Minato vs Itachi threads(debate with manga portrayal)

[CamW]

Your sig made me lol

Itachi did save everyone from the Edo army and thats great, but Minato saved the shinobi world by sealing Kurama in Naruto.

 

[SoulKiller]

This thread coming from the person who believes Minato > the five Kage together and Minato > Hashirama

Lmao this couldn't say it better lol super minato fanboy

 

[Turson]

Only Hashirama is stronger than Itachi..fact

You cant really be serious.

 

[TheBrightSide]

Some of your interpretations are kind of sketchy but yes, the way the manga portrays Minato is as someone nearly unbeatable. I mean, he even died of his own accord. There are still People that can beat him though realistically.

 

[Brusky]

Underrated? He is one of the most overrated character and is hyped as hell by his fanboys

this man minato was thought to be the savior of the ninja world.. by many great figures in the show. such a title cant be used lightly so must mean he must have been something very spcial. also kishi himself has hyped this man up so dont blame some of the fanboys for believing the stuff that they do. find multiply instances where the author places itachi on a higher pedestal and tben u have my permission to be angry over a manga

 

[TheBrightSide]

Of course according to the manga: all 5 hokages > Itachi. Yes even Tsunade...... this is common sense by now..

But if we analyze it ourselves then .. its a different story.

^_^

Im speechless.

 

[Strict]

A neutral beholder would put them under equals. In fact they're both very skilled and smart Shinobi who shaped the future with their intelligence and foresight. But while Minato was acting publicly as a Hokage, Itachi decided to go the other way around and acted within the shadows. He waived from any rumor and honor and decided to live as an apostate. That's it. Just as Jiraiya and all the others who knew Minato, portrayed him as a genius, Orochimaru, Kabuto, Obito and anyone else who was nearer to Itachi, considered him a genius, even within his own clan, who possessed various skills, knowledge and secrets who could even stop the war.

 

[YellowFlash1]

Your forgetting that none of those characters saw the full potential of Itachi's power and intellegence. If they saw what Itachi went through and how he planned ahead for everything they would probably have a change of heart. Minato saved Konoha, Itachi saved the Shinobi world.

Itachi merely saved the village, as he could not be killed due to being an edo...

 

[Owarij]

Itachi has less hype than minato because almost everything he did was in the shadows... what does this prove? all the hokages are hyped, that doesn't make them the best..
we went through this "Hype" debate thing already...

Itachi was stated by an academy teacher to be the greatest genius to enter the academy since it's founding... That already puts him above minato in youth... His resume in terms of graduation ages, shits on what Minato accomplished.. once again you'll bring up kakashi, but refer to what iruka said in part 1....

We have madara's will, black zetsu who basically called itachi invincible and completely didn't believe that he died and much more hype DESPITE him not being a person who did anything in the front lines..

We have Itachi defeating orochimaru while he was a meer 11 year old...and Orochimaru, a notable sannin with genius hype on the level of Minato claiming that defating Itachi was an impossible dream...

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And what Sasuke says holds merit, Itachi doesn't have that "genius once every decade hype" but he still constantly shits on Orochimaru even from a kid...


Minato fought in wars where he was visible for everyone to see.. he got his rep, he got his name from that... they are not the same people.. and you can't compare like that..

If you want a real comparison, prove to these people how Minato beats Itachi, both these ninjas have capable enough feats in the manga to have a reasonable feat debate.... If you can that is, show how Minato Namikaze would defeat itachi in a fight with Manga knowledge

 

[Brooks]

You cant really be serious.

No, i meant out of the 5 Hokages Hashirama is only stronger Itachi.

 

[Bogard]

Itachi was stated by an academy teacher to be the greatest genius to enter the academy since it's founding... That already puts him above minato in youth... His resume in terms of graduation ages, shits on what Minato accomplished.. once again you'll bring up kakashi, but refer to what iruka said in part 1....

