yeah but minato met obito for 5 minutes, and even then he said that it's not possible that tobi is madara. he referred to tobi when talking to naruto as 'the masked man'. ie he wasnt buying it.
itachi on the other hand knew tobi for at least 8 years, and referred to tobi as madara when talking to sasuke before he died. so it's not the same at all.
not that this is a good factor in determining intelligence really, it's just perceptions just like itachi told sasuke in their final fight
Thanks and all however what i find funny sometimes is what some people say in respect to itachi no knowing who obito is after spending 'time' with him, ill disregard the fact that obito hardly ever leaked any secrets and even in the DB it was claimed he kept his ms usage away from akatsuki members and focus on facts for a second.
Kakashi and obito are roughly the same age therefore in part 2 kakshi/obito = 30
In part 1 kakashi/obito = 26.
Itachi in part was 17 and part 2, 21.
The gap between kakashi/obito in relation to itachi has remained constant at
26 - 17 = 9
30 - 21 = 9.
If there is a 9 year gap, between obito/kakashi and itachi. Kakashi became jonin during the war when he and obito were 13, its this same time that obito died at the age of 13.
If obito died at 13 and there is 9 year gap between them that would mean itachi was 13-9 = 4 years old when obito died.
What i am saying is that itachi doesn't even know who obito is, from the start and might not even have heard of him before.
This in regards to minato's fans who somehow believe itachi shouldv'e known it was obito, when clearly its very hard for him to. Just to switch things up a bit. minato obviously knew of obito, he was obito's sensei. During the whole fight he never one's grasp from a sense of smell or trait in obito to note that it was one of his students?.
In other words minato's relationship with obito should allow him to decrypt the mask man's identity more so than itachi who at the time of obito's supposedly death was still an infant who knew nothing of his surroundings nor of obito.
To those who want to challenge my maths/estimate there you go;
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Itachi was barely 4 during the 3rd great war, which is the war that obito supposedly died.
Thanks and all however what i find funny sometimes is what some people say in respect to itachi no knowing who obito is after spending 'time' with him, ill disregard the fact that obito hardly ever leaked any secrets and even in the DB it was claimed he kept his ms usage away from akatsuki members and focus on facts for a second.
Kakashi and obito are roughly the same age therefore in part 2 kakshi/obito = 30
In part 1 kakashi/obito = 26.
Itachi in part was 17 and part 2, 21.
The gap between kakashi/obito in relation to itachi has remained constant at
26 - 17 = 9
30 - 21 = 9.
If there is a 9 year gap, between obito/kakashi and itachi. Kakashi became jonin during the war when he and obito were 13, its this same time that obito died at the age of 13.
If obito died at 13 and there is 9 year gap between them that would mean itachi was 13-9 = 4 years old when obito died.
What i am saying is that itachi doesn't even know who obito is, from the start and might not even have heard of him before.
This in regards to minato's fans who somehow believe itachi shouldv'e known it was obito, when clearly its very hard for him to. Just to switch things up a bit. minato obviously knew of obito, he was obito's sensei. During the whole fight he never one's grasp from a sense of smell or trait in obito to note that it was one of his students?.
In other words minato's relationship with obito should allow him to decrypt the mask man's identity more so than itachi who at the time of obito's supposedly death was still an infant who knew nothing of his surroundings nor of obito.
To those who want to challenge my maths/estimate there you go;
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Might disregard that translation so ill give you manga stream;
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Itachi was barely 4 during the 3rd great war, which is the war that obito supposedly died.
Their level of intelligent is indeed a lot and they are on par with each other. Even though I am an itachi fanboy I still like minato and he is one of my fav character so I am not gonna say itachi>minato. And I truly belived that they are equal even though in some situation one might be superior to the other one in different scenarios for ex) I couldn't see itachi doing better than minato in the obito situation and I don't see minato doing better than itachi in chibukai tensai situation or how he remained a good guy in akatsuki and how he kept his cool during akatsuki.
In the end I believe itachi is more like a philosophical guy who is quite and a pacifist and he has the love of knowledge.
And minato is a leader and a good father and husband and a hokage.
And both of them r complete badasses
Thanks and all however what i find funny sometimes is what some people say in respect to itachi no knowing who obito is after spending 'time' with him, ill disregard the fact that obito hardly ever leaked any secrets and even in the DB it was claimed he kept his ms usage away from akatsuki members and focus on facts for a second.
Kakashi and obito are roughly the same age therefore in part 2 kakshi/obito = 30
In part 1 kakashi/obito = 26.
Itachi in part was 17 and part 2, 21.
The gap between kakashi/obito in relation to itachi has remained constant at
26 - 17 = 9
30 - 21 = 9.
If there is a 9 year gap, between obito/kakashi and itachi. Kakashi became jonin during the war when he and obito were 13, its this same time that obito died at the age of 13.
If obito died at 13 and there is 9 year gap between them that would mean itachi was 13-9 = 4 years old when obito died.
What i am saying is that itachi doesn't even know who obito is, from the start and might not even have heard of him before.
This in regards to minato's fans who somehow believe itachi shouldv'e known it was obito, when clearly its very hard for him to. Just to switch things up a bit. minato obviously knew of obito, he was obito's sensei. During the whole fight he never one's grasp from a sense of smell or trait in obito to note that it was one of his students?.
In other words minato's relationship with obito should allow him to decrypt the mask man's identity more so than itachi who at the time of obito's supposedly death was still an infant who knew nothing of his surroundings nor of obito.
To those who want to challenge my maths/estimate there you go;
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Might disregard that translation so ill give you manga stream;
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Itachi was barely 4 during the 3rd great war, which is the war that obito supposedly died.
