Minato vs Ms Obito

[Tenasa Uchiha]

Minato mid diff he had ms wen he invaded konoha

 

[VongolaX]

A) maddy's statement was disproven by the sage
B)maddy never used rinne tech's without the rinne
C)obito's mastery over rinne=/=maddy's despite him learning the techs. He couldn't even use both eyes at the same time.

A) Madara's statement was supported by the sage.

How did Madara get Hashirama's chakra?

Through his DNA/bloodline/kekkai genkai

The sage also stated that he feared some uchiha's will do what Madara did, so he left the tablet.


B) Blind Madara absorbed Hashirama's chakra and used the black rods to immobilize Hashirama.


C) Obito couldn't use both eyes because he would lose control of himself.

Even the sage stated that Madara is losing control.

Obito stated that the rinnegan in that one eye was giving him too much power.

Obito control over the rinnegan may not be on Madara's level (obviously), doesn't mean he can't use the techniques.


You're still denying?

Old Madara used Gedo mazou and Inyouton

Orange swirl mask Obito used the Gedo statue to extract the
Killerbee.
Which happen to be a tentacle.

 

[VongolaX]

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The only difference between 14 yr old Obito and 30 yr old Obito is age. He had the same degree of control over Kamui that he does now, he had the same jutsu: Mokuton, Izanagi, Kamui. Yet he still got shitted on. Excuses like:

-"He's gotten faster"

-"He was inexperienced"

Are nothing but bullshit.


Minato shits on any form of MS Obito.

Yet a Obito didn't use mokuton

He didn't use inzanagi

And he didn't use all the other techniques Madara taught him.

30-31 "ms," Obito stomps minato

 

[KidGamer65]

He didn't use them because they weren't suited for the occasion. Simple as that.

Yet a Obito didn't use mokuton

At his level Mokuton is completely useless against Minato, who can teleport.

He didn't use inzanagi

10 more minutes wouldn't help him when he still can't touch Minato.

And he didn't use all the other techniques Madara taught him

Lol, you mean those techniques that are completely unknown? Yeah, Minato shitted on him then and he'll do it now. No reason why he wouldn't when Obito is literally no different.

 

[VongolaX]

He didn't use them because they weren't suited for the occasion. Simple as that.



At his level Mokuton is completely useless against Minato, who can teleport.

Wood cutter is a fodder mokuton? :|

That technique killed more than 20 anbus, and you crap out nonsense that it's fodder?

Nice retort....next!

10 more minutes wouldn't help him when he still can't touch Minato.

He can't touch Minato?

Little 15year old Obito touched Minatobin their last fight

A s/t user can't touch another s/t user?

Even when Minato stated that it was more advanced than his own?

Alright next scatterbrain senerio

Lol, you mean those techniques that are completely unknown? Yeah, Minato shitted on him then and he'll do it now. No reason why he wouldn't when Obito is literally no different.

Lol I mean the rikudou Justus Nagato has been using through the series.

Lol the uchiha kinjustus such as inzanami, uchiha flame wall formation, etc.

Lol the Inyouton known as inzanagi, omyoudon, and all the others shown by rikudou Obito used but on a smaller level.

Just look at what Obito did to Sasuke's Enton arrow

It's typical of you to be so narrow side, and ignorant to believe that Obito only has kamui, inzanagi, and Katon


Look at Obito last time, he had his arm dripping off after minato's rasengan.

He still wasn't fully healed from the cave.

Now compare it to Obito in the war, who took a full kcm rasengan to the same arm.

He just healed it up like it was nothing.

Look here kid gamer, you've been posting a lot of garbage since the very time we were genin/chuunin.

If you're going to be trolling around again, I'm not going to reply you.

Or take you seriously for that matter.

Also don't give me that theory crap about Obito is half zetsu goo, so he can't use mokuton.

If he was half zetsu, his arm would of turned to a tree from kcm naruto's rasengan like all the other white Zetsus.

 

[LustyLover]

and all 1,550 of your pathetic post is all about sasuke's d*ck so far down your throat.

