Then you better try and argue that he was inconsistent with Minato staying still to enter it, cause a chapter after entering it he has Minato say that he can't enter it quickly.
Exactly, while minato pigments were appearing on his face, there were dozens of motion likes in that panel. So I don't know what kishi was trying to do there but by no means was he consistent.
Lol, I read what you said, and it has a lot of wrong things, to put it in a nice way. Let's start with what you said
Frog Song has shown a limited range. Pain wasn't affected despite it being used right near them, so its not going to affect Madara on top of a Mountain tall construct.
1- That was NOT frog song, but FROG CALL. That is just a translation error
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2- Since it's a different jutsu, and the sound was not meant to hit anything but the summons, both of your point are wrong.
and I found it extremely laughable that you think PS attacks will kill Minato's and he won't be able to do a thing. Do you also think Madara's PS is stronger than the Juubi's attack? XD
or perhaps you think Hashirama is faster than Minato since the former was able to react and use his jutsus? Lol
Genjutsu isn't even a factor here, neither are Minato's toad summons.
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That kills every Toad Summon with a Mountain cutting Sword Slash and the second one obliterates Minato just like it obliterated the landscape.
3. He arrived at Naruto's location and warped the Bijuu Dama to sea.
Its impossible for him to have done 3 before 2 since he never left Naruto's location after arriving.
None of these show me why Madara can't track his speed, giving me feats that Minato completed off panel literally tells me nothing but the fact that he's faster than Tobirama, Hashirama, or Hiruzen, doesn't mean that his speed can't be reacted to.
really now? Are we really going to do this? Minato explicitly stated it takes too long for him to gather the Nature Energy to form the Senjutsu Chakra, yet you are telling me otherwise? I think I'll believe Minato over you anyday. And this is where you are wrong. Not only are you going against Minato's words, you are going against common sense
The Manga chapter is evidence that it did not take him long. The length of time it takes him to use it is 'too long'' for his style of fighting. His fighting style is taking opponents down as fast as possible with his FTG + Kill Blow which works 99.99% of the time, hence why he never needed to use senjutsu. I am telling you otherwise and going against Kishis words with evidence to back it up. Kishi says things like that all the time and most of the time they turn out to be disproved in fights in the manga.
• Amaterasu for example. Kishi said they are as hot as the sun and burns whatever thats caught completely to ash. Do you seriously believe that? Just because Kishi said so? If the flames were as hot as the sun the heat would burn the entire earth and all existence would be lost instantly! If they burned whatever they caught to ash then why did it not burn Karin to ash when she got hit by it? Why did it not turn the Samurai to ash who were burning for some time until Gaara and company arrived, better yet, why didn't it burn the armor they were wearing completely to ash? Why did the flames just sit on Ays forearm and not spread, burning him out of existence?
Simple proof that everything Kishi says is not true, most is. When the fights scenes he draws contradicts his own words what will you believe, what you see in a fight or what he said? If you need to think about it just reread that Amaterasu point.
Its not like it matters how long he can hold his Sage Mode, cause its irrelevant when fighting Madara since SM doesn't increase his DC to a level where he can pressure Madara, nor will it do any good for his speed as he already has Hiraishin. Sensing is pointless since PS's
It makes a big difference on how long he can hold sage mode obviously because sage mode = more chakra. The slash of the sword is in 1 direction (I dislike those guys music =D). Your trying to convince me that Minato cannot escape an attack coming at him in 1 direction with his FTG? Seriously?
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They gather Nature Energy for him, they don't gather Senjutsu Chakra. So when Minato's normal chakra runs out and he can't balance it with the Nature Energy, he either has them stop gathering it or he'll turn into a Toad. By no means does he have a near infinite amount of chakra.
I said he would have a near infinite amount of chakra for this battle, meaning in this fight he will not run out. Minato has enormous reserve's of chakra. You disagree?
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With his enormous amounts of chakra along with senjutsu chakra, hes certainly not him burning out before Madara.
