Minato vs Hashirama
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Basically, FTG via throwing Kunai would be useless because Hashirama has prior knowledge of Minato's abilities. So he could either deflect the kunai with a wall of wood or just stay away from the kunai that Minato scatters about. If Minato does somehow land a marker on Hashirama this will be the moment when Minato is close enough for Hashirama to finish him.
If Minato gets too close then it's over. So, logically there's no point in him trying to put a marker on Hashirama to FTG him because the moment he puts his hand on Hashirama to apply the marker hashirama could just turn his body into spikes of wood via Mokuton, impaling Minato and killing him instantly.
MinatoFLASH
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LOL and i thought you were one of the logical thinkers.
First of all he can deflect kunai's with wood all he wants but in the end he wud run out of chakra.
Actually he still cannot stop it because even with prior knowledge no one cud stop it.
But I wud agree with you for the sake of debate.
But u do agree that without prior knowledge Hashirama cant win right?
Anyways back to the kunai deflecting. Once again his chakra wud be used over and over, and he will not be able to kill Minato, which was my question. HOW CAN HE KILL MINATO?
Next Minato was known for a genius he wouldn't get close without being careful and if he does, he can teleport away instantly before the spikes even come because FTG does not take ANYTIME, you can go to the other mark in less than .0000000001 second. So tell me, how wud Hashirama HAVE THE REFLEXES TO KNOW MINATO IS BEHIND HIM???! He wud instantly appear and.........stab! Its done...... he must now resort to healing, because Minato wud randomly appear and you cannot prove Hashirama has Bee's reflexes lol. And EVEN if he gets lucky and does the wood thing right when he about to stab, Minato a careful genius could just teleport away before making contact with the spikes INSTANTLY.
Not to mention show me where Hashirama has even made instant spikes all of a sudden that can kill someone??? Plz
So tell me how he wud notice Minato?? How will he attack him?? How will he kill him??
Plz don't be biased.
Hashirama does not have the reflexes to notice him instantly and Minato is too careful and hashi cant hit him meaning all the advantage is with Minato in a 1v1! In feats though I agree Hashi>Minato.
Do you agree in a 1v1 Minato>Hashi, especially without knowledge for the 2??
A logical and non-biased thinker wud say yes lol.
I think my argument was better LOL xdLOL and i thought you were one of the logical thinkers.
First of all he can deflect kunai's with wood all he wants but in the end he wud run out of chakra.
Actually he still cannot stop it because even with prior knowledge no one cud stop it.
But I wud agree with you for the sake of debate.
But u do agree that without prior knowledge Hashirama cant win right?
Anyways back to the kunai deflecting. Once again his chakra wud be used over and over, and he will not be able to kill Minato, which was my question. HOW CAN HE KILL MINATO?
Next Minato was known for a genius he wouldn't get close without being careful and if he does, he can teleport away instantly before the spikes even come because FTG does not take ANYTIME, you can go to the other mark in less than .0000000001 second. So tell me, how wud Hashirama HAVE THE REFLEXES TO KNOW MINATO IS BEHIND HIM???! He wud instantly appear and.........stab! Its done...... he must now resort to healing, because Minato wud randomly appear and you cannot prove Hashirama has Bee's reflexes lol. And EVEN if he gets lucky and does the wood thing right when he about to stab, Minato a careful genius could just teleport away before making contact with the spikes INSTANTLY.
Not to mention show me where Hashirama has even made instant spikes all of a sudden that can kill someone??? Plz
So tell me how he wud notice Minato?? How will he attack him?? How will he kill him??
Plz don't be biased.
Hashirama does not have the reflexes to notice him instantly and Minato is too careful and hashi cant hit him meaning all the advantage is with Minato in a 1v1! In feats though I agree Hashi>Minato.
Do you agree in a 1v1 Minato>Hashi, especially without knowledge for the 2??
A logical and non-biased thinker wud say yes lol.
Well he was right in something your are being biased in this fight, he made clearly good arguments.
Hashirama doesnt possess high lvl reflexes until manga proves that, while Minato has feats on that.