Gtfo kid

lmfaoooooooooo

 

[KidGamer65]

Wood cutter is a fodder mokuton? :|

That technique killed more than 20 anbus, and you crap out nonsense that it's fodder?

Nice retort....next!

Never said it was fodder. Read before replying pal. Against Minato, its a useless technique as it will NEVER hit him.

He can't touch Madara?

Little 15year old Obito touched Minatobin their last fight

A s/t user can't touch another s/t user?

Even when Minato stated that it was more advanced than his own?

Alright next scatterbrain senerio

Lol, he needed to sneak up on Minato and exploit the fact that Minato had no idea what his jutsu was beforehand to grab him. After Minato learned what he could do, Obito failed to touch him and he only succeeded in getting his ass kicked.

Obito's S/T being more advanced than Minato's doesn't mean that Obito can touch Minato, when the manga clearly showed otherwise.

Lol I mean the rikudou Justus Nagato has been using through the series.

You need Rinnegan for those. When you have feats of Obito doing those without a Rinnegan then we can talk about this.

Lol the uchiha kinjustus such as inzanami, uchiha flame wall formation, etc.

Kaenjin is useless against a teleporter. Izanami is useless against Minato for obvious reasons.

Lol the Inyouton known as inzanagi, omyoudon, and all the others shown by rikudou Obito used but on a smaller level.

Izanagi only prolongs the inevitable, and Obito has shown no Onmyoton techniques bar the creation of the black rods, and he needed the Rinnegan to do that. In no way can he negate Ninjutsu if that is what you are trying to imply.

Just look at what Obito did to Sasuke's Enton arrow

That was Madara. Not Obito. Not to mention he needs Rinnegan to make the Black Rods.

It's typical of you to be so narrow side, and ignorant to believe that Obito only has kamui, inzanagi, and Katon

Doesn't matter what he had, he still lost. Half the stuff you are mentioning is either useless or not applicable to Obito.

Look at Obito last time, he had his arm dripping off after minato's rasengan.

He still wasn't fully healed from the cave.

Lol, assumption.

Now compare it to Obito in the war, who took a full kcm rasengan to the same arm.

He took the explosion of the Rasengan. Rasengan does damage by exploding and by being shoved into the opponent's body. Damage is caused by the explosion and the rotation of the Rasengan.

Look here kid gamer, you've been posting a lot of garbage since the very time we were genin/chuunin.

If you're going to be trolling around again, I'm not going to reply you.

Or take you seriously for that matter.

No one told you to reply. In fact I don't reply to you for the same reason. All you spout is fanboyish bullshit. Try wanking Obito elsewhere. Obito stomping Minato when he already lost in canon is nothing but a fanboy's wet dream.

Also don't give me that theory crap about Obito is half zetsu goo, so he can't use mokuton.

If he was half zetsu, his arm would of turned to a tree from kcm naruto's rasengan like all the other white Zetsus.

Not even sure what the hell you are talking about here.

 

[LustyLover]

No one told you to reply. In fact I don't reply to you for the same reason. All you spout is fanboyish bullshit. Try wanking Obito elsewhere. Obito stomping Minato when he already lost in canon is nothing but a fanboy's wet dream.

Shit just got real

 

[TRE MERCER]

If you are going to come at me don't come at me with garbage logic. Hebi Sasuke's chakra reserves, speed, strength, and overall Ninjutsu ability got a dramatic boost over the timeskip.

Did Obito get any noticeable boost? No, he didn't. He still relies on the same old Kamui and none of his jutsu have shown a dramatic boost in power.

Hebi Sasuke and Vote still relied on the same trick as well Raition followed by taijutsu and CM2. So you think Kid Obito reflexes and speed is the same as 30year old Obito? Also Obito did catch a BM clone and fought on par with Kakashi without using Kamui. L0l you agree that Juubi Madara is faster than Juubi Obito right? They both countered an Ftg from Minato with ease. So how did you come to this decision? Common sense common sense should also tell you Obito got faster from when he was 13.


Also do you think 13 year old Obito can fight on par with War arc Kakashi without using Kamui? Also Obito got pierced on purpose so don't bring up that in your argument.

