Minato Vs Itachi

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Itachi does have a shot at winning here, and Minato will need to depend on more then just his FTG (Or atleast the kunai-tag versions) if he wants to pull a victory off. Early on in the fight if Minato begins spreading Kunai all over the field, Itachi can react to it. Minato doesn't throw things at the same rate he teleports them. And Itachi has shown to be quite adept with Kunai.

So Itachi could counter the FTG Kunai by throwing his own to knock them away from their intended location, or by throwing paper-bomb rapped kunai at Minato's to begin with. The next challenge Itachi'd have to face would be the toad summonings. Which he could counter with Susanno, but that technique would drain Itachi. And the totsuka sword can be dodged by the spread out and out of place Kunai that Itachi countered earlier (If he didn't go with the paper-bomb strategy). So it's an unknown for me on how Itachi would deal with the toads, possibly Amaterasu them. But that would put a considerable strain on Itachi and I think he would be smart enough to not use it if he doesn't have to.

When it comes to close quarter combat, it's a tough one. Itachi seems to be average enough for being a S rank ninja, but he seems to rely on genjutsu to aid him while he is fighting. And if Itachi used Amaterasu while they were somewhat close, I don't even doubt Minato could go to one of his discarded kunai(Again if they haven't been destroyed) to avoid it. But Itachi runs the risk of being tagged by the FTG version two, which would end the fight. Unless Itachi hides in Susanno but that would only be for a few minutes while Minato waits him out. And I don't even need to bring out how the Rasengan would be a big problem for Itachi.

Genjutsu would be a nuisance to Minato, too. But I doubt he'll be looking an Uchiha in the eyes. He should come from a time when it's common knowledge to not stare at their eyes. So if Minato is put in a genjutsu, it'll be a minor one from his fingers and such. It could prove to be subtle enough that Minato doesn't realize it right away, Itachi is known to be a genjutsu master. And Itachi could then use a fire style jutsu to finish off Minato. But it's unlikely.

Itachi has a decent shot at beating Minato, but that's only because we've seen only a few moves from him. Who ever wins in this fight won't be doing so in the usual manner. Minato using his FTG Kunai to flank or catch Itachi off guard and, Itachi's MS techniques to quickly defeat Minato would probably not be the case. But honestly, they're both rather dumb characters. One has a million one-shots while the other can, theoretically, teleport back to Konoha and restock on his kunai, get medicine, etc, most fights and not take them seriously.
 

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Owarij has already killed this thread, but I'm gonna go ahead and add to it.


Itachi can cast genjutsu without eye contact. Even those with a 5/5 in genjutsu struggle against Itachi's normal genjutsu prowess. A person like Minato who is certainly not top tier in genjutsu has no chance.

Itachi has already proved he can cast Amaterasu on the move against Jiraiya and Sasuke. Saying he needs to remain still is completely retarded.

Itachi can weave signs so fast that it's impossible for the sharingan to keep up. Minato won't be able to tell the difference between a crow clone and the real Itachi.

Itachi also has a seemingly endless amount of shurikens/kunai and is skilled enough to hit objects in his blindspot with pinpoint accuracy. If it's a contest of shurikenjutsu, Itachi has the best feats in the manga.


But like I said earlier Minato easily loses to any genjutsu Itachi uses, but let's look at Minato's battle moveset for the sake of comparison:

Contract Seal
Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Flying Thunder God Technique
Rasengan
Space–Time Barrier
Summoning Technique (Toads)

Itachi's moveset:

Amaterasu
Clone Great Explosion
Crow Clone Technique
Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and Earth Change
Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique
Dusk Crow Genjutsu
Ephemeral
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Genjutsu: Sharingan
Izanami
Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Crows)
Susanoo
Tsukuyomi
Water Release: Water Fang Bullet
Yasaka Magatama

At a glance it's clear that Itachi literally has a counter to every move Minato has to offer.

Contact seal is useless, Minato won't be touching the real Itachi. He has clones and susanoo.

Dead Demon Consuming Seal at best forces a draw. The more likely scenario is that Minato wastes his life taking a clone.

Flying Thunder God level 2 is pointless. For Itachi, deflecting kunai's (even those that are not heading towards him) is childs play.

Rasengan is not enough. The ribcage of a susanoo blocked a Big Ball rasengan. Susanoo has instaneous activation, Itachi doesn't need to use anything more than a ribcage or clone feint.