Hahaha...no. They knew about the Rinnegan. They didn't know it existed nor did they know its jutsu. So there is nothing implying (Even if they did know) that they have intel on Madara's EMS and his jutsu. Baseless claim.
I never said they knew the rinnegans jutsu or about Madaras jutsu. I said they were over 800 years old and have vast amount of experience and knowledge. Because of that they would at least know about the MS, and if not they just need to see a jutsu to know how to counter it. Pa already knew when he was first summoned that the Rinnegan can use the most powerful eye jutsu, before even fighting against it:
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He could not have just knew that from no where obviously and that's where their knowledge and experience come into works in this fight.
PS took Bijuu Dama, so this isn't scratching it.
Same as above. Not even gonna bother mentioning that PS is too large to wrap her tongue around, also not gonna mention how even if it was large enough, PS would just chop her tongue off and kill Minato with a second strike.
It did tank a BijuuDama. Madara cant just activate PS in time enough to react to FTG. Your speaking about Madara as if he can maintain his PS for the entire duration of this fight. Just keeping it active hurts every cell in the users body and consumes chakra. Link me something showing Sasuke, Itachi, or Madara fighting with Susanoo for an entire fight. You can't because it has never happened. They all periodically release their Susanoo when its not absolutely necessary to use because the pain and drain it takes on them. When he releases his PS, whether releasing it completely or just bringing it down to regular Susanoo, that's an opening for Minato.
How will such a huge straightforward slash hit agile toads who can jump very high and maneuver around Madaras attacks? What happens if He uses Bringing Down the House to pin PS down just like he did against Kurama? You're arguing that this PS (which he cant even hold active for the entire battle) will just make mincemeat of these battle trained toads who can also use jutsu and evade attacks? Come on man. I agree, PS can defeat these toads, that's without a doubt but its not as easy and certainly not as fast as you make it out to be. They are roughly half the size of PS. By your logic ''Ma summons the toads, one swing and they are all lunch''.... seriously.... come on man. Not even going to talk about how Minato evades that.
Lol, when Minato can fight 24 hours straight, come get me. ''
Wrong, he fought Hashirama for
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w/o Kurama. He can control Kurama for extended periods of time, and he can call a Mountain sized chakra construct. He has more chakra than Minato, though it doesn't matter, cause Minato will die in about a minute or two after PS's activation.
I already showed the screen above that proves Minato has enormous amounts of chakra. When he fought versus Hashirama for 24 hours he did not have the PS then. He does not have more chakra than Minato. He couldn't even use Sage Mode. That's evidence enough. To even draw in natural energy you need enormous amounts of chakra. Jiriaya and Minato did this and neither of them were reincarnations of Ashura. Madara could not even do this and he was Indras reincarnation. Also, every shinboi in the alliance (the few that are still alive) have been fighting for over 48 hours so by that logic does that mean they all have more chakra than Madara too? Come on man.
I already said many times in this post that Madara cannot keep PS stable let alone active for this entire fight because he does not have the chakra to do so. It will get released and when it does he will be swiftly defeated. Worst of all, you think this fight will end in 1-2 minutes and that Madara has the chakra to even fight with PS for the whole fight. I don't even think you are serious about this anymore.
The Manga chapter is evidence that it did not take him long. The length of time it takes him to use it is 'too long'' for his style of fighting. His fighting style is taking opponents down as fast as possible with his FTG + Kill Blow which works 99.99% of the time, hence why he never needed to use senjutsu. I am telling you otherwise and going against Kishis words with evidence to back it up. Kishi says things like that all the time and most of the time they turn out to be disproved in fights in the manga.
In addition to this statement, another thing that should be considered is what exactly did Minato mean by "too long". "Too long" is too vague for people to just assume with their own time standards. Let's not forget that Minato was once the FASTEST MAN ALIVE! His fights never lasted long, his fighting style involves FTG and then blitzing opponents in the blink of an eye. So by Minato's standards, "too long" could mean 10 seconds for all we know.
Usain Bolt could run the 100m in 12 seconds but by his standards that may be extremely slow, while to others that is very fast.
