[VS] Minato vs Kakuzu

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Nice thread =D

I would agree, if it weren't for one thing that I think would create a problem for Kakuzu, which is Minato's markings. Kakuzu has been shown to start out his match in close combat, where Minato would normally use a Rasengan, which, as you noted, could be countered with the Doton Domu. However, this creates a problem for Kakuzu, as this would mean that he'd be giving Minato an opening, which he would probably use to mark him, as he's been seen do against guys like Killer Bee and Obito, without them even noticing. If Minato gets a mark on him, Kakuzu wouldn't be able to counter it, since he wouldn't even know how it works. He wouldn't be expecting an attack out of the blue from Minato, which, IMO, would be his downfall in this match up.
 
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Minato can seal Kakuzu so his defences don't mean anything. If he gets tagged he's dead.
Sorry to be confused again, but what sealing tech does Minato have that can permanently capture Kakuzu. As far as I'm aware, the only sealing technique he could use was the Reaper Death seal....and I mean while yes that would be a game over (unless Kakuzu spreads himself amongst the Masks...but I'm assuming it is not), but would also mean that Minato loses which I find not exactly a win.

Summoning contracts allow you to summon any toad under the contract.
Does that mean that Ma had to specifically sign the contract with Minato, or that the contract with the Frogs allows Minato to summon any frog from the mountain?!
 

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Nice thread =D

I would agree, if it weren't for one thing that I think would create a problem for Kakuzu, which is Minato's markings. Kakuzu has been shown to start out his match in close combat, where Minato would normally use a Rasengan, which, as you noted, could be countered with the Doton Domu. However, this creates a problem for Kakuzu, as this would mean that he'd be giving Minato an opening, which he would probably use to mark him, as he's been seen do against guys like Killer Bee and Obito, without them even noticing. If Minato gets a mark on him, Kakuzu wouldn't be able to counter it, since he wouldn't even know how it works. He wouldn't be expecting an attack out of the blue from Minato, which, IMO, would be his downfall in this match up.
True wich is why i believe kakuzu only takes this with intel.so he starts in long range mode....
however Minato would not expect kakuzu reviving after Killing him once either which could enable kakuzu to enter long range mode ( no knowing close combat is the worst idea) hmm although he would still be marked wouldnt he ? .. Although Kakuzu could detach the part of his body with the marking which is evident he can do and
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once in long range mode the advantage is with kakuzu .. i just hope minato would not seal kakuzu's head ..
 

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He has 5 toads to look out for and Minato's base speed is way above his. Not to mention FTG and his lack of intel on it.
Minato has four flying hearts to look out for. And Kakuzu himself can fly by standing on one of his masks. Minato's base speed isn't way faster than Kakuzu's.
 

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Sorry to be confused again, but what sealing tech does Minato have that can permanently capture Kakuzu. As far as I'm aware, the only sealing technique he could use was the Reaper Death seal....and I mean while yes that would be a game over (unless Kakuzu spreads himself amongst the Masks...but I'm assuming it is not), but would also mean that Minato loses which I find not exactly a win.



Does that mean that Ma had to specifically sign the contract with Minato, or that the contract with the Frogs allows Minato to summon any frog from the mountain?!
A contact with Bunta lets you summon any toad from the Mountain.
 
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A contact with Bunta lets you summon any toad from the Mountain.
LOL Just remembered that Jiraiya summoned Gammabunta and the epic toad with the Kasa!

Anyways, there is always a chance that a summon like Ma can be killed before she completes her job....and Kakuzu's mobility for the most part should be enough to evade the attacks of the larger Summons.

And then the four masks would offer a good amount of firepower against them. Even if they are gigantic, as a living creature, the immense fire and wind attacks would still hurt. And Raiton: Gian also hurt as it would induce electrocution. It may have even been a piercing attack by the shape the Jutsu seemed to take before Kakashi stepped in.

Thanks for the info!

