Minato may have beat Tobi, but Tobi was still kage level +

[Floydical]

People were saying that it made sense that Tobi is Obito because when he fought Minato, he got his butt handed to him. They say that since he wasn't able to defeat Minato, his power level wasn't actually that great, thus making it believable that Obito could progress to that level in 1-2 years. I, however, have a serious problem with these statements and believe that Tobi / Obito was in fact Kage level, thus a possible even-match for Minato.

First and foremost, Minato continually stated how powerful and dangerous Tobi was throughout the entire fight:

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Minato basically admitted that it was coming down to the wire, and whoever was better at that moment would be the victor:

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And the most important proof of all, Tobi / Obito defeated 3 ANBU black ops directly under orders from the 3rd to protect Kushina:

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If anything in the Naruto world is set in stone, it is the power level of ANBU members. The fact that Tobi defeated 3 ANBU at one time means he is INSTANTLY Kage level, without a doubt. Now we all know that Minato was a very powerful Kage, but it was mostly because of his space time techniques. The fact that Tobi also had space time techniques that scared Minato basically puts him in the same boat as Minato power level wise.

Basically the whole point of this thread was to state that Tobi / Obito and Minato were evenly matched, and just because Minato defeated Tobi does not mean Tobi should have been underestimated.

Now I still think that Obito could have become this powerful knowing he had Senju DNA in him and possibly DNA from Madara as well. Either way, I think its very likely that Obito was the one and only Tobi and that he could have in fact reached Kage level in 1-2 years, though I believe the timeline points to it being more like 4 years than 1-2 years.

Discuss, comment or flame if you feel a need to .

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

I agree. He is obviously Kage-ish level. Rep+ sir.

 

[Blaze Release]

3 tomoe Tobi has always been kage rank. His feats apart from what he managed to achieve that night speaks for it self. Also agree that it was an evenly matched affair and in that scenario, minato came out on top.

As for the time line, nobody really knows, however you could put an estimate.
Example that happened 12 years ago, when naruto was born. The age gap between kakashi 26and naruto 12 .

26-12 =14

That means when naruto was 0, kakashi mustve been 14 and this doesnt make no sense at all, unless ive gotten something mixed up

 

[Senju clan24]

interesting point other than the instant kage level because he defeated 3 anbu.... that is false because sai was Anbu and he sucks

 

[Bigfoot34501]

It's only 1 year, that's set in stone

But I agree with this thread, Obito unlocked the Mangekyo Sharingan, which is a huge power boost in itself. His MS combined with Senju DNA makes him Kage level. I mean he has an OP MS technique, it's not like we haven't seen any of those before

 

[Koha]

Between the events of Obito's death and Kurama's attack was a total of 13 months. Right as Minato was appointed as Hokage.

 

[kakashiboy]

U forgot to mention that he was controlling the nine tails the whole time he was fighting. Wat kage could do that excluding hashirama

 

[Koha]

interesting point other than the instant kage level because he defeated 3 anbu.... that is false because sai was Anbu and he sucks

Actually Sai is pretty good, it's just he takes on those who are high ranked. He did beat Naruto in the first Shippuden arc. Not much of an achievement to right now but it's still something.

 

[tobitaka]

i agree to an extent. it is true that he is kage level at this point through his actions of killing off all the anbu, enslaving the kyuubi, and giving minato a real fight. this is probably thanks to having senju dna like you said.

however, it is believed that tobi was equally powerful or greater in power than minato. i disagree. i think tobi had an unfair advantage from knowing all of minato's techniques, since he was his student.as a student, he would have been able to see through all of minato's attacks, just like 4 said to naruto during the pain fight. this, coupled with the fact that he had space-time jutsu of his own scared the crap out of 4, thus attributing extra rep to tobi.

 

[Koha]

Time of events and all that boost in power makes no canonical sense...

He built the story too much for it to be possible for Tobi to be Obito.

 

[sageadvice]

It's also important to note that he extracted and took control of Kurama and was puppeteering Kurama for most of the time he was battling Minato. He was definitely super kage level.

 

[looking 4 name]

i wonder if tobi got beated?

he got hit and disappeard

 

[Koha]

3 tomoe Tobi has always been kage rank. His feats apart from what he managed to achieve that night speaks for it self. Also agree that it was an evenly matched affair and in that scenario, minato came out on top.

As for the time line, nobody really knows, however you could put an estimate.
Example that happened 12 years ago, when naruto was born. The age gap between kakashi 26and naruto 12 .

