Minato vs Itachi threads(debate with manga portrayal)

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In terms of portrayal, everything about Itachi is a symbolism for divinity. Ravens are the messengers of the divine in Japanese mythology, and the legendary items Itachi possesses are from the imperial regalia, which serve to prove the Japanese emperor's divinity. The only other individual to have a regalia item is Rikudō Sennin. Most of Itachi's techniques are either named after gods, using divine messengers, or alter reality.

Minato, likewise, introduced two techniques named after gods in a short amount of time.

In terms of manga hype, Itachi was called completely invincible by an entity that knew Obito and Nagato, because of the legendary items only Itachi and Rikudō Sennin possess. Orochimaru, even before he lost his Edo Kages, revered Itachi as an impossible dream to defeat. Sage Kabuto said that Itachi was the most worthy of all the legendary ninja he had resurrected, and called Itachi a genius that had everything. Plus, Obito himself didn't dare to touch Konoha until Itachi died. Sasuke and Danzō, the only individuals to know Itachi's true colors, called Itachi either perfect, or nearly perfect.

Minato, likewise, is put on a huge pedestal by both his comrades and enemies.

In terms of narrative parallels, Itachi is Sasuke's Minato. He's approximately equal to Minato.

In terms of feats, Itachi has half a dozen top tier jutsu and Minato has one (Minato likely has more unknown.)

Also, the original post is wrong in stating that Itachi believed himself inferior to Obito. He called Obito a pathetic shell of his former self, whom he assumed to be the legendary Madara (with perfect Susano'o.) When he stated that only he could surpass "the invincible Madara," he was obviously not referring to the "pathetic shell," but instead of the legacy of the patriarchal Uchiha that, even to this day, the world believes only Hashirama can possibly stop. The "Madara" that Itachi knew hid in the shadows, to cautioius (a stark contrast from the awesome power of Madara) to even reveal himself as a member of Akatsuki up until Sasuke began to hunt Itachi and Itachi was planning to die.

It's clear that Itachi/Minato are only beneath the Madara/Hashirama tier.
 

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Killer B was even able to best Minato in battle was quick enough to save A and counter minato right on the spot minato didn't even notice that killer blade was to his stomach until it was to late you can see he lowered his head then noticed the blade to his gut . Killer b battle with itachi he even had help from naruto in a hand to hand combat and wasn't able to land a hit on him.


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A sick itachi was able to use a large scale of black flames and change the enivorment minato kunai would be made useless imagine healthy

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Minato didn't even know about tobi until it was to late , Itachi was able to notice his presence how do you notice the presence of someone who uses space time even tobi admitted he was the only one to.

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Minato 3 giant summonings were having problems with nagato dog summoning were itachi solo no effort.

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This here is the worst of the worst for minato Itachi had info ,intel , the 411 on him and his circle lol

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Minato has sealing techniques but so does Itachi the sword of totuska has sealing powers not just one sealing techniques

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1st off Itachi never wanted to be known he stated that himself

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Proof that itachi was secretive

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Kabuto how has 30 plus edo kg, sage mode, white snake power, healing abilties, medical ninja etc praised itachi

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Kabuto stated itachi was elite even amongst the elite uchiha clan

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Even the 5th hokage & oonoki were shock at who stop kabuto with the edos and oonoki stated who ever did do that , that there a hero itachi

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Killer b meeting itachi for the 1st time praised him as a wise & strong shinobi
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Your claiming tobi fooled itachi into believing he was a uchiha madara so did everyone one else that includes Minato, Kakashi , & Jiariya

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Your saying that Itachi couldn't beat itachi because tobi because told claimed he didn't have a nuff info sure bet you tobi didnt know itachi had shisui eye koto > tobi

Look how bad obito didn't want kabuto to even get shisui eye

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Please if your gonna throw out info please throw the whole thing
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Clearly most characters in the series hold Minato in high regard relative to Itachi both in terms of power, ideals and decisions during their short lives. U_U

Bee began to sweat in fear when he just heard Minato's name when he asked Naruto who created the Rasengan yet fought Itachi with little worry on his part. Funny thing is, I've never seen Bee scared before. Even Nagato didn't make him react at all.