Nice thread =D

I would agree, if it weren't for one thing that I think would create a problem for Kakuzu, which is Minato's markings. Kakuzu has been shown to start out his match in close combat, where Minato would normally use a Rasengan, which, as you noted, could be countered with the Doton Domu. However, this creates a problem for Kakuzu, as this would mean that he'd be giving Minato an opening, which he would probably use to mark him, as he's been seen do against guys like Killer Bee and Obito, without them even noticing. If Minato gets a mark on him, Kakuzu wouldn't be able to counter it, since he wouldn't even know how it works. He wouldn't be expecting an attack out of the blue from Minato, which, IMO, would be his downfall in this match up.
Thanks for the compliment! And like I said, the point of this thread is more along the lines of Kakuzu having the capabilities to defeat Minato as opposed to Kakuzu beats Minato every time!

But yes the tags could be pretty deadly! At the same time, naturally Minato has to be careful as CQB is Kakuzu's forte! If he were to miss the tag placement or Kakuzu blocked his hand it could be game over.
 

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Kakuzu beat Minato? Say whaattt?
Minato is called the Yellow Flash , doesn't that say enough.
Don't compare Minato to Kakuzu please thank-you.
 

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Kakuzu beat Minato? Say whaattt?
Minato is called the Yellow Flash , doesn't that say enough.
Don't compare Minato to Kakuzu please thank-you.
Please read the thread before commenting :/.

Kakuzu survived a fight against the monstrosity known as Hashirama....he is also part of the Immortal Duo...so I mean if we are going by a Title war I'd say immortality beats a flash ^.^

But in all seriousness. Kakuzu was a monster with the experience to deal with Minato......and he can't be the Yellow Flash if he doesn't have any Kunai to teleport to/ can't mark Kakuzu. Also, I said in the very start this doesn't mean that Kakuzu just roflstomps Minato 90% of the time....I said that Kakuzu has fair and relavent counters that could lead to a victory against Minato.

I can respect that you don't think so, but please make a valid argument in order to further enlighten the debate!
 

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too less is known about Minato to debate this. Honestly Minato is too clever to get hit by Kakuzu and die. Minato is the man who was able to save the village while protecting naruto from dying. He was known to fight many ninja at once..also Tobi could not get him with his kamui because of his reflexes. Once he marks kakuzu he can hit him whenever from where ever. How is kakuzu going to avoid getting hit once marked? How is kakuzu gonna hit Minato?
 
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I never would have dreamed of kakuzu beating Minato before this thread, but your reasoning is very sound and hard to refute (no matter how much I want to). Great job.
 
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too less is known about Minato to debate this. Honestly Minato is too clever to get hit by Kakuzu and die. Minato is the man who was able to save the village while protecting naruto from dying. He was known to fight many ninja at once..also Tobi could not get him with his kamui because of his reflexes. Once he marks kakuzu he can hit him whenever from where ever. How is kakuzu going to avoid getting hit once marked? How is kakuzu gonna hit Minato?
Solid point!

However, I think this can go both ways. If Minato's Kunai are destroyed or at least scattered away from Kakuzu, then Minato has to enter close quarters in order to make an attack attmept. As such, he is playing on Kakuzu's turf. However, like you said, I doubt Minato is THAT stupid ^.^ So this leaves Kakuzu to spam long range attacks.

Kakuzu also has very sharp reflexes and speed as seen when he retrieved Hidan's head and pimp slapped Asuma. So I would say that while yes it would be bad for him if Minato marks him...at the same time, it would be EXTREMELY hard for Minato to do so taking into account Kakuzu's masks and the Immortal Duo member's own natural speed/reflexes.

And even if Minato marks him, the Earth Style: Earth Spear technique gives Kakuzu a defensive boost to prevent him from being hit.

As a result...this fight may even just turn into a battle of who lasts longer...and due to Minato having to constantly dodge the Masks and possible have to Space Barrier them away (like the Wind-Fire fusion mask)...he may run out of stamina before Kakuzu.