 

[VongolaX]

Never said it was fodder. Read before replying pal. Against Minato, its a useless technique as it will NEVER hit him.



Lol, he needed to sneak up on Minato and exploit the fact that Minato had no idea what his jutsu was beforehand to grab him. After Minato learned what he could do, Obito failed to touch him and he only succeeded in getting his ass kicked.

Obito's S/T being more advanced than Minato's doesn't mean that Obito can touch Minato, when the manga clearly showed otherwise.

This is a versus battle, doesn't matter if he sneaks up on him

He can use hiding like a mole for all I care.

Clearly you didn't read...

Obito touched Minato.

Last time it was a head charge and minato bested him in counter attack

Just like how Kakashi beat Obito into kamuing naruto.

Minato told naruto that the mask man read all his moves and planned everything.

You need to take into consideration that Obito is manually controlling the kyuubi's movements against the leaf at the same time.

You need Rinnegan for those. When you have feats of Obito doing those without a Rinnegan then we can talk about this.

Yet he was able to use Gedo mazou to extract the 8 tails tentacle.

Even blind Madara used preta on Hashirama with the black rods.

Until you read chapter 606 page 15-16, then we can talk.

Until then manga>>>you, he has the techniques Madara wouldn't of taught him if he couldn't use it in the first place.

Kaenjin is useless against a teleporter. Izanami is useless against Minato for obvious reasons.

Horrible retort

It's all assumptions

Izanagi only prolongs the inevitable, and Obito has shown no Onmyoton techniques bar the creation of the black rods, and he needed the Rinnegan to do that. In no way can he negate Ninjutsu if that is what you are trying to imply.

Rinnegan doesn't give you omyoudon

Obito shown the black rods when he went on the rampage against the mist anbu

That was Madara. Not Obito. Not to mention he needs Rinnegan to make the Black Rods.

Again read above, even old Madara used the black rods

And Obito kumai'ed black stakes

Doesn't matter what he had, he still lost. Half the stuff you are mentioning is either useless or not applicable to Obito.

Read chapter 606 and you'll know that you're completely wrong

Half the stuff you mentioned has no counter and huge misunderstandings.

You're assuming, come up with a better excuse.

Lol, assumption.

Exactly what is being assumed?

He took the explosion of the Rasengan. Rasengan does damage by exploding and by being shoved into the opponent's body. Damage is caused by the explosion and the rotation of the Rasengan.

Wow, you're wrong... :|

The rasengan hit his shoulder just like minato did.

Lol you're assuming.. How ironic

No one told you to reply. In fact I don't reply to you for the same reason. All you spout is fanboyish bullshit. Try wanking Obito elsewhere. Obito stomping Minato when he already lost in canon is nothing but a fanboy's wet dream.

More horsesh*t coming out of you.

Always posting complete bullshit about how Obito loses to everybody.

Gtfo out of this thread, OP created this thread to prove me wrong with the response of logic members.

You are down right stupid, I know that much hasn't change.

Not even sure what the hell you are talking about here.

Of course you don't, you hardly know anything to do with Obito anyway.

 

[KidGamer65]

This is a versus battle, doesn't matter if he sneaks up on him

Lol, of course. Being as stupid as you are you didn't get the point. The point is that Obito couldn't touch Minato once Minato knew what was up. And with intel he'll know what is up now, so Obito will never touch him.

Last time it was a head charge and minato bested him in counter attack

Just like how Kakashi beat Obito into kamuing naruto.

Minato told naruto that the mask man read all his moves and planned everything.

You need to take into consideration that Obito is manually controlling the kyuubi's movements against the leaf at the same time.

None of this changes the fact that Minato defeated Obito in combat.

Yet he was able to use Gedo mazou to extract the 8 tails tentacle.

Irrelevant as its been stated that Gedo Mazo can be controlled via Senju and Uchiha DNA alone.

Even blind Madara used preta on Hashirama with the black rods.

That wasn't Preta Path. Go learn how it works before replying again. Preta Path doesn't form red bubbles when used nor does it allow Madara to keep and utilize the chakra he absorbs.