Summoning frogs. This is just a waste of chakra for Minato, Itachi can effortlessly handle them with genjutsu or Amaterasu.


On top of this we have Itachi's intelligence, his ability to use clones, fire release, water release, genjutsu, etc. One of Itachi's crows also carries a sharingan (and Kotoamatsukami) which can easily trap Minato in genjutsu. The fight won't drag out that long. Itachi's genjutsu is just too strong. Jiraiya, who is Minato's sensei, taught Naruto to break out genjutsu by disturbing his chakra, but even Naruto's massive chakra reserves was too weak to defeat Itachi's normal genjutsu on multiple occasions. (Also note that Naruto's chakra control > Minato's chakra control )

Those who argue against Itachi winning often using poor arguments on Itachi behalf. They always immediately resort to Itachi's MS techs and usually end up talking about how Itachi will tire himself out. These people rather conveniently forget that Itachi had used several chakra consuming during the Sasuke vs. Itachi arc and yet he still was able to keep up his full Susanoo up just to waste chakra for an entire chapter.
These same people also use ridiculous arguments for Minato saying he will flee from the battle (which ironically counts as a loss) or some other bullshit argument which makes you wonder what character they're talking about.

But it's not too surprising really. I bet if I made a thread asking whether or not Sage Naruto surpassed Minato you'd be getting people saying "No." despite the manga saying that SM Naruto did. It just goes to show really.
 
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Itachi, Minato's summonings can be controlled continually by sharingan and put into situations in which he can kill them easily. Itach is already most likely aware of his ability maybe not version two, but Minato has 0 knowledge whatso ever about Itachi. Itachi, who is also versed in the art of fuinjutsu knows that you can place a seal on someone via touch, meaning he'll stay clear from any taijutsu battles with Minato, who he would know is an expert at fuinjutsu.... The deciding factor of this match without a doubt would be genjutsu, Not even going to argue whether Minato would make eye contact.. that will just turn into a never ending debate..... I will argue that Itachi doesn't need Tsukyomi to end this fight, and he can finish it off with his dusk crow ability.. which doesn't require handseals or eyecontact.. something like that will easily put Minato into a comatose state leaving his body susceptible for attack even if for a few seconds... it's an op and broken ability that people fail to take note of, and Minato has literally no counters to it considering he doesn't know of its existence.


As for the brawl between the characters.. once again Itachi would definitely have a general idea of the workings of FTG, as he had known intricate details of the hokages personal life, and has shown that he was quite the studious young lad.. Keeping a safe distance from the ground Kunai and utilizing his skill in shruikenjutsu to keep any ftg 2 kunai away from him as per norm would be the obvious method of defence .... With minato's speed and ability, it's obvious that the majority of itachi's seen ninjutsu and taijutsu would be the totally wrong approach.. He would just be wasting chakra shooting katons and water jutus, something Minato can easily dodge... and we all know Itachi isn't that stupid... The only option he has then on would be genjutsu, an attack you can't dodge...

Summonings on a whole are a bad idea, they are big and or slow and are all definitely incapable dodging an ability like amaterasu.. something which once again, Minato has no knowledge of, nor knows Itachi holds such a technique...
This pretty much.
 

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I didn't read any of the posts.

But I'm going to post how Minato can beat Itachi and vice versa.

Minato wins.

We all know Minato is very powerful, being praised by Jiraiya, Tsunade, The Raikage, The Third Hokage and everyone on the battlefield in the 3rd great ninja war was scared of him. They were to retreat if they ever saw him. Which is a big feat. It is also said if it weren't for him Konoha wouldn't have won the 3rd great ninja war.

Itachi is also very powerful, obtaining the rank as an anbu leader at a young age of 13. He has been said to have the knowledge and understanding of a Hokage at a young age as well. But aswe have seen all through out the series he has low chakra reserves and stamina.

I'm going to list a few techs of each character
Minato
S/T Jutsus
FTG, With shurikens or put a seal on you to instantly teleport to you where ever you are.
Rasengan
Sealing jutsus.
Sensing abilities.
the rest is unknown, but he has a lot more up his sleeve.

Itachi
Suiton techs
Katon Techs
Great Genjutsus.
Tsukoyomi
Amateratsu
Susano'o

How Minato wins?
Minato can win in only a few ways, because we've seen only a few techs from him we don't know his full extent of power.