And of course as you have said once more, we know very little about Minato overall....and as such I was basing this on what we do know about him.....but I mean the minute Minato is a Raiton user...HAHAHAHA well this fight is basically over!

I never would have dreamed of kakuzu beating Minato before this thread, but your reasoning is very sound and hard to refute (no matter how much I want to). Great job.
Lol thanks! And hey you have every right to debate me! There are deffinatly points to be made! I mean the ability for Kakuzu or Minato to hit one another is a very solid point that needs to be discussed!
 

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you know I have always wondered couldnt minato just mark the ground or the trees or rocks or whatever the same way he marks people without using kunai? I always figured he used kunai for the versatile tactical advantage since he could throw them anywhere. So lets say that the battle begins and kakuzu is in his long range mode, kakuzus speed would then be greatly decreased and minato could use the terrain to his advantage, he could run around using a mixture of his base speed kunais and hand tags on different objects in order to dodge the constant spamming of kakuzu and work his way into kakuzu so he could eventually tag his body. Each time he teleports he uses a short burst of naturla speed to replace a couple of the tags that are destroyed each time kakuzu launches an attack. I think this along with using distractions (such as the toad family) would be a very effective way for minato to counter kakuzu and in the end i say minato wins mid-high dif
 

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Solid point!

However, I think this can go both ways. If Minato's Kunai are destroyed or at least scattered away from Kakuzu, then Minato has to enter close quarters in order to make an attack attmept. As such, he is playing on Kakuzu's turf. However, like you said, I doubt Minato is THAT stupid ^.^ So this leaves Kakuzu to spam long range attacks.

Kakuzu also has very sharp reflexes and speed as seen when he retrieved Hidan's head and pimp slapped Asuma. So I would say that while yes it would be bad for him if Minato marks him...at the same time, it would be EXTREMELY hard for Minato to do so taking into account Kakuzu's masks and the Immortal Duo member's own natural speed/reflexes.

And even if Minato marks him, the Earth Style: Earth Spear technique gives Kakuzu a defensive boost to prevent him from being hit.

As a result...this fight may even just turn into a battle of who lasts longer...and due to Minato having to constantly dodge the Masks and possible have to Space Barrier them away (like the Wind-Fire fusion mask)...he may run out of stamina before Kakuzu.

And of course as you have said once more, we know very little about Minato overall....and as such I was basing this on what we do know about him.....but I mean the minute Minato is a Raiton user...HAHAHAHA well this fight is basically over!

Well u can't compare Minatos speed with kakuzu I know kakuzu is fast but go look at the manga when tobi took naruto and threw him in mid air about

to stab him. Minato was able to catch him and save him instantly. I think this was base speed. Also with Minatos intelligence he shouldn't have a problem marking kakuzu, also without knowledge of ftg kakuzu won't know minato is comin out of that kunai and won't be abl to react fast enough it. Instantly the mach would be over and btw Minato is extremely fast even without ftg as we saw when he saved naruto under a second while he was falling



Lol thanks! And hey you have every right to debate me! There are deffinatly points to be made! I mean the ability for Kakuzu or Minato to hit one another is a very solid point that needs to be discussed!
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So on the suggestion of some friends on the Base, I decided to make a thread showing that Kakuzu has the means to defeat Minato. Now, does this mean that Kakuzu wins all of the time....NO. Does it mean that Kakuzu wins 99% of the time....NO. It is nearly impossible to determine who would win a certain ammount of battles due to the fact that battle situations can constantly change within various battle scenarios.

So without further ado, here are some basic counters to Minato's basic techniques.




Flying Thunder God

1) Doton: Domu. With Earth Spear, Kakuzu's body is turned into a diamond hard substence. As a result nothing can truly break through it unless it happens to be a Raiton styled attack. As a result, a typical Kunai slash is ineffective against such an affront.