Hashirama and Naruto take about 3-5 seconds to enter sage mode, so lets say it takes Minato double that time. For him that may be "too long". Would explain why he hardly uses sm in battle, because he could wipe out opponents so fast that SM becomes pointless.
In addition to this statement, another thing that should be considered is what exactly did Minato mean by "too long". "Too long" is too vague for people to just assume with their own time standards. Let's not forget that Minato was once the FASTEST MAN ALIVE! His fights never lasted long, his fighting style involves FTG and then blitzing opponents in the blink of an eye. So by Minato's standards, "too long" could mean 10 seconds for all we know.
Usain Bolt could run the 100m in 12 seconds but by his standards that may be extremely slow, while to others that is very fast.
Hashirama and Naruto take about 3-5 seconds to enter sage mode, so lets say it takes Minato double that time. For him that may be "too long". Would explain why he hardly uses sm in battle, because he could wipe out opponents so fast that SM becomes pointless.
Interesting arguments on both sides. I think in the end it comes down to experience. Madara has the upper hand in this department, so I believe in the end he would prevail over Minato.
But to people saying Minato is a "fodder" compared to Madara are seriously off their rocker. Of course it would be easier for Madara if he has Kurama, be he does not, so high-extreme diff Madara IMO. It's like some people look at the thread title and pick a character and don't seriously consider all of the abilities the other character has. I mean, this is no Sakura vs. Gaara thread where you can just say "this character stomps" ("Gaara stomps" in that case), these are two serious combatants here.
The Manga chapter is evidence that it did not take him long. The length of time it takes him to use it is 'too long'' for his style of fighting. His fighting style is taking opponents down as fast as possible with his FTG + Kill Blow which works 99.99% of the time, hence why he never needed to use senjutsu. I am telling you otherwise and going against Kishis words with evidence to back it up. Kishi says things like that all the time and most of the time they turn out to be disproved in fights in the manga.
Too long means too long. I don't know where you guys got this "Its relative to Minato's fighting style" nonsense from. A few seconds (Like some people claim) isn't long for anyone let alone too long. Minato said that he's not good at Senjutsu because it takes too long. That wouldn't be an applicable reason for him not being good at it if the only reason he said it took too long is due to his speedy fighting style.
The bold is enough for me to stop taking you seriously. Kishimoto stated something through his manga so its a fact, its superior to whatever interpretation his fans make by reading the manga.
• Amaterasu for example. Kishi said they are as hot as the sun and burns whatever thats caught completely to ash. Do you seriously believe that? Just because Kishi said so? If the flames were as hot as the sun the heat would burn the entire earth and all existence would be lost instantly! If they burned whatever they caught to ash then why did it not burn Karin to ash when she got hit by it? Why did it not turn the Samurai to ash who were burning for some time until Gaara and company arrived, better yet, why didn't it burn the armor they were wearing completely to ash? Why did the flames just sit on Ays forearm and not spread, burning him out of existence?
Simple proof that everything Kishi says is not true, most is. When the fights scenes he draws contradicts his own words what will you believe, what you see in a fight or what he said? If you need to think about it just reread that Amaterasu point.
The fact you actually think Kishimoto had Minato enter it quickly only to have him say the next chapter "I cant enter it quickly" is laughable. Laughable indeed. Though its not like I care about this point as Sage Mode doesn't do anything for Minato anyway.
It makes a big difference on how long he can hold sage mode obviously because sage mode = more chakra. The slash of the sword is in 1 direction (I dislike those guys music =D). Your trying to convince me that Minato cannot escape an attack coming at him in 1 direction with his FTG? Seriously?
So, your evidence that he can dodge it is that its in one direction? Lmao, not even sure if serious. The fact its in one direction doesn't change the fact its too widespread for him to evade on foot, and unless he has tags away behind Susanoo, he's going to get hit. Even if he has Kunai set so he can evade it, PS destroyed the landscape and blew shit all over the place. The same will happen to Minato's Kunai.
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I said he would have a near infinite amount of chakra for this battle, meaning in this fight he will not run out. Minato has enormous reserve's of chakra. You disagree?