How to counter moves.

Tsukoyomi
Don't looooook at his eyes!!
Only simple way to beat him. Guy has perfected this as he rivals with a sharingan user.

Minato has the ability to maybe use this effectively as we have seen his battle smarts and strategies and they are very great.

Also if he gets caught.. well, as we have seen Itachi fight with Kakashi after using tsukoyomi you could see he was weakened.

Minato was still able to perform the sealing of Kurama, his chakra and Kushina even after RDS. And being stabbed by Kurama.

He has the potential to still be able to fight Itachi, while itachi would have low stam.

Another way he could win is if seals itachi right away at the start of the fight so he is able to teleport to him at any time having the element of surprise on his side.

Amateratsu. well...he sent a tbb away from the village.. he can probably do that with Amateratsu as well. Although if he does not have intel it would be dangerous.But Ay, has very little information about it yet he was still able to dodge.

Susano'o
The only way for him to actually beat Susano'o is outlasting him.

Itachi has low stamina and would probably be able to keep his Susan'o for a short time.

Minato can summon Toads and such to attack Susano'o head on.

Maybe he'll come up with such an op jutsu that it might be able to beat Susano'o .

Who knows? We haven't seen his full power yet.

How Itachi can win.

Itachi would need to counter his speed.
This is very troublesome as Minato is very fast. Probably the fastest/second fastest in the history of ninjas.

This is very hard for him as even Obito could not evade it.

Itachi can't use much of his MS like Sasuke who could use Amateratsu and Susano'o at the same time, So itachi needs to one shot him.
Now the fanboy are gonna come at me with... IZANAMI!
Let's be clear on this.
It only works on arrogant people, who try to immitate other peoples personalities. One who goes through Izanagi, like Danzo. Or someone like Kabuto.

It would not work on Minato.

Amateratsu has a good chance though, if Minato does not have intel about it he can probably kill Minato with Amateratsu. But Minato is a senser. Zetsu was able to feel the chakra for Amateratsu so it's possible that Minato could do the same.

Itachi could also try to kill Minato with Susano'o.
Or be fast enough to seal him with the Totsuka sword. But let's be honest. That's a freaking big sword. Minato would be able to dodge that.


This is my analysis on the Minato vs Itachi. It would be great if someone could take this further for me. Or give me some tips on how to improve this​
 

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So what? It still takes long to summon Ma and Pa as it took Jiraiya forever to summon those two. As many people already stated, summonings are a bad idea.
Huh what?

Jiraiya summoned them instantly. He just prefered to enter Sage Mode first. Don't ask me why.

Summoning Ma and Pa does definitely not require 5 minutes of prep, seeing as how Ma summoned Pa, Naruto and 3 boss toads instantly.
 

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No, you're assuming that itachi used sussanno, when it's clear as day susanno is simply holding yata mirror which extended, not sussano, the excess isn't even attached to sussanno what soever. Yata mirror defended Itachi perfectly as ZETSU stated.. zetsu never said that it was susanno deflecting the attacks, it was Yata mirror




?? Uzumaki, Totsuka is a sword...of course it isn't fast as its speed is dependent on the person or thing holding it.. Susanno is the fast thing, lightning fast as seen in the danzo fights.. its power and strength makes the swings of the sword extremely fast.... And you do know the sword has only been used on two occasions, on both occasions the ninja has been sealed.. so where are you expecting to get statements of its speed?
The fact that Oro isn't surpriaed shows that the stab was nothing spectacular. As for Susanoo being 'super-fast' didn't Onoki managed to paralyse 25 of them? Danzo dodged Susanoo a couple of times when he fought Sasuke, it is Sasuke's arrows that are super fast. Don't steal Sasuke's feats dude. -___-

As for Yata, all I can say is that I'm highly disappointed. One can clearly see the flaming aura of Yata superimposed into Susanoo's body. The force of Sasuke's explosion blew the flaming formless aura towards Susanoo and from the side, since they are both colorless and transparent, Susanoo and Yata seems to have merged. However, this is not the case. If you carefully examine Susanoo's body outline, you'll see that the normal streaks are interrupted or crossed by some flame like lines, which is simply the Yata aura being blown towards Susanoo. It is the aura around Susanoo's arm (as you can see, its difficult to distinguish it from Susanoo's body) that was blown into Susanoo body.

