Minato Vs Itachi

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Lol , you say he wasn't surprised yet he was cut off in the middle of in his sentence and contrary to what you said on the last page, HAS a "?" meaning he didn't know what happen, he just got slabbed... after realizing, he changed his topic completely and started saying that a stab won't do him anything.... There is a question mark uzmaki, and in the manga question marks and exclamation marks go hand in hand with surprise.


As for the shield, first bogard argues its sussano now you're arguing its yata's flames?
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Average size of yata... Yata is made of a LIQUID material, and it is that spiritual material that protects sussanno.. Yata can't be blown away, it wasn't blown away since it is stated to reflect attacks and zetsu CONFIRMED it was reflecting the attacks.. the liquid extended beyond sussanno, and covered its sides as it should be,...





I'm aware of that ability and I consider it a tracking ability, not true censorship like what Tobirama and Karin does.. that, he has never done before in this manga




Once again.. why in the world would there be a databook entry for totsuka's attack speed? totsuka is a sword.. swords have no attack speed.... sussano is the thing with the speed, and sussano has shown it is capable of wielding weapons to great effect.. whether it be its massive strength causing arrows to propel and speeds faster than men can make handseals, or its massive strength swinging a sword, its against all forms of logic to postulate that Susanno is slow



Hello, do I have to remind you that multiple Susanoo's couldn't stab A before a Golem could save him? Onoki could make a golem before Yasaka thrown by Madara's Susanoo could hit? Danzo dodging a Susanoo punch. If its Susanoo speed you're going for, Susanoo is not very fast. Danzo could dodge it. I'm not saying its slow. If it attacks some normal mid-level ninja with punches blades and the like then they'd die(look at Madara vs fodders) but Bunta is skilled in physical combat so the toad won't be caught easily. And normal, skilled mobile people can dodge it.


Why would you post a big colored picture of Yata looking like a flame then call it a liquid? Is that how water looks like? It merely lends more credibility to what I said. More proof of it is that Sasuke's attack was smaller than the Yata(look at that small blast), why would it need to extend and increase in size to block something it's normal size is larger than? It simply didn't, The aura was superimposed with Susanoo's body. Did you not examine the body of Susanoo and see the flame-like traces I was talking about? You're discarding logic for the purpose of furthering your agenda. I'm disappointed. Truly. *shakes head*

Now as for the whole Oro blitzing. If Susanoo was super fast, the databook would have mentioned it since it isn't just a weapon but it pops out of a gourd. Nothing of that sort was said. Moreover, I've been looking through the manga chapters and I can't find a single blitz that involved only a question mark. Its either ! Or its !! Or its !!! or its



If you can find one then fine. I might accept. But merely saying Itachi's Susanoo performed a blitz no other character or entity has ever performed is unacceptable. Almost as disappointing as telling me that Yata looks like a liquid when it more resembles and a flame. And in manga, its what we see that we can analyze.


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It is not a manga fact Minato can summon Ma and Pa. They rarely get summoned, so you can infer Jiraiya is the only one who summons them. The only frog that Minato can summon at this point is Gamabunta.
Well, that's bull.

That is -NOT- how summoning works. Sasuke and Kabuto could summon Manda, despite neither of them actually being a friend of Manda. As long as you have a contract you can summon anyone on it.

was surprised when the sword stabbed him, it doesn't help that he is a big target.
Orochimaru was a Hydra. Neither snake, nor dragon. No wings, no burying under the ground. Its mobility is zero.

Meanwhile, Bunta can jump 50 meters in an instant.

There's also Kabuto implying Nagato could've dodged Totsuka if his feet weren't damaged.
 

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Hello, do I have to remind you that multiple Susanoo's couldn't stab A before a Golem could save him? Onoki could make a golem before Yasaka thrown by Madara's Susanoo could hit? Danzo dodging a Susanoo punch. If its Susanoo speed you're going for, Susanoo is not very fast. Danzo could dodge it. I'm not saying its slow. If it attacks some normal mid-level ninja with punches blades and the like then they'd die(look at Madara vs fodders) but Bunta is skilled in physical combat so the toad won't be caught easily. And normal, skilled mobile people can dodge it.
Hello, do I have to remind you that this has nothing to do with the topic at hand?

Are we talking about Yasaka Magatama?
Are we talking about Susanoo punching someone?
Are we talking about Madara's Susanoo trying to stab Onoki?

No, we're not. Don't try and use other instances to prove me wrong when you should be looking at the scan where Oro failed to react to Totsuka and telling me how I'm wrong. Especially since those were all lower versions of Susanoo you mentioned so flawed comparison is flawed.

Now as for the whole Oro blitzing. If Susanoo was super fast, the databook would have mentioned it since it isn't just a weapon but it pops out of a gourd. Nothing of that sort was said. Moreover, I've been looking through the manga chapters and I can't find a single blitz that involved only a question mark. Its either ! Or its !! Or its !!! or its
The bold makes no sense whatsoever. Manga already showed it. Databook doesn't need to say it as well.

