Tazzilla88
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Sorry about skipping your post before was in a bit of a rush to get to class.
Mei's mist won't be as effective as it was in a room granted, however, it would still be as effective as the mist she used against Zabuza. When the idea of silent killing is proposed say from Zabuza you never really hear the argument. " Eventually his mist will go away" Why? Because yes it's a given that eventually it will go away. And Yes eventually her Acid Mist will disperse in the same way all hidden mist jutsus would eventually disperse. And she could just use the jutsu again. But the point remains that while it is up and her hidden mist jutsu was up for the remainder of the chapter, Minato couldn't afford to get in close.
Let's say the acid mist will behave like Naruto's rasengan. Because Rasengan works as a spiral what will happen is that Minato will create a wall of acid mist around him. A Wall he would still need to fight a way to escape. I would also remind you that unlike mist fire has no mass or weight to it. So how fire behaves is not necessarily the same way something with mass and weight would behave.
I would also say that you can't say Minato's rasengan is greater than Naruto's. I mean if you look at the damage comparatively to when Naruto "mastered" the technique and when Minato hit Obito, you will find comparable raw power.
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Also check the restrictions again Minato only has access to Gamabunta. And in mid-air Gamabunta is a huge target with no way to avoid a barrage of assaults from Mei.
I'm not saying Minato isn't a sensor. What I'm saying is that we are not sure how acute his sensing abilities are. To say Minato isn't a sensor would be incorrect. This I know full well and I acknowledge in the OP. But we do not have what is spoken about in Epistemology as a Justified True Belief. There simply isn't enough information to say that Minato will pinpoint her location. And even if he could that doesn't especially defeat the argument I had posed because I continued on in one of my replies that even if he was able to sense her he still does need to deal with the mist. To get to her, he needs to deal with the mist while avoiding any additional attacks from her. And because the ground is composed of sand avoiding her would be more difficult without him being able to mark the sand.1- The people sensing Kyubi's chakra as you say aren't actually sensing it like i've said earlier. It's just that because the chakra is too strong, it resonate within their body. They can only notice the chakra in question because it resonate/hurt their body, but they are incapable to know where the chakra come from simply because they aren't sensors, and usually they are only capable to sense it when they are around the chakra in question, not thousand kilometers in a room like Minato and co were
2- The reason why he couldn't recognise his own student is quite easy to understand. One half of Obito is composed of Hashirama's cell, which means that his chakra pattern drastically changed since then. Furthermore, we already know that Zetsu is capable to appropriate the chakra pattern of everyone of his desire(when he at least touched the person once, that's it). With this method, he can even fool skilled sensors like we've seen during this war, and we know Obito was always covered by Spiral Zetsu. It's highly plausible that in order to make the Obito = Madara thing more plausible, Madara decided to ask Zetsus to copy his chakra pattern in order to cover Obito's filiature even more.
3- The reason why i believe Minato is a sensor is that both Tobirama and Minato used the exact same finger sensing jutsu sensing 20opponents. Both Tobirama and Minato were the only one actually sensing people in that room. You can't go away those hints Kishi give us. It's to show that both Tobirama and Minato use the same sensing techniques
4- Even if i were to suppose he is not, he still has demonstrated finger sensing jutsu. With this he is capable to localise Mei's position, since he was able to pinpoint 20people around him. He didn't see them, he didn't hear them, he didn't touch them, he didn't taste them, he didn't speak with them, which means he ressorted to something outside the 5senses, which is a sensing ability for me
Edit: I'm preparing to reply the second part of your post
I will grant you two, after I made that argument I realized as I sat in Arabic (because you know philosophy majors tend to be more interested in the current debates they have going on than they have for reviewing material) that his chakra would have been a combination Zetsu's and Obito's chakra thus it would be much harder for Minato to recognize his chakra. However, Naruto's chakra has also underwent a lot of change especially in the form that he's currently fighting in. And his chakra is not only blended with the nine tails chakra to create KM, KM which is an combination of Naruto's chakra and Kurama's chakra is also mixed with the chakras of everyone the cloak is protecting. Which seems to be an inconsistency of sorts. With the Zetsu's chakra disguised Obito's chakra. Which is not your fault so much as Kishi probably never intended this discussion to occur.
I still wouldn't argue he isn't a sensor just a question of how acutely he can sense. Though an interesting question is not posed. What exactly does it mean to sense? Because you don't really consider Kakashi, Hiruzen, Sakura or a host of others who have noticed kurama's chakra to be sensors. I think that's a question that really needs to be had if we want to declare people sensors and others not.