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Are you blind? You can clearly see the ? in the panel he gets stabbed. The fact that they added the dash there is fact that is sentence was interrupted by Totsuka's strike. Not to mention Susanoo's attacks are always generally fast.





Danzo dodged Susanoo. The link you posted are ones of Sasuke surprise activating Susanoo then getting Danzo. The one I posted was of Susanoo already being out then attacking, and Danzo dodging with ease.

There's also the fact that multiple Susanoo couldn't stab Raikage before a golem saved him Lol
 

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Zebstrika said:
Minato's arsenal

Contract Seal
Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Flying Thunder God Technique
Rasengan
Space–Time Barrier
Summoning Technique (Toads)

Itachi's moveset:

Amaterasu
Clone Great Explosion
Crow Clone Technique
Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and Earth Change
Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique
Dusk Crow Genjutsu
Ephemeral
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Genjutsu: Sharingan
Izanami
Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Crows)
Susanoo
Tsukuyomi
Water Release: Water Fang Bullet
Yasaka Magatama
Funny how you seperate Yasaka with Susanoo when we know that Yasaka is a Susanoo technique, you even seperate different type of genjutsu as if it wasn't the same general thing only applied differently. But you do all that, obviously looking the way around. You even forgot the Shishou fuuin, Hakke fuin he used against Kyubi as well as the 5element seal

Going by your logic, this is Minato's arsenal that you're failing to see. Minato can summon every toad he desires, which already guarantees him a well-versed ninjutsu asset contrary to what people think

Gamabunta can use water(water > Katon, and he can even use larger scale of water than Itachi's katon scale) or oil release. Gamakichi can use fire release. Ma or Pa could use fuuton, fire, suiton, oil release. They even have Sage Mode increasing their nin-tai-gen. Talking about genjutsu, they give him the possibility to use the most powerful genjutsu in the manga as described in the databook, something that canonically worked on Itachi, despite being even a weaker one. They also possess a sound jutsu able to paralyse every parcel of bone in the body, and again canonically it has been proven that in this condition, Susanoo couldn't be used

His toads are also much more bigger than Itachi's Susanoo, have more destructive capacities since they can even destroy forests, eventhough they lack one shot techniques like totsuka.

And that is only from what we know from him, since it's said Minato had much more jutsus than that. Kushina for example taught him a whole bunch of sealing techniques that we don't even know, or his affinity that Kakashi said he possessed, and possibly even more

But it's no surprising coming from a hater who really believes Sage Mode Naruto was stronger than Minato when it's clearly portrayed as to be greatly wrong
 
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the same fact is that minato can reverse genjutus due to his t/s/b just like he send the tbb charka back which 1000000 stronger than itachi chakar this is a cake walk
i made thread



plus can put a seal on sasonn and move it into itach sason
 
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The fact that Oro isn't surpriaed shows that the stab was nothing spectacular. As for Susanoo being 'super-fast' didn't Onoki managed to paralyse 25 of them? Danzo dodged Susanoo a couple of times when he fought Sasuke, it is Sasuke's arrows that are super fast. Don't steal Sasuke's feats dude. -___-

As for Yata, all I can say is that I'm highly disappointed. One can clearly see the flaming aura of Yata superimposed into Susanoo's body. The force of Sasuke's explosion blew the flaming formless aura towards Susanoo and from the side, since they are both colorless and transparent, Susanoo and Yata seems to have merged. However, this is not the case. If you carefully examine Susanoo's body outline, you'll see that the normal streaks are interrupted or crossed by some flame like lines, which is simply the Yata aura being blown towards Susanoo. It is the aura around Susanoo's arm (as you can see, its difficult to distinguish it from Susanoo's body) that was blown into Susanoo body.



Danzo dodged Susanoo. The link you posted are ones of Sasuke surprise activating Susanoo then getting Danzo. The one I posted was of Susanoo already being out then attacking, and Danzo dodging with ease.

There's also the fact that multiple Susanoo couldn't stab Raikage before a golem saved him Lol
And this proves what? We are talking about Totsuka and how Orochimaru didn't even have time to finish his sentence before the blade pierced him. Those scans only show that Susanoo attacks fast not that it attacks are impossible to dodge. Nothing you are posting even relates to why you think Bunta can dodge Totsuka.

If you aren't going to reply to main part of my post don't reply at all. The fact is Oro got surprised by the blade stabbing him despite staring straight at Itachi.
 