No, I don't. Chakra won't be an issue here at all.
I never said they knew the rinnegans jutsu or about Madaras jutsu. I said they were over 800 years old and have vast amount of experience and knowledge. Because of that they would at least know about the MS, and if not they just need to see a jutsu to know how to counter it. Pa already knew when he was first summoned that the Rinnegan can use the most powerful eye jutsu, before even fighting against it:
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He could not have just knew that from no where obviously and that's where their knowledge and experience come into works in this fight.
It did tank a BijuuDama. Madara cant just activate PS in time enough to react to FTG. Your speaking about Madara as if he can maintain his PS for the entire duration of this fight. Just keeping it active hurts every cell in the users body and consumes chakra. Link me something showing Sasuke, Itachi, or Madara fighting with Susanoo for an entire fight. You can't because it has never happened. They all periodically release their Susanoo when its not absolutely necessary to use because the pain and drain it takes on them. When he releases his PS, whether releasing it completely or just bringing it down to regular Susanoo, that's an opening for Minato.
He doesn't need to react to Hiraishin, he only needs to react to Minato's movements, but then again, that's assuming he waits till Minato is right in his face to retaliate.
The bold only applies for MS users, not EMS users, who receive no strain from using MS jutsu.
Sasuke isn't Madara.
Itachi isn't Madara.
Madara fought for 24 hours straight, he's going to be able to use PS for at least 5 minutes, which is all that is needed to kill Minato. You keep on asking me for "proof" and "evidence" Yet I see none from you.
Uchiha usually have large powerful chakra. Madara had the greatest his clan has ever seen.
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Can control Kurama (Bijuu control is stated to take a lot of chakra)
Can use PS and Kurama at the same time for a brief period of time.
Yet we have this guy saying that PS alone is an issue for Madara? Lmao, stop. Just stop.
Same as above, you still think he can stay in PS for a whole fight, when he cannot.
"Whole fight" is nothing but a subjective phrase. The fight's length is determined by the strength of the combatants. And since Minato can't evade PS slashes, once its called, Madara swings his blades a few times and Minato dies.
How will such a huge straightforward slash hit agile toads who can jump very high and maneuver around Madaras attacks? What happens if He uses Bringing Down the House to pin PS down just like he did against Kurama? You're arguing that this PS (which he cant even hold active for the entire battle) will just make mincemeat of these battle trained toads who can also use jutsu and evade attacks? Come on man. I agree, PS can defeat these toads, that's without a doubt but its not as easy and certainly not as fast as you make it out to be. They are roughly half the size of PS. By your logic ''Ma summons the toads, one swing and they are all lunch''.... seriously.... come on man. Not even going to talk about how Minato evades that.
-Tells me Toads will be able to jump high enough to dodge it despite no toad having a jumping feat that high.
-Did the above in a split second.
-Tells me that the Toads will be able to jump that high, that fast.
-PS dwarfs Bijuu, thus dwarfing any Toad.
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PS is much larger than them, so its much larger than any toad or Bijuu.
-Tells me that Toads will pin PS.
I'm debating whether or not I should even take you seriously from now on.
I already showed the screen above that proves Minato has enormous amounts of chakra. When he fought versus Hashirama for 24 hours he did not have the PS then. He does not have more chakra than Minato. He couldn't even use Sage Mode. That's evidence enough. To even draw in natural energy you need enormous amounts of chakra. Jiriaya and Minato did this and neither of them were reincarnations of Ashura. Madara could not even do this and he was Indras reincarnation. Also, every shinboi in the alliance (the few that are still alive) have been fighting for over 48 hours so by that logic does that mean they all have more chakra than Madara too? Come on man.
-Not having more chakra than Minato is irrelevant to the point.
-Not having PS is irrelevant to the point as he's not fighting Minato with PS for 24 hours.
-He never tried to learn Sage Mode. What kind of half-assed argument is this? Go get me proof that Madara ever tried and failed to learn Sage Mode and then we'll have a debate on this point. Until then, you are merely making stuff up.