26-12 =14

That means when naruto was 0, kakashi mustve been 14 and this doesnt make no sense at all, unless ive gotten something mixed up

No, you're right... Kakashi was only 14 when those events passed. He's 30 now & Naruto's 16. In the end still = 14.

 

[Floydical]

interesting point other than the instant kage level because he defeated 3 anbu.... that is false because sai was Anbu and he sucks

I have to disagree. Any and all ANBU members are considered to be the best the village has to offer. Essentially, every single member of ANBU is a theoretical candidate for future Hokage. Of course not all ANBU are on the same level, but it has been implied that taking out more than one ANBU by yourself (especially 3+ like Tobi and not to mention Kabuto did in part one) instantly grants you a rank equivalent to Kage, without a doubt.

It's only 1 year, that's set in stone

But I agree with this thread, Obito unlocked the Mangekyo Sharingan, which is a huge power boost in itself. His MS combined with Senju DNA makes him Kage level. I mean he has an OP MS technique, it's not like we haven't seen any of those before

Between the events of Obito's death and Kurama's attack was a total of 13 months. Right as Minato was appointed as Hokage.

Where are you guys getting this information from? Please don't tell me you think Kakashi has aged 13 months between these two pics:

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Now I know Kakashi's age in the last chapter is really messed up, but I consider these older chapters to be 100% accurate. This seems closer to 4 years to me rather than one year. If you guys are basing the timeline entirely off of the Databooks, I'd have to say errors exist in them.

 

[Bigfoot34501]

Where are you guys getting this information from? Please don't tell me you think Kakashi has aged 13 months between these two pics:

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Now I know Kakashi's age in the last chapter is really messed up, but I consider these older chapters to be 100% accurate. This seems closer to 4 years to me rather than one year. If you guys are basing the timeline entirely off of the Databooks, I'd have to say errors exist in them.

Well there MAY be serious errors in them, but atm, they're all we have to go off of

-Obito and Kakashi were the same age

-Obito "died" at the age of 13

-Kakashi is currently 30

-30-13=17, so Obito "died" 17 years ago

-Naruto is currently 16, and so he was born 16 years ago, the same day Tobi/Obito attacked Konoha

-30-16=14 the age Kakashi was when Tobi/Obito attacked Konoha

-14-13=1, therefore there only 1 year between "Obito's" death and Minato's death

I know it's from the databooks, but that's all we have to go on right now

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

I already knew he was kage level

 

[Floydical]

Well there MAY be serious errors in them, but atm, they're all we have to go off of

-Obito and Kakashi were the same age

-Obito "died" at the age of 13

-Kakashi is currently 30

-30-13=17, so Obito "died" 17 years ago

-Naruto is currently 16, and so he was born 16 years ago, the same day Tobi/Obito attacked Konoha

-30-16=14 the age Kakashi was when Tobi/Obito attacked Konoha

-14-13=1, therefore there only 1 year between "Obito's" death and Minato's death

I know it's from the databooks, but that's all we have to go on right now

Okay but I have to say it is looking like those databooks are definitely incorrect.

Note that Nagato's age has never been released on the Databooks... perhaps thats because his age would give to much away or would provide people with too many false assumptions? Maybe kishi learned to not release ages any more because it can create serious plot holes like this?

I'll give an example.

I assume the databooks are right and Kisame died at age 28, but when you look at this image, how old does Kisame look?

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He is obviously fully grown and fully filled out, which implies he is at least 18 years old, if not his early 20's. But if that were true, than there is no more than 10 years between Kisame meeting Tobi and his death. This is 100% impossible because we know for a fact that Akatsuki was having meetings with all members present at a minimum of 10 years ago.

Now considering Kisame was one of the first members, which was implied through this conversation and Tobi's level of trust for Kisame, they must have met multiple years before that.

Now I can't confirm the time exactly, but I'd assume this event took place between 12 and 14 years ago, before Akatsuki was formed and after the nine-tails attack. I am just trying to provide evidence that the Databooks are likely to have flaws if not totally incorrect in some instances because there is no way Kisame is 14-16 years old at this time.

 

[Koha]

The Databooks are never incorrect... They're written by Kishimoto himself. And as we've seen there's a SIGNIFICANT growth at 16. Kisame's just that dude with one of those faces. Only one year has passed.... So please, stop trying to disprove fact.

 

[Shouten]

Tobi was obviously already at kage level when he fought Minato.

 

[Koha]

Btw, Nagato's in his early 40's.... Seeing as he was still very young during the Second Great Ninja World War.. & Plus at that time the Sannin were in their late teens, early 20's.