Until you read chapter 606 page 15-16, then we can talk.

There is nothing I need to read.

Until then manga>>>you, he has the techniques Madara wouldn't of taught him if he couldn't use it in the first place.

You have no idea what they are. You have only assumed that they are the jutsu Nagato uses. Until I get some feats, you can stfu about Obito's unknown moveset.

Rinnegan doesn't give you omyoudon

Never said it did. Doesn't change the fact that the only variant Obito has shown is the black receiver, which requires the Rinnegan.

Obito shown the black rods when he went on the rampage against the mist anbu

He didn't use those himself. Those were put there because Madara put them there.

Again read above, even old Madara used the black rods

Because they are a manifestation of his will. That isn't the case for Obito.

Read chapter 606 and you'll know that you're completely wrong

Half the stuff you mentioned has no counter and huge misunderstandings.

You're assuming, come up with a better excuse.

Get me the feats or don't reply. Not gonna bother going back and forth with your bullshit.

Wow, you're wrong...

The rasengan hit his shoulder just like minato did.

you're assuming.. How ironic

Lol, again, are you stupid? I've already explained how it does damage. Repeating the same shit doesn't help you here.

More horsesh*t coming out of you.

Always posting complete bullshit about how Obito loses to everybody.

Gtfo out of this thread, OP created this thread to prove me wrong with the response of logic members.

You are down right stupid, I know that much hasn't change.

Oh look, another Obito faptard crying about how I don't think his favorite character wins.


Minato shits on him like he did in canon.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lol, of course. Being as stupid as you are you didn't get the point. The point is that Obito couldn't touch Minato once Minato knew what was up. And with intel he'll know what is up now, so Obito will never touch him.




None of this changes the fact that Minato defeated Obito in combat.


Irrelevant as its been stated that Gedo Mazo can be controlled via Senju and Uchiha DNA alone.


That wasn't Preta Path. Go learn how it works before replying again. Preta Path doesn't form red bubbles when used nor does it allow Madara to keep and utilize the chakra he absorbs.


There is nothing I need to read.


You have no idea what they are. You have only assumed that they are the jutsu Nagato uses. Until I get some feats, you can stfu about Obito's unknown moveset.


Never said it did. Doesn't change the fact that the only variant Obito has shown is the black receiver, which requires the Rinnegan.



He didn't use those himself. Those were put there because Madara put them there.



Because they are a manifestation of his will. That isn't the case for Obito.




Get me the feats or don't reply. Not gonna bother going back and forth with your bullshit.



Lol, again, are you stupid? I've already explained how it does damage. Repeating the same shit doesn't help you here.




Oh look, another Obito faptard crying about how I don't think his favorite character wins.


Minato shits on him like he did in canon.

Where is my counter?

 

[Misconception]

Minato wins. Obito still has no way of hitting Minato. Most of his deadly Mokuton feats came from Spiral Zetsu i need scan suggesting he can do these by himself. Minato blitz like he did in canon.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hebi Sasuke and Vote still relied on the same trick as well Raition followed by taijutsu and CM2. So you think Kid Obito reflexes and speed is the same as 30year old Obito? Also Obito did catch a BM clone and fought on par with Kakashi without using Kamui. L0l you agree that Juubi Madara is faster than Juubi Obito right? They both countered an Ftg from Minato with ease. So how did you come to this decision? Common sense common sense should also tell you Obito got faster from when he was 13.

Doesn't matter. Hebi Sasuke's Raiton is far superior to VoTE Sasuke's, same with his Curse Mark. Stop with the terrible comparisons.

Obito doesn't physically look any different from when he fought Minato, nor are his showings any different. I have no reason to believe that his reactions have increased to the point where it would make a difference against Minato, such as making his reactions faster than Minato's. So again, moot point. Obito's change is completely moot if he is still slower.

Lol, he caught a BM clone that was standing still, lets not try and blow his feats out of proportion to satisfy your argument now. Fighting Kakashi in Taijutsu is irrelevant when Taijutsu is not a part of Minato and Obito's match. Its Kamui vs Hiraishin, and Obito's Kamui is no different, nor are his reactions superior to Minato's.