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Minato has no sensing feats in this manga
Well, there's the finger to the ground thing which Tobirama also does, and we know Tobirama is a sensor. Looking at the procedure.

He placed his finger on the ground and counted 20 enemies.

Now to count something, you have to know where they are. This means he could determine their position and numbers by the finger thing.

He didn't see them.

He didn't hear them.

They didn't make contact with his skin so he didn't feel them.

He didn't smell them.

He sure as hell didn't taste them. *
Barf*

So he must have used something apart from his five senses to locate them. Whether he sensed their chakra or not, he could sense them without using his five senses.

Gaara's sensor sand doesn't sense chakra but Gaara could be considered a sensor. Ergo, Minato is a sensor. Whether a chakra sensor or another special type like Gaara's remains to be seen. Though he's probably a chakra sensor since he sensory method is also shared by Tobirama, who is a chakra sensor.

:scorps:


And this proves what? We are talking about Totsuka and how Orochimaru didn't even have time to finish his sentence before the blade pierced him. Those scans only show that Susanoo attacks fast not that it attacks are impossible to dodge. Nothing you are posting even relates to why you think Bunta can dodge Totsuka.

If you aren't going to reply to main part of my post don't reply at all.
Alight, don't get your panties in a bunch. Now, my point was that Orochimaru wasn't blitzed since he wasn't surprised. This means Orochimaru could see it coming, wasn't even fazed in the slightest. That suggest that its a normal, not super fast attack.


Now, as to whether Bunta can dodge it, well, then Bunta blitzes the One Tail displaying a fair amount of speed. Not just that but the particular jutsu he uses is explained in the databook

TAIJUTSU; Gama Dosuzan (Toad Dosu* Murderous
Slash)
User: Gamabunta
Offensive; Medium, Long ranges; Rank: none
Main text
A jutsu only a Toad can use, by employing its
characteristic bodily features. Its strong hips and legs
give birth to an uncommonly precise leap, with which
it slices at its target! Since the interval is covered in
the blink of an eye, the opponent can't even try to
escape.
This is an ultra-fast taijutsu attack that goes
well beyond the impossible.

Captions
-He commits his heart and soul in the cleaving assault
brought forth by his leaping strength!!
-That's how real men go about a frontal slash!!
Picture comment
-Even from a remote location, he immediately
engages in close combat. He can even attack the
opponent effectively, catching them off guard!

-Thanks to his miraculous leaping strength, he can
split anyone apart. He lopped off Shukaku's right arm

Notice the bold. This means Gamabunta is a really fast dude er....I mean toad. Lol

He should dodge Totsuka well. U_U


Funny how you seperate Yasaka with Susanoo when we know that Yasaka is a Susanoo technique, you even seperate different type of genjutsu as if it wasn't the same general thing only applied differently. But you do all that, obviously looking the way around. You even forgot the Shishou fuuin, Hakke fuin he used against Kyubi as well as the 5element seal

Going by your logic, this is Minato's arsenal that you're failing to see. Minato can summon every toad he desires, which already guarantees him a well-versed ninjutsu asset contrary to what people think

Gamabunta can use water(water > Katon, and he can even use larger scale of water than Itachi's katon scale) or oil release. Gamakichi can use fire release. Ma or Pa could use fuuton, fire, suiton, oil release. They even have Sage Mode increasing their nin-tai-gen. Talking about genjutsu, they give him the possibility to use the most powerful genjutsu in the manga as described in the databook, something that canonically worked on Itachi, despite being even a weaker one. They also possess a sound jutsu able to paralyse every parcel of bone in the body, and again canonically it has been proven that in this condition, Susanoo couldn't be used

His toads are also much more bigger than Itachi's Susanoo, have more destructive capacities since they can even destroy forests, eventhough they lack one shot techniques like totsuka.

And that is only from what we know from him, since it's said Minato had much more jutsus than that. Kushina for example taught him a whole bunch of sealing techniques that we don't even know, or his affinity that Kakashi said he possessed, and possibly even more

But it's no surprising coming from a hater who really believes Sage Mode Naruto was stronger than Minato when it's clearly portrayed as to be greatly wrong
@the bold Like Seriously O_O Where's that thread I wanna tear it apart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol
 
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Well, there's the finger to the ground thing which Tobirama also does, and we know Tobirama is a sensor. Looking at the procedure.