Naruto has passed them chakra multiple times. Sorry pal.
I already said many times in this post that Madara cannot keep PS stable let alone active for this entire fight because he does not have the chakra to do so. It will get released and when it does he will be swiftly defeated. Worst of all, you think this fight will end in 1-2 minutes and that Madara has the chakra to even fight with PS for the whole fight. I don't even think you are serious about this anymore.
Since you didn't read as well as I thought you did, your point is irrelevant.
and I found it extremely laughable that you think PS attacks will kill Minato's and he won't be able to do a thing. Do you also think Madara's PS is stronger than the Juubi's attack? XD
Well you see,some people would try to go along with Minato's statement and some would try to ride on what GL said so it is a matter of opinion IMO.As you already know this kind of cases are not new in our base.
People disagreeing with a statement made by Minato himself to agree with what a person who only reads the manga isn't them choosing one opinion over another, its them choosing opinion over fact.
Concerning the sage mode activation argument, whether or not we choose to accept it, Minato's statement is relevant to solely Minato. In this, as InvisibleMan and Gold Lighting touched on, taking too long to draw in natural energy can mean a few things. It can mean that it takes too long for him to draw it in during live combat(over a minute, for example). It can also mean that since he normally closes fights within seconds, taking time to draw in a usable amount of sage energy would be a fruitless endeavor. We're applying what was stated(speed to enter SM), without comparing it to Minato's fighting style and standards.
Before obviously since Minato is far faster than Madara, and he will use his jutsus before madara. Try to use some
common sense a little, how can the slower one use his attack before the faster guy? XD
I can say that would madara use his sword before or after Minato cut his head off?
He can't redirect a sword slash with S/T Barrier. Only shown to be used on projectiles (given how it works) So this is another irrelevant point.
XD, XD
bring a proof that S/T barrier can't redirect his attacks, your baseless statements does not worth anything without a proof. Where did it say that his slashes is anti-S/T jutsus, or did you pull that out of your ..... ? :yeah:
- No, what was shown that everything in its way get teleported, no where was stated or shown that ONLY a projectiles get teleported, get your fact straight.
That's as bullshit as stating that the PS only showed to destroy rocks, so it won't kill Minato even if it his him because madara was not able to kill the Kogake with it.
anyways, bring proof or no need to go with your baseless assumption. :erm:
It won't reach. That's my whole point, and the manga shows this. Don't mention the Genjutsu, cause I never referred to that to begin with.
No, the manga did not show such nonsense. What the manga showed is even the Gokage without "screaming" were able to talk to madara and he talked back to them. If the sound does not reach him, how on God's earth did he reply to them??? :|
XD, XD
bring a proof that S/T barrier can't redirect his attacks, your baseless statements does not worth anything without a proof. Where did it say that his slashes is anti-S/T jutsus, or did you pull that out of your ..... ? :yeah:
- No, what was shown that everything in its way get teleported, no where was stated or shown that ONLY a projectiles get teleported, get your fact straight.
That's as bullshit as stating that the PS only showed to destroy rocks, so it won't kill Minato even if it his him because madara was not able to kill the Kogake with it.
anyways, bring proof or no need to go with your baseless assumption. :erm:
Don't need to. It works by sucking in attacks and sending them back. He can't suck in the sword as it hasn't been released and shot towards his barrier, thus he can't redirect it, thus he can't block it.
Sorry pal. Only projectiles have been warped via S/T Barrier. Nothing else. So I have no reason to believe anything else can be warped given the jutsu's workings. Not gonna reply to this part again as I don't feel like repeating myself, and I've already seen how you wank Minato (On here and on NF)
No, the manga did not show such nonsense. What the manga showed is even the Gokage without "screaming" were able to talk to madara and he talked back to them. If the sound does not reach him, how on God's earth did he reply to them??? :|
Too long means too long. I don't know where you guys got this "Its relative to Minato's fighting style" nonsense from. A few seconds (Like some people claim) isn't long for anyone let alone too long. Minato said that he's not good at Senjutsu because it takes too long. That wouldn't be an applicable reason for him not being good at it if the only reason he said it took too long is due to his speedy fighting style. The bold is enough for me to stop taking you seriously. Kishimoto stated something through his manga so its a fact, its superior to whatever interpretation his fans make by reading the manga. Hyperbole isn't the same as a factual statement. The fact you actually think Kishimoto had Minato enter it quickly only to have him say the next chapter "I cant enter it quickly" is laughable. Laughable indeed. Though its not like I care about this point as Sage Mode doesn't do anything for Minato anyway.
