help them too. But he was a bit late, because he was busy wiping an entire battlefield full of Jounins by himself, when Konoha was lacking in the Military force. Minato still managed to save Kakashi and Rin, after Kakashi blacked-out when he was facing those Iwa-Jounins.

Like I said before, Kakashi and Rin were an independent team at the time. Also, we have yet to know what really happened at that point in time; it could be that Rin was a spy, and she led those Deadly Mist-Anbu there, for all we know...

 

[GreyWizard93]

A death is a death in the end when your in a war and that's what minato was showing/exampling. Maybe??

 

[Takos]

Np man But you know. You forget something. Minato probably thinks Kakashi is dead. Remember he was seeing thru Naruto during Pain's attack. And at that moment, Kakashi was dead. It's probably the reason why he didn't think about it, but you're right in one point. I also find it weird that Minato didn't really seem to care about his students, but it seems to be a side of his personality. I also find it weird that he didn't even asked what happened to the masked guy when he got revived. It's funny that Minato seems not to care about anyone beside his son when Hiruzen tells that Minato loved everyone in the village even more than himself when he was Hokage

Exactly my point.

Emotion wise, friendship. During that time period maybe senseis
simply taught their students and that's it.
I can't really think of a better way to explain it.

Example: kakashi was like, really close with team 7, best of friends you could say.

What if, in minatos time, they werent allowed or simply, he didn't choose to get emotionally attactched?

I hope that's better, =)

I doubt it. In Obito's flashbacks Minato told Obito that he was glad to have a teammate with the same dream as his. That was when they met for the first time, so obviously their bonds have started to develop as early as that.

 

[Whalelord]

Minato was a great ninja but truthly he sucked as a teacher, I stated this many times for one prime example when Orochimaru subordinates went against Orochimaru it was just a awful beat down.

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obito under his orders was not a impressive ninja what so ever until he was taken under the wing of madara. Kakashi was already stated to be what they called talented at 6 years old before he meet minato so no credits there. Rin got kidnapped of her feet smh man you guys get the point horrible in the parts of being a teacher lmfao.

 

[Under the Rain]

Lol, I agree too. Minato as a teacher didn't do much, maybe off screen but we can't argue with that, even if konoha was lacking in the military force, it doesn't justify that they let kids lead missions when the first did all of what he did for the sake of that not happening. Putting kakashi the head of the a team when he is 14 with only chidori was as bad as putting shikamaru the leader in the sasuke retrieval arc.. Being smart isn't everything they need experience which kakashi lacked and he was the most to suffer, losing an eye, feeling guilty for the dead of a friend and killing one of them, but these decisions weren't minato's faults but my point is leaving the kids alone wasn't a good decision. So we could blame the time they were in which made all these things happen, but compared to what the other teachers did, minato did nothing special IMO for his students. We might get the reason he wasn't around when rin died in a flashback of kakashi.

Also, some people say that he will want revenge when he finds out about obito, but I can't see that happening firstly because it will be out of his character, secondly most of teachers like hiruzen, jiraya and kakashi, never had dark feeling toward their students even though they messed up their lives in most of the cases so I believe minato would feel guilty not angry if anything.. And finally seeking revenge won't help obito who is already in the dark so no I don't see that happening but anything could happen xD

 

[AirWind]

If u make a comparison between the failed sensei, you have to include hiruzen, kakashi and Tobirama as well, not all of their disciples becomes a gud guy or stays protagonist way. Sensei's function was partly to guide their protege, they couldn't be there for them 24-7.

 

[Sherlock.]

Wasn't it Minato who told Obito about Kakashi's dad.... And councelled Obito to be a bit more good towards Kakashi.... =D =D

 

[5pace time continuum]

yep Minato is a failure

He doesn't even have to kill himself or drag kushina to death when the 9 tails attack

he can just teleport it somewhere or gang it up w/ the help of the 3rd

he even realize that Tobi/Obito is a big threat yet he let him escape

and DAMN!

he didn't even realize that the masked is his 14 yr OLD STUDENT

minato = fails

Minato failed being a teacher, but did he fail being a hokage protecting konoha?

Kushina had the kyuubi extracted from her, she also concieved Naruto which lead to her being weakened. If she was at her full powerful and didn't had birth than she and Minato wouldn't get killed...

If you read the manga or watch the manga, he was multi-tasking and teleporting to many different places. He defeated Obito, he teleported back to the kyuubi, teleported it's TBB using space time barrier jutsu and also warped the Kurama far away from the village. It goes on.

Minato succeeded his part of being Hokage and his legacy is Naruto and Naruto is going to become the strongest shinobi ever lived.

 

[Takos]

If u make a comparison between the failed sensei, you have to include hiruzen, kakashi and Tobirama as well, not all of their disciples becomes a gud guy or stays protagonist way. Sensei's function was partly to guide their protege, they couldn't be there for them 24-7.