Kakashi said only Naruto can surpass Minato and he's fought Itachi before. Whether this remark refers to Naruto completing the Rasengan or refers to Naruto's general ability as a ninja is irrelevant. If he's referring to Naruto's completion of the Rasengan then he is therefore stating that the only ninja he believes can accomplish a feat Minato can't is Naruto. If he's referring to fighting ability then he believes Minato is the strongest shinobi he has ever seen(and he's seen Itachi) and only Naruto can surpass him. Naruto took it as referring to fighting ability since he brought the comment to Kakashi's remembrance when he wanted to fight Kakuzu alone without anyone's help.

These are two people that knew both of them.
 
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Killer B was even able to best Minato in battle was quick enough to save A and counter minato right on the spot minato didn't even notice that killer blade was to his stomach until it was to late you can see he lowered his head then noticed the blade to his gut . Killer b battle with itachi he even had help from naruto in a hand to hand combat and wasn't able to land a hit on him.


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A sick itachi was able to use a large scale of black flames and change the enivorment minato kunai would be made useless imagine healthy

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Minato didn't even know about tobi until it was to late , Itachi was able to notice his presence how do you notice the presence of someone who uses space time even tobi admitted he was the only one to.

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Minato 3 giant summonings were having problems with nagato dog summoning were itachi solo no effort.

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This here is the worst of the worst for minato Itachi had info ,intel , the 411 on him and his circle lol

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Minato has sealing techniques but so does Itachi the sword of totuska has sealing powers not just one sealing techniques

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1st off Itachi never wanted to be known he stated that himself

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Proof that itachi was secretive

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Kabuto how has 30 plus edo kg, sage mode, white snake power, healing abilties, medical ninja etc praised itachi

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Kabuto stated itachi was elite even amongst the elite uchiha clan

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Even the 5th hokage & oonoki were shock at who stop kabuto with the edos and oonoki stated who ever did do that , that there a hero itachi

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Killer b meeting itachi for the 1st time praised him as a wise & strong shinobi
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Your claiming tobi fooled itachi into believing he was a uchiha madara so did everyone one else that includes Minato, Kakashi , & Jiariya

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Your saying that Itachi couldn't beat itachi because tobi because told claimed he didn't have a nuff info sure bet you tobi didnt know itachi had shisui eye koto > tobi

Look how bad obito didn't want kabuto to even get shisui eye

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Please if your gonna throw out info please throw the whole thing
GOML

do you know what happen back there? did Bee really counter minato?
if bee really countered minato that time "WHY DID raikage A STILL THINKS MINATO WAS UNSURPASSABLE? AND WHY DID raikage A THINK HE WAS STILL STRONGER THAN BEE IN THAT CHAPTER WHERE HE TRIED TO STOP NARUTO AND BEE, IF BEE REALLY DEFEATED MINATO WHO TOYS WITH raikage A?"
 

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Bee said sasuke was probably the strongest guy he's fought, and bee has fought with minato....let that soak in for a bit
 

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Bee said sasuke was probably the strongest guy he's fought, and bee has fought with minato....let that soak in for a bit

and bee raped sasuke. bee trembles when he heared minatos name
 

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cloudsymph said:
in regards to the killer bee comment, i just had a look at it again (in japanese) cause i was sure that the translation used was pretty accurate.

今までやった奴らの中でも、あの写輪眼は一・二を争うぐらい強かったからな。

here's the japa text. says that - "because up to now, amoung all the guys i've fought, that sharingan was about one of the strongest i've fought".

just saying, for those that still argue that this is what he said.

KB: That Sharingan user was one of, if not THE strongest guy I've ever fought.
I guess I got caught up in the moment.

Some different trans.
 

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I understand that Minato is extremely powerful, and may even be able to best EMS Madara and current Obito, but I don't see why we should make such assumptions based on the fact that we don't have enough information about his abilities in Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Genjutsu and only know about his speed, stamina, summonings, seals and intelligence which isn't a lot to go on.
 