And Jiraya says that Minato is a one time in decade genius, which puts him above Itachi in his youth. I've already proved you that there was no relation ship between graduation age and actual power or it would mean that Kakashi was stronger than Itachi

[COLOR]We have madara's will, black zetsu who basically called itachi invincible and completely didn't believe that he died and much more hype DESPITE him not being a person who did anything in the front lines.. Minato fought in wars where he was visible for everyone to see.. he got his rep, he got his name from that... they are not the same people.. and you can't compare like that..[/COLOR]

Black Zetsu is not Madara. It's for that reason that he didn't even know Susanoo carried a lot of risks

[COLOR]If you want a real comparison, prove to these people how Minato beats Itachi, both these ninjas have capable enough feats in the manga to have a reasonable feat debate.... If you can that is, show how Minato Namikaze would defeat itachi in a fight with Manga knowledge[/COLOR]

Like i've said it's not a versus thread so don't bring that in this thread but create your versus thread if you really want to exchange arguments. We could argue there, but you must already know my arguments concerning it, so i think the debate would be meaningless at the end since both of our side will never agree with each other

 

[Owarij]

And Jiraya says that Minato is a one time in decade genius, which puts him above Itachi in his youth. I've already proved you that there was no relation ship between graduation age and actual power or it would mean that Kakashi was stronger than Itachi

Orochimaru was a once in a decade genius as well...Hah, really? If that's the best hype you got..

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According to sasuke even if the world considers Minato a genius, uchiha geniuses will still make him look like nothing

 

[Bogard]

Orochimaru was a once in a decade genius as well...Hah, really? If that's the best hype you got..

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According to sasuke even if the world considers Minato a genius, uchiha geniuses will still make him look like nothing

Except that Jiraya added the fact that they have never got a genius like Minato since a while(so including both Itachi and Orochimaru). Btw we have clearly seen how Minato was nothing against Uchihas

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[Owarij]

Except that Jiraya added the fact that they have never got a genius like Minato since a while(so including both Itachi and Orochimaru). Btw we have clearly seen how Minato was nothing against Uchihas

Sasuke never said all uchihas , he was referring to uchiha geniuses

Obito was never a genius, never stated to be a genius... he was an idiot who luckily stumbled into alot of power and had good training...You are linking a gif of a 15 year old, who 2 years ago was on comparable to part 1 naruto in terms of intelligence


Your little jiraya hype is cancelled by my academy hype

 

[~Sovereign~]

Except that Jiraya added the fact that they have never got a genius like Minato since a while(so including both Itachi and Orochimaru). Btw we have clearly seen how Minato was nothing against Uchihas

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truuuuuuu lol

 

[~Sovereign~]

Sasuke never said all uchihas , he was referring to uchiha geniuses

Obito was never a genius, never stated to be a genius... he was an idiot who luckily stumbled into alot of power and had good training...You are linking a gif of a 15 year old, who 2 years ago was on comparable to part 1 naruto in terms of intelligence


Your little jiraya hype is cancelled by my academy hype

it doesnt matter what obito was like 2 years ago

obito had a plan when he attacked the village, minato stopped the plan, owned him, and stopped the kyuubi then put the kyuubi inside naruto without prep time

 

[Strict]

Everyone knows that Bogard is a Minato fanboy. One is called genius by those who know about his strength and believe in it. Minato was considered a genius by those who were closer to him, like his Sensei Jiraiya, Raikage A who fought him and all the people from his mere reputation he obtained when acting at the front as a Hokage should. Itachis reputation is not lesser among the people who were standing closer to him and dealt with his power. You took examples like Jiraiya, who was Minatos Sensei and doesn't have much knowledge about Itachi, in order to prove that Minatos reputation was higher, what actually proves bias. You were not even to bashful to post the page where Itachi called himself a failure, for the simply reason that his foresight to bring Sasuke back to Konoha didn't work. Minato however also failed, he died against Kyuubi and told Naruto within his own mind that he failed in protecting the future from a masked man.

 

[Blaze Release]

The manga never compared Minato and Itachi yet. None of ur posts implied what the manga states/what Kishi thinks. According to u this noone except Naruto can surpass Minato. So according to u Minato>all which is nonsense.

This.
Kindergarten points. Why is such a watered down manga so hard to understand. The manga has been so watered down that its a bore to read and yet people cannot understand how simple it is.