MinatoFLASH
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Unless you have some kind of mental issue, u can easily see that i CLEARLY countered all of your points.
Such as he wont have enough reflexes, you still haven't showed me Hashi killing some one with wood spikes, also you still haven't answered my question on how the 1st wud hit him. I am sry, u lose this one. Without knowledge in a 1v1 hashi has almost no chance, with knowledge...a little more of chance but how wud he hit Minato?
Anyways, you can either be a man and accept the truth or just whine.
I am out
peace.:scorps:
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TouchMyMangos
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Are you serious?LOL and i thought you were one of the logical thinkers.
First of all he can deflect kunai's with wood all he wants but in the end he wud run out of chakra.
Actually he still cannot stop it because even with prior knowledge no one cud stop it.
But I wud agree with you for the sake of debate.
But u do agree that without prior knowledge Hashirama cant win right?
Anyways back to the kunai deflecting. Once again his chakra wud be used over and over, and he will not be able to kill Minato, which was my question. HOW CAN HE KILL MINATO?
Next Minato was known for a genius he wouldn't get close without being careful and if he does, he can teleport away instantly before the spikes even come because FTG does not take ANYTIME, you can go to the other mark in less than .0000000001 second. So tell me, how wud Hashirama HAVE THE REFLEXES TO KNOW MINATO IS BEHIND HIM???! He wud instantly appear and.........stab! Its done...... he must now resort to healing, because Minato wud randomly appear and you cannot prove Hashirama has Bee's reflexes lol. And EVEN if he gets lucky and does the wood thing right when he about to stab, Minato a careful genius could just teleport away before making contact with the spikes INSTANTLY.
Not to mention show me where Hashirama has even made instant spikes all of a sudden that can kill someone??? Plz
So tell me how he wud notice Minato?? How will he attack him?? How will he kill him??
Plz don't be biased.
Hashirama does not have the reflexes to notice him instantly and Minato is too careful and hashi cant hit him meaning all the advantage is with Minato in a 1v1! In feats though I agree Hashi>Minato.
Do you agree in a 1v1 Minato>Hashi, especially without knowledge for the 2??
A logical and non-biased thinker wud say yes lol.
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USSJ Future Trunks
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minato is too fast to be restrained by wood (he doesnt even need kunais. just physically placing seals on the ground is enough). he has half of kyuubis power. he has intel on mokuton (naruto met and saw yamato fight and minato saw everything from inside naruto). he has space time barrier to teleport flower tree world. sensing by placing a finger on the ground to counter darkness genjutsu. food cart destroyer to smash a path through the forest. gamabunta's giant knife to cut the trees. dead demon seal if nothing else works.
minato technically cant lose a fight because if he gets in troube he just uses dead demon seal.
Shikamaru vs. Tamari, Shikamaru vs. sound ninja (chunin exam), Shikamaru vs. Hidan, Naruto clone vs. 3rd Raikage, SM Naruto+ BM Naruto vs. Bijuus 2-7, Sasuke vs. Deidara, Sasuke vs. Danzo.
no he wasnt. in his era, his brother was around. and the reason he was number 1 was controlling tailed beasts with his necklace. useless in this fight.
well hiruzen was being constantly attacked by hashirama and he was able to do it. all minato needs to do is summon toads to stall for him/hold hashirama down.
no one has as it never happened
food cart destroyer, toad oil bullet
i wasnt aware he has been shown to heal a blow to the face without a brain to command his body to heal him. show me this feat
because only EMS madara was around 80 years ago. and kakuzu didnt have earth grudge fear
hashirama can absorb metal?
why would it be game over? minato senses people using one finger on the ground
by cutting their head off or sealing their soul. not having to use seals isnt necessarily an advantage
lol no.
at least minato has tangible concrete feats, and even more impressive hype. flee on sight anyone?
no it doesnt. naruto cant tame shukaku, but 4th kazekage can. ergo 4th > naruto? that makes no sense. hashirama happens to be born with a unique ability to supress bijuus. minato got by on pure raw hard work and intelligence.
minato technically cant lose a fight because if he gets in troube he just uses dead demon seal.
smarts can beat power.