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Some different trans.
Varrah told me the raw translation is the best, and i found it logical since it's a japanese traduction word for words. But i'm not sure if it's true 100% but what do you think about it?
 

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Varrah told me the raw translation is the best, and i found it logical since it's a japanese traduction word for words. But i'm not sure if it's true 100% but what do you think about it?

I think that Killer B acknowledged Sasuke as one of the strongest he'd ever fought, most likely the strongest he'd ever faced in a 1 vs 1.
 

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I think that Killer B acknowledged Sasuke as one of the strongest he'd ever fought, most likely the strongest he'd ever faced in a 1 vs 1.
But it wasn't a 1vs1 since Sasuke was fighting in group ^^
 

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But it wasn't a 1vs1 since Sasuke was fighting in group ^^

When Bee said what he said, he was only referring to Sasuke, therefore not including Jūgo, Suigetsu or Karin. And in terms of 1 vs 1, i'm saying that Killer Bee was speaking as if he fought the opponent without back up like the Yondaime Raikage. I don't remember the manga stating that Bee fought Minato without A with him.
 

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When Bee said what he said, he was only referring to Sasuke, therefore not including Jūgo, Suigetsu or Karin. And in terms of 1 vs 1, i'm saying that Killer Bee was speaking as if he fought the opponent without back up like the Yondaime Raikage. I don't remember the manga stating that Bee fought Minato without A with him.
Fair enough. It's true that it's actually the contrary. A was the one fighting and Bee was acting as a support
 

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do you know what happen back there? did Bee really counter minato?
if bee really countered minato that time "WHY DID raikage A STILL THINKS MINATO WAS UNSURPASSABLE? AND WHY DID raikage A THINK HE WAS STILL STRONGER THAN BEE IN THAT CHAPTER WHERE HE TRIED TO STOP NARUTO AND BEE, IF BEE REALLY DEFEATED MINATO WHO TOYS WITH raikage A?"


Are you talking about the same A who flip flaps on his words.

He stated killer b has more talent then he does raikage
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Then goes on to say killer b Latriat is inferior

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So how credible can this guy be he flip flops on words all the time.
 
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U are right.

Feats its without a doubt Itachi > Minato
Hype its Minato > Itachi there is 0 doubt about that only someone with retarded perception skills would deny this
 

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+ rep, makes sense (no how will he counter that or this BS) simply making sense of the indications in the manga (the only hokage itachi can beat is tsunade).
 
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Itachi actually looks quite small compared to minato, especially sense everyone and their mother knows that obito would have killed itachi and everyone else in konaha with kurama when he attacked the village if minato didn't stop him, intelligent wise minato>itachi since all of minatos plans were pretty much successful where itachi failed,besides obito went against bee,naruto,gai,and kakashi and was holding his own just by utilizing kamui,and they were all struggling just figuring out how to hit him, while minato on the other hand figured out kamui in no time at all and whipped obito ass quite easily and did it single handily(and might i add did is after obito was just trained by madara who had passed down much of his skills and knowledge to obito plus upgraded him) , itachi has shown no feat to compare to that so intelligent wise minato>itachi,speed wise minato>itachi(clearly),ninjutsu wise minato=itachi(or itachi could be higher in that area but itachi has never created any ninjutsu of his own while minato created 3 of his own jutsus) so i say their equal, defence wise itachi>minato(clearly) genjutsu wise itachi>minato(clearly) handseal wise minato=itachi,because itachi had techniques that he could use in mid combat but so did minato(which is why minato created rasengan so he wouldn't have't to worry about making a handseal and giving his enemy an opening) so their equal in that area, strength minato=itachi, stamina wise minato>itachi,
 

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Are you talking about the same A who flip flaps on his words.

He stated killer b has more talent then he does raikage
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Then goes on to say killer b Latriat is inferior

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So how credible can this guy be he flip flops on words all the time.

it was in that chapter
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that A realize that bee was already surpassed him not when they fought minato.
A said that this kid has more talent but A is stronger than bee at that moment
 

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even kishimoto makes itachi face imperfect so that minato>itachi but others never realize it. in real life do you want that long line on your face lol :rofl:
 
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