2) Earth Grudge Tendrils. The Tendrils that make up Kakuzu's body gives him two manners in which he can plausibly counter the slash and speed of the Flying Thunder God. First, his unique body sturcture allows for sword wounds to be made...as a rag-doll body, Kakuzu can simply stitch himself up again. An example of this would be seen when Izumo and Kotetsu slashed Kakuzu during the war arc. Instead of turning partially paper like most normal Edo bodies due...Kakuzu simply had some of his tendrils expose themeselves. Secondly (however less likely) is the idea of an attack. These black threads have been shown to have piercing strength stronge enough to pierce the bodies of both Kakashi and Naruto. As such, it is plausible that he could simply fire off his tendrils in all directions.

3) Destruction of Kunai. Kakuzu has two techniques that cause MASSIVE AoE attacks, that would be great for either moving and/or destroying FTG Kunai!

i) Wind Style: Pressure Damage

The huge area and blast of wind is powerful enough to blow away the Kunai...thus blowing away the mobility of Minato's FTG and probalby destroying some of the Kunai.

ii) Fire Style: Zukkaku

A gigantic fire blast, like Zukakku, is capable of obliterating the Kunai or at least throwing them back creating a safe Zone for Kakuzu

Rasengan

Rasengan is the signature attack Minato has used in conjunction with the Flying Thunder God. As I have mentioned above, the Flying Thunder God has multiple ways to be countered using Kakuzu's inventory of moves. So now, instead of restating everything from above, I shall simply make notes of how Kakuzu can counter the Rasengan as the attack in and of itself.

Firstly, the Rasengan is a physical attack simply composed of spiraling chakra. As such, it is a blunt attack as opposed to a Piercing attack. This means that it has to physically dominate the target of the Jutsu. The problem for Minato comes from Doton: Domu. This justu, as I have said before, gives Kakuzu daimond armoured skin. For example Kakuzu was able to tank an explosive tag . A second example is that he tanked Choji's Spiked Human Tank jutsu with no apparant damage

The significance of this is that Diamond is the hardest substence on the planet. As such, nothing other than Diamond can even scratch this stone, and in conclusion, nothing can truly penetrate Doton: Domu unless it is a lightning affinity attack. As a result, the blunt attack of the Rasengan does not affect the Earth Spear.

Minato would have needed a lightning affinity or to have perfected an elemental manipulation to the Rasengan to break past Kakuzu's Doton: Domu.

Space Time Barrier

Firstly this jutsu requires Minato to hold a FTG Kunai. As such, any of the ones that are blown away via Kakuzu's AoE jutsu are basically thrown away from the battle. After that, Minato had to stand still in order to absorb the attack . As such, he's vulnerable to the the attacks from the other surrounding masks as well as from Kakuzu via Taijutsu. The other problem is that his redirection of his attacks have to be where his FTG Kunai are. This means that if Kakuzu has destroyed/ taken away the Kunai from his position, he cannot use this offensively, and only to save himself.

Frog Summon: Gammabunta

The Frog Summon is not as great of a threat as one would origionally think. For starters, Gammabunta's elemental attacks have only been him spewing oil with Jiraiya's Katon. Since Minato has not notable Element, he cannot use this attack. On Kakuzu's side, he is capable of launching his AoE jutsu as very painful attacks for a large target. In addition, Kakuzu can amplify his standard attacks by fusing his masks. The combination of the fire and wind masks created a large scale attack such as the one he used on Kakashi

In addition, the masks have a fair ammount of agility as they were able to dodge Choji's large sized attack in order to jump back into Kakuzu (*Note: Follow the Footnote for two pages*) . This gives them an advantage in mobility against Gammabunta as he himself was unable to hit Pain during his dodging (*Note: Follow the Footnote for one more page than the one it initially shows)

As a result, I would say that the Masks can dodge as well as attack/defeat the Frog Summon.

