[VS] Minato&Jiraiya VS Naruto&Tobirama

who wins?

  • Team 1

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  • Draw

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Minator93

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Even by feats SM Naruto would take Base Minato, but since you want to talk about "Manga facts" the manga has already stated that Naruto is stronger even with only SM [ ][ ]. It was even specific to Minato, it wasn't some vague catch all statement.

Individually, Team two is superior. Team 1 just has better synergy.​
Lel surpassed in what? Minato has been called un-surpassable and has "unrivaled strength" putting him above Hashirama so if we go by your logic SM Naruto should stomp Hashirama :rolleyes:

SM Naruto has nothing on Minato, gets murked low diff. Again 1-touch is all Minato needs to kill Naruto, Tobirama can put up a small resistance but gets killed eventually.​
 

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Lel surpassed in what? Minato has been called un-surpassable and has "unrivaled strength" putting him above Hashirama so if we go by your logic SM Naruto should stomp Hashirama :rolleyes:


Also note "Thought".​

SM Naruto has nothing on Minato, gets murked low diff. Again 1-touch is all Minato needs to kill Naruto, Tobirama can put up a small resistance but gets killed eventually.
If you have a problem with the manga then that's your problem, don't bring that shit in here.​
 
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Are you high? Tobirama can make clones as well. The only thing Minato has on Tobirama is his speed. Tobirama has similar or better reaction and striking speed than Minato as well. Not too mention more chakra. Gojō Kibaku Fuda can be used as a last resort and blow everyone to hell.
Tobirama has similar or better reaction? What are you smoking? Tobirama has inferior speed and especially inferior reactions compared to Minato. Tobirama has praised the shit out of Minato, Minato being faster, Minato's throwing speed, Minato's faster FTG, Minato's FTG being greater overall. Tobirama just can't compete. More chakra? Get real Minato has monstrous chakra whilst Tobirama has zero feats suggesting he has Minato level chakra let alone packing more Lol

Gojo baku? Lel really? That's gonna harm Minato the greatest Shunshin and Hiraishin user of all times? Man I'm speechless.
 

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Also note "Thought".​
If you have a problem with the manga then that's your problem.​
Is that so? Then why give a shit about what Pa thinks? I mean by feats Alive Minato is tiers above SM Naruto. I don't have any problem with manga, it's just that you're wanking Naruto or underplaying Minato U_U
 

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Is that so? Then why give a shit about what Pa thinks? I mean by feats Alive Minato is tiers above SM Naruto. I don't have any problem with manga, it's just that you're wanking Naruto or underplaying Minato U_U
Simply to show that Fukusaku's statements means a lot more than Ay's. Ay doesn't believe that hype anymore making it moot, and Fukusaku is a reliable source on both.

Now that your resorting to calling me a wanker and not presenting arguments it pretty much proves that were done here.​
 

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Tobirama has similar or better reaction? What are you smoking? Tobirama has inferior speed and especially inferior reactions compared to Minato. Tobirama has praised the shit out of Minato, Minato being faster, Minato's throwing speed, Minato's faster FTG, Minato's FTG being greater overall. Tobirama just can't compete. More chakra? Get real Minato has monstrous chakra whilst Tobirama has zero feats suggesting he has Minato level chakra let alone packing more Lol

Gojo baku? Lel really? That's gonna harm Minato the greatest Shunshin and Hiraishin user of all times? Man I'm speechless.
You overestimate Minato. The single greatest reaction feat to date is Tobirama marking Juubito five time, and no one knew Juubito's speed to this point. It is far above that of Minato and Ei. Minato got injured from Juubito I believe, and he had access to jump to a kunai but did not until he got his arm chopped off. Goshun Mawashi puts Tobirama at the very least on Minato's level in reactions. Never did I say Tobirama was faster. His FTG is not faster, that is fanfiction. Take into account common sense, because Sasuke is not as fast as FTG. They used the body flicker to get to the battlefield, not FTG. Minato can teleport more people and has a better FTG, but that does not mean faster. And Tobirama fought for an entire day with Uchiha, whilst Minato got tuckered out against Obito before sealing the Kyuubi.
 