This thread is not about Obito becoming evil, it's about Minato not caring properly for his students.

 

[BazzBee]

He is a sensie and also had to do the job of an Hokage so i dissagree

 

[NarutoKage2]

True, but compare this.

-Kakashi and Rin were sent on a mission in which they fought a platoon of ANBU and jonin. At this time Minato just went on some other mission, supposedly.

-On the other hand, when Shikamaru's team was sent to retrieve Sasuke and Kakashi learned about it, he ignored orders he got from Tsunade and rushed to help them. It was a much less dangerous mission, yet he treated it very seriously.



Thanks for the reply, Bogard. I appreciate your opinion.
I know they've been lacking in military force, but as I said, this does not justify the fact Minato seems not to be interested in his students (or one remaning student, to be more exact) at all, even after being revived. Also, the Kakashi & Rin mission I've already mentioned and the fact that Minato, of all people, suspected Tobi to be Madara and not Obito.
I know he didn't have any bad intentions or anything, it's just that Minato doesn't seem to care about his students ever since the end of Kakashi Gaiden.




The fact Kakashi became a captain is a good argument, but it doesn't speak to me. Shikamaru in Sasuke retrieval arc was also appointed the leader, but Kakashi still rushed to help the team (even though most of it was not even his students) and ignored the orders to go on another mission.

Besides, after the incident with Obito, one could think Minato would be more careful and protective, yet Kakashi and Rin were sent alone on a mission in which they had to deal with 40 jonin & ANBU?

Omg are you dumb? How is that even comparable? Shikamaru was a genin, Kakashi was a jounin.

And you can't control everything that happens. That's like blaming Naruto for Nejji's death, or Tsunade for Jiraiya's.

Your thread is completely biased/useless. Minato was the one who told obito about the white fang, to help him understand his teammate better. That story helped change kakashi's whole personality around,so i would'nt call him an uncaring sensei. He just was'nt a loud, obnoxious emotional type like Naruto/Sakura or Jiraiya were.

 

[spike2068]

True, but compare this.

-Kakashi and Rin were sent on a mission in which they fought a platoon of ANBU and jonin. At this time Minato just went on some other mission, supposedly.

-On the other hand, when Shikamaru's team was sent to retrieve Sasuke and Kakashi learned about it, he ignored orders he got from Tsunade and rushed to help them. It was a much less dangerous mission, yet he treated it very seriously.



Thanks for the reply, Bogard. I appreciate your opinion.
I know they've been lacking in military force, but as I said, this does not justify the fact Minato seems not to be interested in his students (or one remaning student, to be more exact) at all, even after being revived. Also, the Kakashi & Rin mission I've already mentioned and the fact that Minato, of all people, suspected Tobi to be Madara and not Obito.
I know he didn't have any bad intentions or anything, it's just that Minato doesn't seem to care about his students ever since the end of Kakashi Gaiden.




The fact Kakashi became a captain is a good argument, but it doesn't speak to me. Shikamaru in Sasuke retrieval arc was also appointed the leader, but Kakashi still rushed to help the team (even though most of it was not even his students) and ignored the orders to go on another mission.

Besides, after the incident with Obito, one could think Minato would be more careful and protective, yet Kakashi and Rin were sent alone on a mission in which they had to deal with 40 jonin & ANBU?

Yeah but your forgetting one thing, minato did save kakshi and rin from the back up tha arrived right after obito died. He was coming back for them but he made it a little too late. And kakashi was knocked out for hours so maybe minato had time to grieve a bit then let it go to show strength for his living students. And why would he think the masked man was obito? Kakashi said he was dead and the masked man was able to use advanced techniques that obito could have never dreamed of learning. Minato clearly broke down why he thought the masked man was madara and his reasoning was completely sound. In other words I get what your saying but your points seem a bit unfounded and nitpicky

 

[spike2068]

Minato was a great ninja but truthly he sucked as a teacher, I stated this many times for one prime example when Orochimaru subordinates went against Orochimaru it was just a awful beat down.

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obito under his orders was not a impressive ninja what so ever until he was taken under the wing of madara. Kakashi was already stated to be what they called talented at 6 years old before he meet minato so no credits there. Rin got kidnapped of her feet smh man you guys get the point horrible in the parts of being a teacher lmfao.

lol your a ****ing troll!! of course obito flourished with madara he implanted him with hashi cells, plus obito had just unlocked his sharinggan right before he "died" which minato could have done a lot to help him grow with that new power. And you cant blame him for obitos lack of development and then take kakshis development away from him thats the mark of a fanboy

 

[Erikhog]

Soooo, not true.

 

[closecombat22]

minato sucks in any aspect

so dose your mom =D=D=D=D=D=D=D=D