Shikamaru vs. Tamari, Shikamaru vs. sound ninja (chunin exam), Shikamaru vs. Hidan, Naruto clone vs. 3rd Raikage, SM Naruto+ BM Naruto vs. Bijuus 2-7, Sasuke vs. Deidara, Sasuke vs. Danzo.
we dont know shit about hashirama except a few jutsu others use using his cells
theres a reason mnato had a sign on him that said "flee on sight" and why raikage thought there was never a man who surpassed him. jiraiya said everyone pales in comparison to minato. having your power being called a legend is nothing new.
wheres it said it was easy? wheres it stated it was all of them?
wrong. madara unlocked rinnegan several decades after fighting hashirama.
but its a hint only. we see minato actually performing them.
everyone pales in comparison to mr flee on sight.
lol minato has actually fought in full scale battles. hashirama was stomped quickly by a 70 year old
yeah and also the fact he saw everything from inside naruto. so he knows how to fight rinnegan and sharingan since naruto does.
you said all that and still compared itachi to him. itachi is weaker FFS
no but hes top 6. and no hashirama doesnt.
scans of wood being able to do this. also minatos kunais will slice the wood. after all they sliced a hachibi tentacle
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iknowwhotobiis
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Not gonna bother reading the responses and my apologies if someone already brought this up. Hashi - no difficulty Why?! Well his wood clones cannot be seen unless you have sharingan. (madara has stated he was the only one who could counter hashi´s wood cloens) So hashi would just hide inside a tree and use clones until he understands how ftg works then KO minato.
USSJ Future Trunks
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isnt that how naruto fights? spam clones and figure out the opponents jutsu then KO them? minato is not an idiot. he will not fall for cheap tricks.
Minato wins with the Hakke Fuin Shiki from the start of the fight. Since Minato summoned it when he was very far from Kurama, it can seal from such distances.
Also if he doesn't go for that, it would be quite easy to close the distance on Hashirama and mark him before he creates forests or casts genjutsu as such is what Minato is known for.
and Hashirama starts fights with taijutsu as seen against Hiruzen and valley of the end battle.
If Hashirama makes such forest, he can summon Bunta and have the large toad leap over the dense forest, destroy flowers by sitting on them, water bullets or spewing oil on time then have Minato ignite them with explosive notes and since he's jumping very very high(like he did against Shukaku, he'll be over the pollen) jump to reach Hashirama then mark him and such or ST barrier branches coming his direction. And if Minato has Bunta oil the whole forest and he sets it on fire, the smoke inhalation will kill Hashirama as his forest becomes his own undoing.
Though if Hashirama gets him with the bringer of darkness, his finger sensing will only get him so far. It can be decieved with clones, he'll lose.(Stupid OP genjutsu!) Though there is hope, Itachi the man with the fastest hand seals was stopped from forming seals by Sasuke's shuriken attack, and genjutsu of darkness is short to mid range and requires seals so if Minato were to attack him speedily with kunai he'll have to dodge and stop forming seals and if he dodges, Minato will still teleport and end him by decapitation which can't be healed. Even with this strategy there's the potential of wood clones which require only one seal and form quickly if there's already forests around as seen with Madara's usage. Which is why scenario 1 is Minato's only chance, if the battle drags on and goes long range it goes less and less in his favor from what we've seen him do.
Also if he doesn't go for that, it would be quite easy to close the distance on Hashirama and mark him before he creates forests or casts genjutsu as such is what Minato is known for.
and Hashirama starts fights with taijutsu as seen against Hiruzen and valley of the end battle.
If Hashirama makes such forest, he can summon Bunta and have the large toad leap over the dense forest, destroy flowers by sitting on them, water bullets or spewing oil on time then have Minato ignite them with explosive notes and since he's jumping very very high(like he did against Shukaku, he'll be over the pollen) jump to reach Hashirama then mark him and such or ST barrier branches coming his direction. And if Minato has Bunta oil the whole forest and he sets it on fire, the smoke inhalation will kill Hashirama as his forest becomes his own undoing.