It doesn't matter what you can or can't find. The question mark means he was wondering what just happened meaning he didn't expect the attack. Its basic grammar. End of story.


If you can find one then fine. I might accept. But merely saying Itachi's Susanoo performed a blitz no other character or entity has ever performed is unacceptable. Almost as disappointing as telling me that Yata looks like a liquid when it more resembles and a flame. And in manga, its what we see that we can analyze.
That makes no sense whatsoever. Manga already showed Totsuka blitzing Orochimaru, you not willing to accept it doesn't change the fact that it happened. When are you actually going to post support evidence that Bunta can evade Totsuka instead of disagreeing with things that have already been shown to be manga fact.

You know what's unnacceptable? You having no evidence or any kind of backup that lets anyone believe Bunta can evade Totsuka despite it blitzing Orochimaru before he could even finish talking despite him looking right at the sword when it happened.
 
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Well, that's bull.

That is -NOT- how summoning works. Sasuke and Kabuto could summon Manda, despite neither of them actually being a friend of Manda. As long as you have a contract you can summon anyone on it.



Orochimaru was a Hydra. Neither snake, nor dragon. No wings, no burying under the ground. Its mobility is zero.

Meanwhile, Bunta can jump 50 meters in an instant.

There's also Kabuto implying Nagato could've dodged Totsuka if his feet weren't damaged.
Doesn't change the fact he couldn't react mentally or physically. If Oro couldn't see the attack coming from that distance I have no reason to believe Bunta can do the same.

Nagato is Nagato, we're talking about Bunta.
 

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Hello, do I have to remind you that this has nothing to do with the topic at hand?

Are we talking about Yasaka Magatama?
Are we talking about Susanoo punching someone?
Are we talking about Madara's Susanoo trying to stab Onoki?

No, we're not. Don't try and use other instances to prove me wrong when you should be looking at the scan where Oro failed to react to Totsuka and telling me how I'm wrong. Especially since those were all lower versions of Susanoo you mentioned so flawed comparison is flawed.



The bold makes no sense whatsoever. Manga already showed it. Databook doesn't need to say it as well.

It doesn't matter what you can or can't find. The question mark means he was wondering what just happened meaning he didn't expect the attack. Its basic grammar. End of story.




That makes no sense whatsoever. Manga already showed Totsuka blitzing Orochimaru, you not willing to accept it doesn't change the fact that it happened. When are you actually going to post support evidence that Bunta can evade Totsuka instead of disagreeing with things that have already been shown to be manga fact.

You know what's unnacceptable? You having no evidence or any kind of backup that lets anyone believe Bunta can evade Totsuka despite it blitzing Orochimaru before he could even finish talking despite him looking right at the sword when it happened.
Alright, the databook called Bunta fast. The One Tail was blitzed. And you say Bunta is not fast.


Databook didn't call Totsuka fast. Your Totsuka blitzing Orochimaru didn't look anything like any other blitz in all 628 chapters of Naruto. I can only construe that it is not a blitz. Unless Itachi's Totsuka is able to accomplish a singular blitz far different from every other blitz in the Narutoverse. Lol
 

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Well, I will have to say yes.

IRL frogs have better reflexes than humans.
True, but that comparison is made between frogs and RL Humans. Nagato first of all is a ninja so his reflexes are far greater than any RL human and second of all he is a sensor (A good one at that). Sensing greatly increases his reflexes so I highly doubt that Bunta would have greater reflexes than Nagato.
 

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Alright, the databook called Bunta fast. The One Tail was blitzed. And you say Bunta is not fast.
Never said Bunta was fast. Only said that its not fast enough and you haven't given me any reason to believe he is.


Databook didn't call Totsuka fast. Your Totsuka blitzing Orochimaru didn't look anything like any other blitz in all 628 chapters of Naruto. I can only construe that it is not a blitz. Unless Itachi's Totsuka is able to accomplish a singular blitz far different from every other blitz in the Narutoverse. Lol
Why would Databook call a sword fast? That makes no sense at all. Swords aren't fast. The thing or person wielding them is what's fast or not.

@bold: Not sure if srs. I doesn't matter what you think it was or not. Oro was surprised. Manga showed he was surprised via facial expressions and punctuation. Thus it was a blitz. End of story.
 

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Bunta is a large target. No matter how fast he is, his bodily mass would enable for a large room to make a strike. It's just a simple observation. Compared to him, a smaller target with the same speed would be difficult to hit, as ... well, because it's small. The room for reaction and making a strike is drastically small as well. Come on. How is this even debatable? Bunta is about the size of a freaking building. How hard would it be to pierce it, despite its speed?
 

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Never said Bunta was fast. Only said that its not fast enough and you haven't given me any reason to believe he is.




Why would Databook call a sword fast? That makes no sense at all. Swords aren't fast. The thing or person wielding them is what's fast or not.

@bold: Not sure if srs. I doesn't matter what you think it was or not. Oro was surprised. Manga showed he was surprised via facial expressions and punctuation. Thus it was a blitz. End of story.
Here are the problems with your argument.