I can also stop debating with you here as well because anyone who keeps up with the manga would know Kishimoto has written too many contradictions. You said everything he states through his manga is fact but his manga is filled with hyperbole's and you said that's not a factual statement. You just contradicted your own self.
So, your evidence that he can dodge it is that its in one direction? Lmao, not even sure if serious. The fact its in one direction doesn't change the fact its too widespread for him to evade on foot, and unless he has tags away behind Susanoo, he's going to get hit. Even if he has Kunai set so he can evade it, PS destroyed the landscape and blew shit all over the place. The same will happen to Minato's Kunai.
The power of the attack is in 1 direction. The debris that follows is what has a wider area of effect. Why wouldn't he have tags behind Susanoo? Its in his nature to spread them all over the battlefield when he begins. He has a barrier to take in any incoming attack and send it back at Madara. He can also mark physical locations with his bare hands so him dodging the slashes is not some crazy hard thing to do.
No, I don't. Chakra won't be an issue here at all.
He doesn't need to react to Hiraishin, he only needs to react to Minato's movements, but then again, that's assuming he waits till Minato is right in his face to retaliate.
Madara fought for 24 hours straight, he's going to be able to use PS for at least 5 minutes, which is all that is needed to kill Minato. You keep on asking me for "proof" and "evidence" Yet I see none from you.
Uchiha usually have large powerful chakra. Madara had the greatest his clan has ever seen.
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Can control Kurama (Bijuu control is stated to take a lot of chakra)
Can use PS and Kurama at the same time for a brief period of time.
Yet we have this guy saying that PS alone is an issue for Madara? Lmao, stop. Just stop.
If he cannot react to FTG how can he react to Minatos movements? FTG is a movement by Minato. Another contradiction. The shinobi alliance also fought for a full day straight. Point? Naruto did give them chakra but that was on the second day when they arrived at the battlefield to fight with him. The Uchiha are noted to having powerful chakra, not large chakra. A large chakra is not always a strong chakra. Kisame is stated by everyone to have tailed beast level chakra(quantity) but his chakra was never noted to be strong(quality).
Indra got his fathers eyes, powerful chakra, and spiritual energy. Ashura got his body, life force (large chakra), and physical energy. A strong life force would require one to have a large amount of chakra because chakra is the life force of all things. If one uses all their chakra they will die so if someone has a large amount of chakra they would have a strong life force and not die as quickly as someone who does not have a large amount of chakra. Madara has a very potent (quality) chakra while Hashirama has a very large(quantity) one. Same with Naruto and Sasuke. Karin, Orochimaru, Kabuto and Kurama have all said Sasukes chakra is very dark and powerful but never large. People have acknowledged Narutos chakra for being very large but not as potent and powerful (excluding the nine tails) like people said for Sasuke.
Obito was able to control and summon Kurama after stealing it from Kushina. Does that mean 13 year old Obito has chakra as strong and large as Madara because he was still able to fight Minato while Kurama was under his control?
-Cut Mountain tops.
-Tells me Toads will be able to jump high enough to dodge it despite no toad having a jumping feat that high.
-Did the above in a split second.
-Tells me that the Toads will be able to jump that high, that fast.
-PS dwarfs Bijuu, thus dwarfing any Toad.
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PS is much larger than them, so its much larger than any toad or Bijuu.
-Tells me that Toads will pin PS. I'm debating whether or not I should even take you seriously from now on.
Ummmm I'm not sure if you linked me the right link but those gates are clearly much larger than all the Bijuu. Cant you see how small the Jubi and Gyuuki are inside of those gates? I will add more to this when you tell me whether or not you linked the right image.