Though if Hashirama gets him with the bringer of darkness, his finger sensing will only get him so far. It can be decieved with clones, he'll lose.(Stupid OP genjutsu!) Though there is hope, Itachi the man with the fastest hand seals was stopped from forming seals by Sasuke's shuriken attack, and genjutsu of darkness is short to mid range and requires seals so if Minato were to attack him speedily with kunai he'll have to dodge and stop forming seals and if he dodges, Minato will still teleport and end him by decapitation which can't be healed. Even with this strategy there's the potential of wood clones which require only one seal and form quickly if there's already forests around as seen with Madara's usage. Which is why scenario 1 is Minato's only chance, if the battle drags on and goes long range it goes less and less in his favor from what we've seen him do.
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Mmm Gonna write a long wall of text
First i am gonna underline some common errors i've saw in the discussion
1) mokuton can't control tailed beasts: it can only restrain them, in a similar way to kushina's chakra: the evidence is in the fact that the kyubi had to be sealed in mito uzumaki after shodaime defeated madara
2) When Madare faced SHodai he did not have mokuton, rinnegan and perfect susano: those powers probably come from the fusion of uchika dna vs senju dna
3) it is wrong to compare edomadara mokuton use to hashirama's one: i've seen people stating: spam mokuton bunshin then jukai koutan ecc ecc
Madara did this because he was and edo tensei and therefore he had infinite chakra
4) when shodaime faced madara he had alrdy given the tailed beasts to other villages therefore he faced madara alone
Let's analyze both hashirama's and minato's features: to simplify the things i am gonna use a scale from D to A++ (d,c,b,a,a+ ecc ecc)
Hashirama: Offensive power:B/A mokuton is not the exactly the fastest attack around( naruto could speak to kurama, summon clones, form rasengans and counter the jutsu before it arrived) and probabily doesn't istantly kill a guy when it comes in contact: isee minato easily evading being choked or grinded by wood as long as he has some seals placed somewhere
Defensive power:A/A+ Mokuton must be able to stand to Madara's Normal Susano, probably the TTB and the massive force of kurama
He also should have some kind of no seal heal jutsu, but as long as we don't know if hashi used some kind of seal ( like tsunade) i expect it to work like kabuto's one ( Naruto vs Kabuto) even if in a better way and supported by way more chakra
Speed:B Nothing special there
Chakra reserves:A++: i expect it to be about 150%+ of naruto's ones
Intellingence: B/A I don't think he is stupid
Minato
Offensive power: B
Until we see some spectacular tech the best offensive jutsus minato has is his rasengan which is about the size of an odama rasengan and the food chart destroyer tech, both supported by the usage of FTG
Defensive power: A Space-time barrier, FTG to avoid dmg
Speed: A++ no brainer
Chakra reserves:A as shown by the fight between tobi and kurama minato actually posseses very strong chakra reserves, comparable to naruto's ones
He teleported Kurama, two tailed beast balls, summoned gamabunta, kept kyubi in place while kushina was giving birth to naruto, rasenganed tobi, contract seal on tobi, eight trigram seal on the kuybi, shiki fujin and FTG
Intelligence: A+ no brainer: great analytical skill especially in stressing moments
Let's go ahead to the fight: i see hashirama shaping the battlefield to his own will but unable to land a killing blow on minato as long as he spreads kunais and seals and keeps FTG away
AT the same time the only way for Minato to kill hashirama is to cut his head or rasengan him in the face, the other damage he can do can be healed at least 3-4 times ( not more assuming hashirama does not store chakra in some seal)
I see chakra reserves of both the hokages going down at the same rate: it is true that hashi as more chakra than minato but the mokuton surely takes out more chakra than the FTG which is used to evade the former
It all comes to whether minato can tag hashirama or not: if the shodai gets tagged he is dead since minato can simply keep slamming him with rasengans until he has no chakra because shodai won't have the reflexes to react
If minato charges frontally i can assume shodai has the time to wall himself
The genjutsu is, imo, unuseful as minato would simply FTG away
I say 50% minato 50% shodai
First i am gonna underline some common errors i've saw in the discussion