He placed his finger on the ground and counted 20 enemies.

Now to count something, you have to know where they are. This means he could determine their position and numbers by the finger thing.

He didn't see them.

He didn't hear them.

They didn't make contact with his skin so he didn't feel them.

He didn't smell them.

He sure as hell didn't taste them. *
Barf*

So he must have used something apart from his five senses to locate them. Whether he sensed their chakra or not, he could sense them without using his five senses.

Gaara's sensor sand doesn't sense chakra but Gaara could be considered a sensor. Ergo, Minato is a sensor. Whether a chakra sensor or another special type like Gaara's remains to be seen. Though he's probably a chakra sensor since he sensory method is also shared by Tobirama, who is a chakra sensor.

:scorps:




Alight, don't get your panties in a bunch. Now, my point was that Orochimaru wasn't blitzed since he wasn't surprised. This means Orochimaru could see it coming, wasn't even fazed in the slightest. That suggest that its a normal, not super fast attack.


Now, as to whether Bunta can dodge it, well, then Bunta blitzes the One Tail displaying a fair amount of speed. Not just that but the particular jutsu he uses is explained in the databook


Notice the bold. This means Gamabunta is a really fast dude er....I mean toad. Lol

He should dodge Totsuka well. U_U
He was surprised hence his sentence being cut off and a question mark being inserted after his sentence finished. After he got stabbed.

Bunta supposedly blitzing the One Tails isn't proof that he can dodge Totsuka when Orochimaru who was staring right at Itachi was surprised when the sword stabbed him, it doesn't help that he is a big target.

That DB entry is clearly full of hyperbole, why don't you post a manga scan instead?
 

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Huh what?

Jiraiya summoned them instantly. He just prefered to enter Sage Mode first. Don't ask me why.

Summoning Ma and Pa does definitely not require 5 minutes of prep, seeing as how Ma summoned Pa, Naruto and 3 boss toads instantly.
It is not a manga fact Minato can summon Ma and Pa. They rarely get summoned, so you can infer Jiraiya is the only one who summons them. The only frog that Minato can summon at this point is Gamabunta.
 

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He was surprised hence his sentence being cut off and a question mark being inserted after his sentence finished. After he got stabbed.

Bunta supposedly blitzing the One Tails isn't proof that he can dodge Totsuka when Orochimaru who was staring right at Itachi was surprised when the sword stabbed him, it doesn't help that he is a big target.

That DB entry is clearly full of hyperbole, why don't you post a manga scan instead?
Didn't you see that BIG exclamation mark coming from the One Tail when Bunta blitzed him(the link I posted)? That combined with the Databook should put Bunta on a rather dangerous of speed.

Whereas with Orochimaru, he was had no feet, there was no exclamation of shock, he got stabbed and still finished his sentence, and NO DATABOOK ENTRY PRAISING TOTSUKA ATTACK SPEED, I'd say I'm winning, wouldn't you? :scorps:

Ah, Owarij, so nice of you to join us ^_^ you do agree with my whole Bunta thing right?
 

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Lol , you say he wasn't surprised yet he was cut off in the middle of in his sentence and contrary to what you said on the last page, HAS a "?" meaning he didn't know what happen, he just got slabbed... after realizing, he changed his topic completely and started saying that a stab won't do him anything.... There is a question mark uzmaki, and in the manga question marks and exclamation marks go hand in hand with surprise.


As for the shield, first bogard argues its sussano now you're arguing its yata's flames?
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Average size of yata... Yata is made of a LIQUID material, and it is that spiritual material that protects sussanno.. Yata can't be blown away, it wasn't blown away since it is stated to reflect attacks and zetsu CONFIRMED it was reflecting the attacks.. the liquid extended beyond sussanno, and covered its sides as it should be,...


Well, there's the finger to the ground thing which Tobirama also does, and we know Tobirama is a sensor. Looking at the procedure.

He placed his finger on the ground and counted 20 enemies.

Now to count something, you have to know where they are. This means he could determine their position and numbers by the finger thing.

He didn't see them.

He didn't hear them.

They didn't make contact with his skin so he didn't feel them.

He didn't smell them.

He sure as hell didn't taste them. *
Barf*

So he must have used something apart from his five senses to locate them. Whether he sensed their chakra or not, he could sense them without using his five senses.