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You overestimate Minato. The single greatest reaction feat to date is Tobirama marking Juubito five time, and no one knew Juubito's speed to this point. It is far above that of Minato and Ei. Minato got injured from Juubito I believe, and he had access to jump to a kunai but did not until he got his arm chopped off. Goshun Mawashi puts Tobirama at the very least on Minato's level in reactions. Never did I say Tobirama was faster. His FTG is not faster, that is fanfiction. Take into account common sense, because Sasuke is not as fast as FTG. They used the body flicker to get to the battlefield, not FTG. Minato can teleport more people and has a better FTG, but that does not mean faster. And Tobirama fought for an entire day with Uchiha, whilst Minato got tuckered out against Obito before sealing the Kyuubi.
Marking Obito isn't a reaction feat, that's a speed feat.

(KM Minato has the best reaction feat btw, He reacted to Juubtio's blitz while it was in progress whiltst KM Naruto was only able to use chakra arms after it happen.)​
 

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Marking Obito isn't a reaction feat, that's a speed feat.

(KM Minato has the best reaction feat btw, He reacted to Juubtio's blitz while it was in progress whiltst KM Naruto was only able to use chakra arms after it happen.)​
It's both a striking speed feat and a reaction feat. He had to first react to the blitz and then act accordingly.
 

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It's both a striking speed feat and a reaction feat. He had to first react to the blitz and then act accordingly.
He didn't specify which feat. If Obito wasn't moving then its not a reaction feat as he's not reacting to anything. There's also the fact that its bogged down by the fact that others were fighting Obito as well.

Im not downplaying Tobirama either if anyone is getting that from these post. Tobirama's Shunshin is a little below Base Minato with on par reactions to him.​
 

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Marking Obito isn't a reaction feat, that's a speed feat.

(KM Minato has the best reaction feat btw, He reacted to Juubtio's blitz while it was in progress whiltst KM Naruto was only able to use chakra arms after it happen.)​
It is a reaction feat. He had to use react to the fastest character in the NV without any prior intelligence on his speed, and marked him five times. And I disagree with your statement. No one knew how fast Juubito was prior to him attacking Tobirama and Hashirama. After that, they had an idea on how fast he was, which helped Naruto.

He didn't specify which feat. If Obito wasn't moving then its not a reaction feat as he's not reacting to anything. There's also the fact that its bogged down by the fact that others were fighting Obito as well.

Im not downplaying Tobirama either if anyone is getting that from these post. Tobirama's Shunshin is a little below Base Minato with on par reactions to him.​
He was moving whilst Tobirama tagged him. Hashirama was the only person by Tobirama when Tobirama tagged Juubito, and Hashirama didn't do anything.
 

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He didn't specify which feat. If Obito wasn't moving then its not a reaction feat as he's not reacting to anything. There's also the fact that its bogged down by the fact that others were fighting Obito as well.

Im not downplaying Tobirama either if anyone is getting that from these post. Tobirama's Shunshin is a little below Base Minato with on par reactions to him.​
This feat. [ ][ ]
 

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Simply to show that Fukusaku's statements means a lot more than Ay's. Ay doesn't believe that hype anymore making it moot, and Fukusaku is a reliable source on both.

Now that your resorting to calling me a wanker and not presenting arguments it pretty much proves that were done here.​
Says someone who created and sports a Naruto > Edo Madara thread?

Yup we're done.