I actually simply reject most of the premises you try to use.
So Mei must be able to lower the ph if she can raise it. Why can we know that? If the ph begins to raise all she would need to do is dilute the higher ph soloution with more mist of a lower ph and it will as a net lower the ph. But in terms of how else we can know she must logically be able to raise the ph. There is no acid in the body capable of burning Sasuke in that body which logically would mean she had use chakra to lower the ph of the water she was emitting. It's simply a logical step that she must be able lower the ph. And she must be able to raise the ph. But she would for no conceivable reason raise the ph in this fight.
I've covered the first part of your argument as to why Minato the Zetsu-Obito thing when I responded to Bogard. But you do raise a new interesting point. It feels colder/ darker when they go further into Hatred. But according to Obito what he was feeling was Apathy. Which I will note is completely different from Hatred. But in order to fully analyze that idea you brought I have to reflect more upon it.
Juugo? Juugo broke nothing at all. It was Sasuke. But you're right on one point. She actually stopped it because she didn't want to hurt her allys. But, i still believe the acid mist is not as effective in the nature. Eventhough it's true Sasuke broke the wall in question, they were still in an enclosed area at the kage summit, so of course, in this case, the acid has nowhere to spread, fly and evaporate. They are all in a same room, where the acid in question is condensated, reason why it would hurt her allys.
In the nature, like i've said, there is no walls around them, so it will spread, fly and evaporate really fast. It's true though that she can use the mist(what i never said she couldn't), but it won't be as effective as it would be in an enclosed area.
There is also the question "how much time it will actually take to burn Minato". The time it takes, i don't see what stops Minato from throwing kunais everyone, blitz and finish her with a rasengan, the time it takes i don't see what stops Minato from summoning Gamabunta and proceed to finish her with his large suitons or in close combat. Acid dissolves itself really quickly in contact with water. Mei has actually nothing effective enough to hurt Gamabunta who can even destroy forests. He is too large that the area where her mist could be effective would be too much minimal
I never said she couldn't make acid. I'm saying it won't be as effective in the nature. Acid evaporate really fast outside an enclosed area. Take alcohol for example and you'll see
The yellow paper thing is not present in the viz. So it seems not to be the case at all. Furthermore, like i've already said, what is important is not the kunai, but the marking on it, which are made of Minato's chakra. They can't go out just like that
I must admit i didn't read it all, but i did read part of OP before posting. I'll be more careful next time
In latest chapters. He teleported Hiruzen and himself on top of their respective face on Hokage mountain without preparing seals at all
No it was Hiraishin. I also thought they jumped just like you, and even created a thread about it, but viz proved me wrong when they said "Flying thunder god" before jumping. I'll edit to show you
So you've made a few claims about Acid that seem to be incorrect. Acid dissolves into water in proportion to the water to acid ratio. With most waters being neither basic nor acidic because it's usually a neutral 7. However, if water were held inside your body it's ph should be slightly lower as your body contains many acids not limited to stomach acid but things such as saliva as well. But that's not really relevant. Any order for the Suiton Gamabunta uses to have a real effect on the mist he would have to turn it into an aerosol the only way to really do that is to make it hit something and even then the majority of the water will not become an aerosol it will be on the surface it hit. What he would want to do if he were trying to raise the ph is get his water to linger in the air but he hasn't shown that much skill with his suiton. Which is why I don't think his particular brand of suiton is that effective against the acid mist and Mei need only make more mist to replace what may have been lost with the water bullet barreled through the mist.
And while the mist is her greatest weapon in her arsenal against him. I believe you've forgotten that Yoton also serves as a counter to Kunai. And that he would also have a limited number of kunai.
And while Bunta is quite large he still isn't quite durable as Susanoo or to Manda or Katsuyu. It seems as though a valid question as to whether a few Water Dragon Bullets would take him out. Given the size of it and its ability to just toss around Susanoo when the raikage punching the same form of Susanoo or even Sasuke form of Susanoo didn't make it fly quite as much.
The places where I've highlighted Viz if possible I would like to see the Viz scans if possible so we can be on the same page. But regardless, we can still see the seals are on paper. And you must at least wonder where the other translators could've gotten yellow paper from if there was no mention. While I would love to be able to read Japanese in order to read the page as it originally was I can't. The problems of translations.
It's fine. I was just kind of frustrated.
Once again if I could see that page it would be awesome.