@bold: Lol @ the bold. Juubito is far faster than normal Obito, so them countering Hiraishin doesn't mean anything at all.

Also do you think 13 year old Obito can fight on par with War arc Kakashi without using Kamui? Also Obito got pierced on purpose so don't bring up that in your argument.

As explained above, that is completely irrelevant. What is different that allows Obito to beat Minato now? Answer that. Any other questions and comparisons are irrelevant. Yes, 30 yr old Obito is physically superior to 14 yr old Obito...does that change anything? No. Because he still relies on Kamui, which Minato already beat.

 

[VongolaX]

Lol, of course. Being as stupid as you are you didn't get the point. The point is that Obito couldn't touch Minato once Minato knew what was up. And with intel he'll know what is up now, so Obito will never touch him.

God you're are retarded

S/t is instant, that means every Kumai Obito uses is "sneaking up."

What a pathetic excuse, horrible debater.

Pinnacle of stupidity lies within in you :|

None of this changes the fact that Minato defeated Obito in combat.

Last time I checked Obito fought the village and Minato, while leaving Minato dead.

STFU

Irrelevant as its been stated that Gedo Mazo can be controlled via Senju and Uchiha DNA alone.

Madara stated that he can control the Gedo mazou, then further taught him uchiha kinjustu, Inyouton, and rikudou Justu.

He later told Obito to use his will (black rods) rikudou Justu, knowing full well that Nagato has the rinnegan.

Even old Madara created zetsu with Inyouton, used the black rod to create black zetsu, and controlled Gedo mazou to live.

That wasn't Preta Path. Go learn how it works before replying again. Preta Path doesn't form red bubbles when used nor does it allow Madara to keep and utilize the chakra he absorbs.

Go read the manga again, there is no cognitive use of preta.

Madara used all his rinnegan techniques differently than everybody else.

He never created a huge bubble like Nagato did.

Even in Edo tensei.

There is nothing I need to read.

That's why you don't know shit

You have no idea what they are. You have only assumed that they are the jutsu Nagato uses. Until I get some feats, you can stfu about Obito's unknown moveset.

Why don't you google rikudou Justus, only an illerate retard like yourself would be stubborn to accept facts.

Even Obito told Kabuto that he can use human path.

Obito absorbed Rikudou Madara, another technique that is rikudou.

So until you except chapter 606 and 666, just stfu

Never said it did. Doesn't change the fact that the only variant Obito has shown is the black receiver, which requires the Rinnegan.

Obito used Gedo mazou without the rinnegan (which is outer path) without the rinnegan.

Obito has shown the black rods without the rinnegan too, he kumai'ed f*cking black stakes.

^^No rinnegan involved

He didn't use those himself. Those were put there because Madara put them there.

Every person with the rinnegan had the black rod inserted into there body.

Hence why it is not a strictly a rinnegan technique, it's his will.

Because they are a manifestation of his will. That isn't the case for Obito.

Black rods are his will.

All of them that was shown is from Madara's will.

That's why he told Obito to use his will (black rod) made into a physical shape for the rikudou Justu

Using Hashirama's chakra (DNA) combined with Madara's chakra (black rods) can he used the technique.

Just like how Nagato got a bunch of corpse to use rikudou techniques.

Get me the feats or don't reply. Not gonna bother going back and forth with your bullshit.

You're full of bullshit

I gave you a whole chapter, in fact two chapters: 606, 666, and the other chapter called Madara is back.

Lol, again, are you stupid? I've already explained how it does damage. Repeating the same shit doesn't help you here.

Is this some rhetorical question?

I'm way smarter than you, you're a complete idiot.

All your responses are that "it won't work," and "an advance s/t user can't touch him."

Lol F*cking idiot, gtfo out of this thread it's not for you.

Oh look, another Obito faptard crying about how I don't think his favorite character wins.

Oh look, another butthurt jack@ss that doesn't know that minato is listed as one of my favorite character.

The same bullshit that you replied about me being an itachi fanboy...