Gaara's sensor sand doesn't sense chakra but Gaara could be considered a sensor. Ergo, Minato is a sensor. Whether a chakra sensor or another special type like Gaara's remains to be seen. Though he's probably a chakra sensor since he sensory method is also shared by Tobirama, who is a chakra sensor.


I'm aware of that ability and I consider it a tracking ability, not true censorship like what Tobirama and Karin does.. that, he has never done before in this manga



NO DATABOOK ENTRY PRAISING TOTSUKA ATTACK SPEED,

Once again.. why in the world would there be a databook entry for totsuka's attack speed? totsuka is a sword.. swords have no attack speed.... sussano is the thing with the speed, and sussano has shown it is capable of wielding weapons to great effect.. whether it be its massive strength causing arrows to propel and speeds faster than men can make handseals, or its massive strength swinging a sword, its against all forms of logic to postulate that Susanno is slow
 
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Didn't you see that BIG exclamation mark coming from the One Tail when Bunta blitzed him(the link I posted)? That combined with the Databook should put Bunta on a rather dangerous of speed.

Whereas with Orochimaru, he was had no feet, there was no exclamation of shock, he got stabbed and still finished his sentence, and NO DATABOOK ENTRY PRAISING TOTSUKA ATTACK SPEED, I'd say I'm winning, wouldn't you? :scorps:

Ah, Owarij, so nice of you to join us ^_^ you do agree with my whole Bunta thing right?
Bunta supposedly blitzing a Bijuu, who aren't even known for their speed, isn't that great of a feat in the first place, so I don't see why you think he can evade Totsuka based on this alone.

-Doesn't matter if he had feet as he didn't even react to it in the slightest, not mentally or physically hence him being surprised when it hit.

-Doesn't matter if there was exclamation point as there was question mark in its stead which clearly indicates he didn't expect the blade, otherwise why would there be a question mark there?

-He finished his sentence AFTER he got interrupted by the unexpected stab, hence the dash mark in his sentence.

-Also, that DB entry reeks of hyperbole

Not to mention this all happened while Oro was staring right at the Susanoo wielding the sword that stabbed him.
 
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Lol , you say he wasn't surprised yet he was cut off in the middle of in his sentence and contrary to what you said on the last page, HAS a "?" meaning he didn't know what happen, he just got slabbed... after realizing, he changed his topic completely and started saying that a stab won't do him anything.... There is a question mark uzmaki, and in the manga question marks and exclamation marks go hand in hand with surprise.



As for the shield, first bogard argues its sussano now you're arguing its yata's flames?
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Average size of yata... Yata is made of a LIQUID material, and it is that spiritual material that protects sussanno.. Yata can't be blown away, it wasn't blown away since it is stated to reflect attacks and zetsu CONFIRMED it was reflecting the attacks.. the liquid extended beyond sussanno, and covered its sides as it should be,...





I'm aware of that ability and I consider it a tracking ability, not true censorship like what Tobirama and Karin does.. that, he has never done before in this manga




Once again.. why in the world would there be a databook entry for totsuka's attack speed? totsuka is a sword.. swords have no attack speed.... sussano is the thing with the speed, and sussano has shown it is capable of wielding weapons to great effect.. whether it be its massive strength causing arrows to propel and speeds faster than men can make handseals, or its massive strength swinging a sword, its against all forms of logic to postulate that Susanno is slow
all that useless because itachi best gejutus can be stop by s/t/b that a manga fact
 

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Come on uzumaki, using obvious hyperboles in an argument ?

Itachi's Water Fang Bullets

Databook 2 - Suiton: Suigadan:
NINJUTSU; Suiton: Suigadan (Water Fang Bullets)
User: Uchiha Itachi
Offensive; Close range; Rank B

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A technique to deal physical damage to the enemy with a liquid mass brought forth from underwater. Its power to kill and maim is augmented by adding a spinning motion to the compactly pressured water. During fights on water, taking advantage of its characteristic ability to attack from anywhere in a 360 degrees radius, in conjunction with other jutsu for distraction, confusion and so forth, this technique has an extensive array of applications.

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-Lightning-fast bullets gathered from water. They come out of a blind spot and gore the enemy!!

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-Depending on the methods of use, such as launching an attack from underfoot to avert the opponent's attention, the field of strategies will expand far and wide.


You don't see me claiming the suiton is incapable of being dodged as its as fast as lightning right?
 
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