1) mokuton can't control tailed beasts: it can only restrain them, in a similar way to kushina's chakra: the evidence is in the fact that the kyubi had to be sealed in mito uzumaki after shodaime defeated madara
2) When Madare faced SHodai he did not have mokuton, rinnegan and perfect susano: those powers probably come from the fusion of uchika dna vs senju dna
3) it is wrong to compare edomadara mokuton use to hashirama's one: i've seen people stating: spam mokuton bunshin then jukai koutan ecc ecc
Madara did this because he was and edo tensei and therefore he had infinite chakra
4) when shodaime faced madara he had alrdy given the tailed beasts to other villages therefore he faced madara alone
Let's analyze both hashirama's and minato's features: to simplify the things i am gonna use a scale from D to A++ (d,c,b,a,a+ ecc ecc)
Hashirama: Offensive power:B/A mokuton is not the exactly the fastest attack around( naruto could speak to kurama, summon clones, form rasengans and counter the jutsu before it arrived) and probabily doesn't istantly kill a guy when it comes in contact: isee minato easily evading being choked or grinded by wood as long as he has some seals placed somewhere
Defensive power:A/A+ Mokuton must be able to stand to Madara's Normal Susano, probably the TTB and the massive force of kurama
He also should have some kind of no seal heal jutsu, but as long as we don't know if hashi used some kind of seal ( like tsunade) i expect it to work like kabuto's one ( Naruto vs Kabuto) even if in a better way and supported by way more chakra
Speed:B Nothing special there
Chakra reserves:A++: i expect it to be about 150%+ of naruto's ones
Intellingence: B/A I don't think he is stupid
Minato
Offensive power: B
Until we see some spectacular tech the best offensive jutsus minato has is his rasengan which is about the size of an odama rasengan and the food chart destroyer tech, both supported by the usage of FTG
Defensive power: A Space-time barrier, FTG to avoid dmg
Speed: A++ no brainer
Chakra reserves:A as shown by the fight between tobi and kurama minato actually posseses very strong chakra reserves, comparable to naruto's ones
He teleported Kurama, two tailed beast balls, summoned gamabunta, kept kyubi in place while kushina was giving birth to naruto, rasenganed tobi, contract seal on tobi, eight trigram seal on the kuybi, shiki fujin and FTG
Intelligence: A+ no brainer: great analytical skill especially in stressing moments
Let's go ahead to the fight: i see hashirama shaping the battlefield to his own will but unable to land a killing blow on minato as long as he spreads kunais and seals and keeps FTG away
AT the same time the only way for Minato to kill hashirama is to cut his head or rasengan him in the face, the other damage he can do can be healed at least 3-4 times ( not more assuming hashirama does not store chakra in some seal)
I see chakra reserves of both the hokages going down at the same rate: it is true that hashi as more chakra than minato but the mokuton surely takes out more chakra than the FTG which is used to evade the former
It all comes to whether minato can tag hashirama or not: if the shodai gets tagged he is dead since minato can simply keep slamming him with rasengans until he has no chakra because shodai won't have the reflexes to react
If minato charges frontally i can assume shodai has the time to wall himself
The genjutsu is, imo, unuseful as minato would simply FTG away
I say 50% minato 50% shodai
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narutownsyouall
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I looked at this then i went to youtube just to watch the trailer for The Amazing Spiderman just so i could make myself feel better.
Hashirama would have no problem with Minato. If Bunta were to leap or even attempt it he would die a terrible death. Massive trees>Any summon
How is Minato going to get to someone who can make a forest in an instant? Hashirama will have plenty of clones out that are super OP and Minato can not do crap to Hashirama in close range since Hashirama's Mokuton can come from his body and that he used weapons such as swords, Which own anybody with a kunai.
Minato is not going to be able to sit there and fight Hashirama when there's pollen. Gambunta will be destroyed, Both Kurama and The ultimate Susnoo destroy Gambunta and Mokuton>Kurama+Susanoo
Kira was Righteous
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Hashirama with Flower world he cant use FTG around the battlefield to attack him.The Yellow Flash is a beast but Hashirama would take this i think