I pointed out the mountains in the background of this image:
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Since that is an manga screen I even have this, showing how fast and high Gamabunta can jump and you can see the mountains in the background too:
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See how high he jumped? Not only that, how much air time he had and even when he came down he jumped up right again to attack right after that. Evidence there how high they can jump and how agile and quick they are. Facing the Perfect Susanoo, who has just 1 sword who can only attack in 1 direction at a time is not a problem.
-He never tried to learn Sage Mode. What kind of half-assed argument is this? Go get me proof that Madara ever tried and failed to learn Sage Mode and then we'll have a debate on this point. Until then, you are merely making stuff up.
Your argument is that he never tried to learn it. My argument is that his chakra reserves were not large enough to take in Natrual Energy. What makes more sense? Let me break it down to you. Why would he not attempt to learn something that would give him immense amounts of additional chakra? Will you say its because he never summoned any special animals? Well, neither has Hashirama yet he can do it. Remember Ashura got his fathers body, life force, and physical energy. Orochimaru said he never had a body that could bear such an ability. He knows the mechanics on how to enter sage mode, he learned at Ryuchi Cave, but even if someone like him knows how to enter it, if his body cant support it then he wont be able to use it. If Madara did not receive the body and life force of the sage its very understandable why he cannot use the technique. I already established how a potent chakra is different from a large chakra. One needs large reserves for sage mode, not potent reserves otherwise Orochimaru would have been able to do it as Kabuto mentioned when he took a small portion of Orochimarus chakra from Ankos curse seal, it was extremely potent and allowed him to refine and strengthen his control over all his edos. If he could enter sage mode, Why did he have to absorb Hashiramas sage mode chakra when he was revived? Why not just do it himself? Better yet, when he took the chakra in the sage markings were on Hashiramas face only in his chest and not his own. Hashiramas cells are his body, since cells make up the body. When he absorbed that chakra, it went to Hashiramas body that is attached to his own so that's how he was able to take it without turning into stone.
Guess what? I don't care what you said. You had nothing backing it.
I'm barely serious about this, mainly because I can't take anything in your post seriously, at all.
Madara would have a hard time hitting Minato w/o his Mokuton and Rinnegan. He'd obviously have the superior stamina, but if Minato plans this right, he could very well win this.
I can also stop debating with you here as well because anyone who keeps up with the manga would know Kishimoto has written too many contradictions. You said everything he states through his manga is fact but his manga is filled with hyperbole's and you said that's not a factual statement. You just contradicted your own self.
Lol, I didn't contradict myself. Not everything in the manga is a hyperbole nor is everything factual. Though there is nothing hyperbolic about Minato's statement so I have no reason to believe its hyperbole.
The power of the attack is in 1 direction. The debris that follows is what has a wider area of effect. Why wouldn't he have tags behind Susanoo? Its in his nature to spread them all over the battlefield when he begins. He has a barrier to take in any incoming attack and send it back at Madara. He can also mark physical locations with his bare hands so him dodging the slashes is not some crazy hard thing to do.
Already replied to a scenario where he has tags behind Susanoo.
If he cannot react to FTG how can he react to Minatos movements? FTG is a movement by Minato. Another contradiction. The shinobi alliance also fought for a full day straight. Point? Naruto did give them chakra but that was on the second day when they arrived at the battlefield to fight with him. The Uchiha are noted to having powerful chakra, not large chakra. A large chakra is not always a strong chakra. Kisame is stated by everyone to have tailed beast level chakra(quantity) but his chakra was never noted to be strong(quality).
Lol, no, its not. Don't know who told you that nonsense but its false. Hiraishin involves no movement at all. Minato only teleports near his opponent. Striking them is up to his own striking speed, which is nothing fancy or notable, so Madara has no issue activating Susanoo before he hits him. I suggest you properly learn how to point out contradictions.
"I was born with the greatest, and most powerful chakra they'd ever seen"
So no, you're wrong (Again) Large chakra reserves are an Uchiha trait.