Lol, get Obito's head out of your @ss you butthurt hater.

Minato shits on him like he did in canon.

Obito wins like he did canonically...

Killing him and living to see another day

 

[BenjerminGaye]

A) Madara's statement was supported by the sage.

How did Madara get Hashirama's chakra?

Through his DNA/bloodline/kekkai genkai

The sage also stated that he feared some uchiha's will do what Madara did, so he left the tablet.


B) Blind Madara absorbed Hashirama's chakra and used the black rods to immobilize Hashirama.


C) Obito couldn't use both eyes because he would lose control of himself.

Even the sage stated that Madara is losing control.

Obito stated that the rinnegan in that one eye was giving him too much power.

Obito control over the rinnegan may not be on Madara's level (obviously), doesn't mean he can't use the techniques.


You're still denying?

Old Madara used Gedo mazou and Inyouton

Orange swirl mask Obito used the Gedo statue to extract the
Killerbee.
Which happen to be a tentacle.

A)maddy said "the combination of uchiha and senju awakens rinnrgan" that isn't true. Two examples are obito and danzo. Neither awakened it despite having both.
The sage goes even further by saying only the a transmigrant that combines both can awaken the rinnegan since they are awakening harugomo(and by extension kaguya's) chakra. Obito isn't a transmigrant thus can't awaken it nor use it to its full potential

B)blind maddy used hashi's absortion technique not petra. As for the black rods. He made hashi kneel prior to losing the rinne as an edo but since they still contain their effects(restraining and blocking chakra) hashi couldn't move.

C) That's not what obito said. No he was in perfect control. He just got literally back stabbed.

 

[Minato namikaze123]

Minato owns this.,.!!!!
Quit making posts like this...

 

[VongolaX]

A)maddy said "the combination of uchiha and senju awakens rinnrgan" that isn't true. Two examples are obito and danzo. Neither awakened it despite having both.
The sage goes even further by saying only the a transmigrant that combines both can awaken the rinnegan since they are awakening harugomo(and by extension kaguya's) chakra. Obito isn't a transmigrant thus can't awaken it nor use it to its full potential

B)blind maddy used hashi's absortion technique not petra. As for the black rods. He made hashi kneel prior to losing the rinne as an edo but since they still contain their effects(restraining and blocking chakra) hashi couldn't move.

C) That's not what obito said. No he was in perfect control. He just got literally back stabbed.

A) By combining he meant Uchiha and senju kekkai genkai.

Danzo does not have uchiha kekkai genkai.

Only Obito and Madara have shown to have it.

Also, not all reincarnations are uchiha and senju.

The sage said he left the tablet for any uchiha who tries Madara's methods.

Obito didn't have the double ms, so he couldn't awaken the rinnegan.

Danzo can't control Hashirama's cells and lack the uchiha kekkai genkai.

B) you realize the absorption technique is the same as the one he was using in Edo tensei?

It may of not have the text bubble preta (both Edo tensei and alive), it's still a rikudou tech.
It's definetly preta.
The whole black rod thing you're assuming is actually what the black rods are suppose to do.
Control/immobilize

Madara used the black rods without the rinnegan.

He even used it to create black zetsu, and emerge from the navel of the Hashirama clone without the rinnegan.

Obito kumai'ed huge black stakes/rods

C) Obito said he couldn't transplant two eyes because he would lose himself.

The sage told Naruto that Madara has already lost himself.

Side note: Obito has Hashirama's chakra via cells and Obito has Madara's via black rods inside his body.

Obito has the sage'd chakra if both Indra/Ashura's chakra combined creates the sage's chakra.

Obito already told konan that he has the sage's chakra/power

 

[VongolaX]

Minato wins. Obito still has no way of hitting Minato. Most of his deadly Mokuton feats came from Spiral Zetsu i need scan suggesting he can do these by himself. Minato blitz like he did in canon.

Spiral zetsu and Madara stated Obito used the mokuton by himself.

Also Obito was fast enough to use mokuton on bm naruto

 

[Draphsin]

Lol I like this thread, variaboss may suade me.