Naruto, even before it was revealed that his father was minato has been compared to him by those who knew the relationship they share, especially jiraiya. Its this father and son relationship, which is why its been said that naruto and only naruto will surpass minato. It has nothing to do with minato being the strongest, because he obviously isn't and neither was he the strongest hokage, because that is obviously between hiruzen who has been practically called the strongest and the Hashirama.

What you said, is like me saying that orochimaru said sasuke will surpass itachi therefore orochimaru has put itachi above the sannins and even hiruzen. Or me saying Obito said sasuke will surpass itachi so that means obito, who knew of his teacher (minato's) strength and still said, only sasuke can surpass itachi. That is how outrageous and laughable your points are. Reason why orochimaru/obito has said sasuke will surpass itachi is because sasuke and itachi share a relationship and in this case, little bro surpasses big bro, just like how naruto and minato share a relationship, son surpasses father. It makes absolutely no sense for obito to says sasuke will surpass minato, or kakashi to say naruto will surpass itachi.

Secondly, if you dont mind me saying that i laughed real hard about is when you said Ay has seen amaterasu, susano and tsukuuyomi and has said minato is unsurpassable. First of all, that is funny and outrageous on so many levels i wonder if this is another of your troll threads, Ai has never even met itachi so that alone fails on your part, may i also say that, itachi who has lived in the shadow's and yet his hype is something to behold. Second is that you asked in the viz thread specifically about that manga page and you were given the correct translation, post 61 (

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). Yet you ignored the viz translation given and tried to use the fan translation to suit your needs even though you knew full well of the viz translation, not that the fan translation is any correct because minato has obviously been surpassed by sm naruto and he leaped ahead of him with km

Btw i hope you know that creating over 9000 minato threads is you admitting minato's inferiority. Almost as if you want to assure us of how strong he is.

 

[Negative Knight]

and with that, Bogard was seemingly owned U_U.

 

[Bogard]

This.
Kindergarten points. Why is such a watered down manga so hard to understand. The manga has been so watered down that its a bore to read and yet people cannot understand how simple it is.

Hope you could follow your own examples

Its this father and son relationship, which is why its been said that naruto and only naruto will surpass minato. It has nothing to do with minato being the strongest, because he obviously isn't and neither was he the strongest hokage, because that is obviously between hiruzen who has been practically called the strongest and the Hashirama.

Nothing is obvious. What you say it's your opinion, like what you say concerning father relationship is your interpretation nothing more, and coming from a Itachi fanboy, it's not surprising

What you said, is like me saying that orochimaru said sasuke will surpass itachi therefore orochimaru has put itachi above the sannins and even hiruzen.

The difference is that he only compared Sasuke to Itachi, he didn't give a general opinion like it was the case between the comparison between Naruto and Minato. Kakashi clearly said no one besides Naruto can surpass Minato. It was a general comparison. Orochimaru or Obito never said something even similar. Jiraya didn't even compared Naruto to Minato at all when he said everyone is pale in comparison. Same goes for Raikage. I've never heard something even similar where Itachi was involved in a comparison and that's what is hard for you to understand

Secondly, if you dont mind me saying that i laughed real hard about is when you said Ay has seen amaterasu, susano and tsukuuyomi and has said minato is unsurpassable.

Well you can laugh or do what you want, it's not as if i care.

Ai has never even met itachi so that alone fails on your part, may i also say that, itachi who has lived in the shadow's and yet his hype is something to behold.

Funny thing is that A has never met Itachi, but his subordinate Shii can begin a comparison between Itachi's amaterasu and Sasuke's.

Second is that you asked in the viz thread specifically about that manga page and you were given the correct translation, post 61 (

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I never ignored the mangapage at all since i discussed with Varrah especially concerning those traductions, and he told me that the raw translation is better and in the raw translation it says exactly what i posted

Btw i hope you know that creating over 9000 minato threads is you admitting minato's inferiority. Almost as if you want to assure us of how strong he is.

Well it's up to you to believe what you want. Not as if i care anyway