Lol, we have zero proof from you that they fought for 24 hours with no breaks in between, especially when they have a Medical Unit on their side. On the other hand, I have 100% undeniable proof that Madara fought 24 hours straight, and Susanoo was used.
Indra got his fathers eyes, powerful chakra, and spiritual energy. Ashura got his body, life force (large chakra), and physical energy. A strong life force would require one to have a large amount of chakra because chakra is the life force of all things. If one uses all their chakra they will die so if someone has a large amount of chakra they would have a strong life force and not die as quickly as someone who does not have a large amount of chakra. Madara has a very potent (quality) chakra while Hashirama has a very large(quantity) one. Same with Naruto and Sasuke. Karin, Orochimaru, Kabuto and Kurama have all said Sasukes chakra is very dark and powerful but never large. People have acknowledged Narutos chakra for being very large but not as potent and powerful (excluding the nine tails) like people said for Sasuke.
Irrelevant. None of this doesn't change the fact Uchiha have large chakra reserves, as stated by the manga. The Senju being blessed with more doesn't change that fact. Hashirama's chakra is also very potent as he was able to break Edo Tensei's binding and almost destroy the Naka Shrine just by spiking his chakra..You have no point here.
Obito was able to control and summon Kurama after stealing it from Kushina. Does that mean 13 year old Obito has chakra as strong and large as Madara because he was still able to fight Minato while Kurama was under his control?
Obito summoned and controlled Kurama for a very brief time until Minato stopped him. Madara controlled and summoned Kurama and fought Hashirama for an extended period of time. I shouldn't have to tell you why you can't compare the two.
Ummmm I'm not sure if you linked me the right link but those gates are clearly much larger than all the Bijuu. Cant you see how small the Jubi and Gyuuki are inside of those gates? I will add more to this when you tell me whether or not you linked the right image.
Lol, what? The little dots in the middle of the barrier are the gates I'm referring to. You are probably referring to the barrier.
I pointed out the mountains in the background of this image:
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Since that is an manga screen I even have this, showing how fast and high Gamabunta can jump and you can see the mountains in the background too:
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See how high he jumped? Not only that, how much air time he had and even when he came down he jumped up right again to attack right after that. Evidence there how high they can jump and how agile and quick they are. Facing the Perfect Susanoo, who has just 1 sword who can only attack in 1 direction at a time is not a problem.
1. The concept of perspective destroys this whole point of yours. Objects farther away seem smaller than they really are. If I used your logic then I would have to say that
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. Meaning what you see in that scan obviously isn't those Mountain's full height. Again, if I used your logic, then I'd be saying those trees would be at least as tall as the Mountain in the background.
2. I hope you don't think that trees are almost as tall as Mountains.
3. PS has
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blades.
Your argument is that he never tried to learn it. My argument is that his chakra reserves were not large enough to take in Natrual Energy. What makes more sense? Let me break it down to you. Why would he not attempt to learn something that would give him immense amounts of additional chakra? Will you say its because he never summoned any special animals? Well, neither has Hashirama yet he can do it. Remember Ashura got his fathers body, life force, and physical energy. Orochimaru said he never had a body that could bear such an ability. He knows the mechanics on how to enter sage mode, he learned at Ryuchi Cave, but even if someone like him knows how to enter it, if his body cant support it then he wont be able to use it. If Madara did not receive the body and life force of the sage its very understandable why he cannot use the technique. I already established how a potent chakra is different from a large chakra. One needs large reserves for sage mode, not potent reserves otherwise Orochimaru would have been able to do it as Kabuto mentioned when he took a small portion of Orochimarus chakra from Ankos curse seal, it was extremely potent and allowed him to refine and strengthen his control over all his edos.
@bold: The bold is not evidence for your claim. Evidence for your claim would come from the manga or Databook, or Kishi's interviews, and nowhere else. When you can prove that he tried and failed to learn Sage Mode, then you will have a point here, but until then, you are merely speculating.
I just backed up what I said. Okay, don't take this seriously. I just see it as a forfeit with you throwing in the towel.