-We can't be sure it was a blitz. No blitz has happened like that.
-Orochimaru couldn't move so even if it was, there's no reason to believe It couldn't be dodged.
-Blitzing a frozen dude doesn't mean a thing is particularly fast.
-No databook support.


Bunta has databook and manga feat support that he has good speed. Now, whether that is enough to dodge Totsuka, we don't know. But more importantly, we don't know if Totsuka could hit a fast mobile target. We don't know if there is even anything to fear in its Susanoo's attack speed with Totsuka.

You say its Susanoo that's fast, but I've already shown you that Madara's Susanoo attacks could be blocked by golem+sand, a golem could save Raikage in time.

Danzo dodged Sasuke's Susanoo.

So, Totsuka has given us no reason to conclude that its remarkably fast, Susanoo has not given us reason to believe that its remarkably fast. Then where the hell is all this coming from?
 

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Here are the problems with your argument.

-We can't be sure it was a blitz. No blitz has happened like that.
-Orochimaru couldn't move so even if it was, there's no reason to believe It couldn't be dodged.
-Blitzing a frozen dude doesn't mean a thing is particularly fast.
-No databook support.
-We can be sure its a blitz cause Oro was surprised.
-Oro didn't have time to mentally or physically react to the blade. It doesn't matter if he couldn't move or not, the fact that it was right in front of him and he didn't even see it stab him is proof enough that its fast.
-Oro was looking straight at Susanoo and never saw the sword move to stab him. He only realized what hit him when it hit him. This has nothing to do with whether he could have dodged it or not. The fact that he was looking right at the wielder of the sword when he got stabbed, but never saw the sword move to stab him is proof enough that its fast, and its proof enough that its a blitz.
-This matters how? Manga already showed it so I don't need Databook support. Especially since the DB is full of hyperbole.

Bunta has databook and manga feat support that he has good speed. Now, whether that is enough to dodge Totsuka, we don't know. But more importantly, we don't know if Totsuka could hit a fast mobile target. We don't know if there is even anything to fear in its Susanoo's attack speed with Totsuka.
Oro was looking at the sword yet still didn't see it coming. Obviously that's something to fear. If Oro couldn't see it coming in time to do anything Bunta isn't going to be able to do anything either given its size and weight. Its an easy target.

You say its Susanoo that's fast, but I've already shown you that Madara's Susanoo attacks could be blocked by golem+sand, a golem could save Raikage in time.

Danzo dodged Sasuke's Susanoo.
We're talking about Itachi's V4 Susanoo, not Madara's V3 Susanoo. Point invalid. Stop mentioning Madara's Susanoo here. We are talking about Itachi's, is this that hard to understand?


So, Totsuka has given us no reason to conclude that its remarkably fast, Susanoo has not given us reason to believe that its remarkably fast. Then where the hell is all this coming from?
Swords can't be fast.

Oro already got blitzed by Itachi's Susanoo before he could finish his sentence, despite looking right at Itachi the whole time.

Bunta is the same size as Shukaku, a Bijuu, the fact that you think it will be able to evade Totsuka is laughable.
 

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-We can be sure its a blitz cause Oro was surprised.
-Oro didn't have time to mentally or physically react to the blade. It doesn't matter if he couldn't move or not, the fact that it was right in front of him and he didn't even see it stab him is proof enough that its fast.
-Oro was looking straight at Susanoo and never saw the sword move to stab him. He only realized what hit him when it hit him. This has nothing to do with whether he could have dodged it or not. The fact that he was looking right at the wielder of the sword when he got stabbed, but never saw the sword move to stab him is proof enough that its fast, and its proof enough that its a blitz.
-This matters how? Manga already showed it so I don't need Databook support. Especially since the DB is full of hyperbole.



Oro was looking at the sword yet still didn't see it coming. Obviously that's something to fear. If Oro couldn't see it coming in time to do anything Bunta isn't going to be able to do anything either given its size and weight. Its an easy target.


We're talking about Itachi's V4 Susanoo, not Madara's V3 Susanoo. Point invalid. Stop mentioning Madara's Susanoo here. We are talking about Itachi's, is this that hard to understand?


So, Totsuka has given us no reason to conclude that its remarkably fast, Susanoo has not given us reason to believe that its remarkably fast. Then where the hell is all this coming from?
Swords can't be fast.

Oro already got blitzed by Itachi's Susanoo before he could finish his sentence, despite looking right at Itachi the whole time.[/QUOTE]

You are still talking like Oro had options. He didn't have options, He had no legs, he couldn't move at the time. So now you're saying that Itachi's Susanoo is faster than all other Susanoo?

Did you not see that Bunta blitzed a target that could have moved out of the way, but yet the target was utterly shocked(going by a giant exclamation mark! Not some measly question mark which has never been seen in a blitz before) Aad despite seeing Bunta coming, still got hit?

You ignore that and only consider what Totsuka did a feat of speed. I've heard enough. I can't stand such bias. This is why I don't argue Minato Vs Itachi without a lot of people. Goodbye.
 
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