A Counter Argument

In discussion with other members on the base on this matter, I was informed that some people would argue, "What if Minato uses 10 Rasengans?" Well my response is how can he use 10 Rasengans at one time?! Minato Namikaze only has two hands. As such, a maximum number of Rasengans he can use are 2....also, if he uses clones, he'd have to attack using at least 5 clones (assuming each use 2 rasengans). However, this brings up another problem. Minato can no longer throw a FTG Kunai against the opponent meaning he has to have a marker placed before hand. Aside from the placement matter, there is the issue of physical occupation of space....being a fully grown man, Minato takes up a fair ammount of space....to have five of him space out and all hit him at one time.

Conclusion

Kakuzu's advantage over Minato (and the primary reason he has a chance to be victorious in combat) is because of his Doton: Domu technique. Because Minato has not shown a single attack that has the elemental advantage (AKA: Raiton) nor has he shown any attacks with high piercing attacks, this technique should hold out. His wide area effect jutsu not only destroy his FTG Kunai, but they also scatter them to the peremiter of a combat arena. This means that the area directly around Kakuzu is void of FTG Kunai. Because of this, he is able to remain relatively clear of Minato's FTG Ambushes.

In addition, Kakuzu has more combat experience and to back that up he has one of the highest levels of endurance/stamina to be shown in the series.

Thank you for your time!
Really???
I agree Kakuzu have chances but if Minato summons all the toads Kakuzu's scr**ed, I've seen Kakashi surviving/doging Kakuzu large scale elemental attacks. Gamabunta can jump freaking high and he also has water release techs as shown in fight Naruto vs Gaara, not only oil combined with fire. Ma and Pa's genjutsu doesn't count anymore??? Speed doesn't count anymore? Sealing jutsu doesn't count anymore???
Space time barrier, great defense with Minato speed defends him from large scale attacks, he doesn't need any other Kunai than the one in his hand to perform it, the location he may choose freely as shown in the manga when he was wondering where to send Kyuubi's TBB, also I'm pretty sure TBB is faster than Kakuzu's elemental attacks.
Kakuzu doesn't have enough power to hold his ground against three giant toads, Ma and Pa and Minato. Since you assume and state it's plausible for Kakuzu to shoot out all his tendrils in all directions, I will assume and say it's plausible that Minato's contract seal would deprive Kakuzu of the control over his masks/hearts. It's as much plausible, we haven't seen any of them doing any of those...
Kakuzu has chances, but if he's caught in frog's genjutsu he's as good as dead
 

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Elemental attacks take care of the frogs. They're too big of a target and I doubt Minato would sacrifice his frogs like that.
Gamabunta is able to survive Shukaku's elemental attack, wind realease which is on larger scale and more powerful i'd assume... And there are at least three giant frogs to deal with, they wouldn't stand in one place. Kakuzu's elemental release wouldn't be enough to take care of toads...
 

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Really guys,
Minato's like the fastest character in the manga, arguably. He'd blitz Kakuzu before he could do anything. Don't downgrade Minato's intelligence and feats, he's shown in manga as great tactician, extremely fast and dangerous. He handled Obito and later Kyuubi, how can Kakuzu possibly go against that??? I know it's ABC logic but it's saying rubbish. Kakuzu has chances, but he doesn't stomp, he most likely wouldn't win anyway....
 

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The thing is that without knowledge of ftg kakuzu won't know when Minato is gonna come out from kunai. Even S rank ninja t Mintos time who knew what Minato is capabl of were told to flee on site. The reason for this is simple. Kakuzu won't be able to react fast as th speed of light. On top of this kakuzu doesn't know much about minato. Unless u can prove kakuzu has instant reflexes like killer beee.. kakuzu still gets marked by surprise.
 

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Even if Minato can summon Ma and Pa, it requires him to have his hands closed and requires a lot of time to summon them. In fact, it would probably take even longer than Jiraiya did.
 
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