You overestimate Minato. The single greatest reaction feat to date is Tobirama marking Juubito five time, and no one knew Juubito's speed to this point. It is far above that of Minato and Ei. Minato got injured from Juubito I believe, and he had access to jump to a kunai but did not until he got his arm chopped off. Goshun Mawashi puts Tobirama at the very least on Minato's level in reactions. Never did I say Tobirama was faster. His FTG is not faster, that is fanfiction. Take into account common sense, because Sasuke is not as fast as FTG. They used the body flicker to get to the battlefield, not FTG. Minato can teleport more people and has a better FTG, but that does not mean faster. And Tobirama fought for an entire day with Uchiha, whilst Minato got tuckered out against Obito before sealing the Kyuubi.
1. Tobirama marking Juubito 5 times? Again what the fuq are you smoking? Tobirama only attached a seal whilst Hashirama's clone bound Juubito for a short period of time. And once Marked it was no biggie to teleport to the marked place U_U

2. Minato got his arms ripped you say? Lel Tobirama got owned in reactions and hence got incapacited by SM Madara? It needed Juubito to rip Minato's arm [Minato's reactions were so great that he teleported in time otherwise he'd have died]

3. FTG being faster, well why dafuq you pulled shunshin in between? I know perfectly well that they used foot-speed to reach the battlefield. It was Tobirama who admitted that his "hiraishin" was slower with shadow clones compared to Minato's "hiraishin" with his shadow clones, thus confirming the fact that Minato's "hiraishin" is faster than Tobirama's "hiraishin"

I never get confused with Hiraishin and Shunshin U_U In fact I was the first one who made a clear-up thread that actually cleared all the "shunshin" mess that mangapanda and *********** has caused by strictly using VIZ translation U_U

4. Lel Tobirama fought with Hashirama and entire Senju clan with Madara. I believe Minato has soloed war battalions, and I have a stamina thread created about whole Minato vs Obito fight, Minato has very large chakra reserves. I've been thorough all those debates U_U
 

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This feat. [ ][ ]
That one was the one I was talking about. xD

was bewildered that Tobirama could do anything evident by how he was shocked and praised him right after for his quickness to act.

Says someone who created and sports a Naruto > Edo Madara thread?

Yup we're done.



1. Tobirama marking Juubito 5 times? Again what the fuq are you smoking? Tobirama only attached a seal whilst Hashirama's clone bound Juubito for a short period of time. And once Marked it was no biggie to teleport to the marked place U_U

2. Minato got his arms ripped you say? Lel Tobirama got owned in reactions and hence got incapacited by SM Madara? It needed Juubito to rip Minato's arm [Minato's reactions were so great that he teleported in time otherwise he'd have died]

3. FTG being faster, well why dafuq you pulled shunshin in between? I know perfectly well that they used foot-speed to reach the battlefield. It was Tobirama who admitted that his "hiraishin" was slower with shadow clones compared to Minato's "hiraishin" with his shadow clones, thus confirming the fact that Minato's "hiraishin" is faster than Tobirama's "hiraishin"

I never get confused with Hiraishin and Shunshin U_U In fact I was the first one who made a clear-up thread that actually cleared all the "shunshin" mess that mangapanda and *********** has caused by strictly using VIZ translation U_U

4. Lel Tobirama fought with Hashirama and entire Senju clan with Madara. I believe Minato has soloed war battalions, and I have a stamina thread created about whole Minato vs Obito fight, Minato has very large chakra reserves. I've been thorough all those debates U_U
Tobirama marked Juubito with one Hiraishin mark and four paper bombs when Juubito blitz'd Tobirama, the best feat reaction wise in the manga.

The fight was off paneled. You don't know what happened. And isn't Minato having trouble with black Zetsu that Chojuro murked...

No, Tobirama said his Hiraishin was too slow for Juubito with clones, not for Minato. His FTG with himself is instant, so I don't see where you are going with this.

There were Uchiha there prior to that. They just got murked is all. And Izuna + old Uchiha clansman > fodder war chuunin that Minato murked. Just saying.
 
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Says someone who created and sports a Naruto > Edo Madara thread?

Yup we're done.
Are you really going to go there? The person that believes that Base Minato can beat Hashirama and Edo Madara?​

This feat. [ ][ ]
Then you would be correct. I was just averaging all of them in a way.

Though KM Minato's is still on par with that.​
 
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