What you use to compare the two of them, and declare they are equal through this comparison, is ridiculous. Minato believed Obito to be dead, and Obito NEVER demonstrated the use of S/T techniques in his time together with Minato. Besides, Obito was oozing Zetsu-material from his body after taking a Rasengan. How can Minato connect Tobi to Obito?
As for Itachi, it has never been clarified that he and Obito ever met.
NONE of this has to do with their level of intellect. Not enough information was presented to them for them to make the assumption that Obito was Tobi.
Thanks and all however what i find funny sometimes is what some people say in respect to itachi no knowing who obito is after spending 'time' with him, ill disregard the fact that obito hardly ever leaked any secrets and even in the DB it was claimed he kept his ms usage away from akatsuki members and focus on facts for a second.
Kakashi and obito are roughly the same age therefore in part 2 kakshi/obito = 30
In part 1 kakashi/obito = 26.
Itachi in part was 17 and part 2, 21.
The gap between kakashi/obito in relation to itachi has remained constant at
26 - 17 = 9
30 - 21 = 9.
If there is a 9 year gap, between obito/kakashi and itachi. Kakashi became jonin during the war when he and obito were 13, its this same time that obito died at the age of 13.
If obito died at 13 and there is 9 year gap between them that would mean itachi was 13-9 = 4 years old when obito died.
What i am saying is that itachi doesn't even know who obito is, from the start and might not even have heard of him before.
This in regards to minato's fans who somehow believe itachi shouldv'e known it was obito, when clearly its very hard for him to. Just to switch things up a bit. minato obviously knew of obito, he was obito's sensei. During the whole fight he never one's grasp from a sense of smell or trait in obito to note that it was one of his students?.
In other words minato's relationship with obito should allow him to decrypt the mask man's identity more so than itachi who at the time of obito's supposedly death was still an infant who knew nothing of his surroundings nor of obito.
To those who want to challenge my maths/estimate there you go;
You must be registered for see images
Might disregard that translation so ill give you manga stream;
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Itachi was barely 4 during the 3rd great war, which is the war that obito supposedly died.
You can't base something like that off of a single example. That's a one-dimensional way of thinking. I'm not disagreeing with you, but if Kishi said he was in the data book, than he is. Kishimoto's the creator, so it's up to him to decide who's more intelligent, and no one else.
EDIT: I don't recall Minato ever saying that he was Madara. It seems like he always referred to him as "the masked man".
This is a fail thread! Minato never believed tobi was madara. he doubted it even during their battle. He never told naruto you will fight with madara, he refered to him as the "MASKED MAN" indicating his suspicion
In any case this isnt an intelligence indicator.
yeah but minato met obito for 5 minutes, and even then he said that it's not possible that tobi is madara. he referred to tobi when talking to naruto as 'the masked man'. ie he wasnt buying it.
itachi on the other hand knew tobi for at least 8 years, and referred to tobi as madara when talking to sasuke before he died. so it's not the same at all.
not that this is a good factor in determining intelligence really, it's just perceptions just like itachi told sasuke in their final fight
TO PROVE THAT THIS TWO GIANTS OF NARUTOVERSE IS ON PAR WITH EACH OTHER BASE ON INTELLIGENCE ; im not referring in the data book or else where but with just a simple question and answer then ill prove it
Question :
IF ITACHI's intelligence is superior HOW COULD HE NOT KNOW THAT TOBI WASNT REALLY MADARA
Answer :
SAME REASON that MINATO THOUGHT TOBI WAS MADARA
BOTH FAILED :
To measure both intelligence we take this scenario... they both meet TOBI and both have wrong assumptions.... we cannot compare them if they dont have same scenario...Just like taking an IQ exam... To compare both must have same SET of questions and the result will determine their intellect.. .
Im not trying to take down ITACHI or MINATO level of intellect here by comparing and making them as equals ...
I CONCLUDE THAT ITACHI = MINATO
EDIT
KEEP IN MIND THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THERE INTELLIGENCE NOT ABOUT WHO IS THE BETTER SHINOBI
If Minato switched place with itachi's in akatsuki, he'd still think tobi is Madara over the years because he never actually seen or spoken to the real madara, But THE ACTIONS of tobi follow with what Madara would be doing.. even though both of them have never lived in that time.... Tobi apparently simulates Madara's image almost perfectly..
Your theory is flawed because unlike Itachi....Minato only had a face-to-face meeting with Tobi once. Tobi and Itachi were in the same Akatsuki...giving Itachi more time to adjust his assumptions and stuff.
Therefore Itachi is less intelligent than Minato because he had a somewhat closer relationship/proximity with Tobi over a period of time
And it was a very reasonable post. I said making two people believe in one thing isnt that hard, especially when you have proof to back it up. Even if you lie, it's still "proof"
I can go to a professor, who doesnt know who I am, and tell them I am in an honor society, and theyll probably believe me.
I can go to a bum on the streets, who doesnt know who I am, and tell him the same thing. He'll most likely believe me too.
What I'm saying is that you cant say two people have the same intelligence because they got fooled into thinking the same thing.
And btw, Minato never was fully convinced Tobi was Madara. He just didn't doubt it.
Proof:
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The doubt is when he says "If it really is" which shows questioning to the person.
TO PROVE THAT THIS TWO GIANTS OF NARUTOVERSE IS ON PAR WITH EACH OTHER BASE ON INTELLIGENCE ; im not referring in the data book or else where but with just a simple question and answer then ill prove it
Question :
IF ITACHI's intelligence is superior HOW COULD HE NOT KNOW THAT TOBI WASNT REALLY MADARA
Answer :
SAME REASON that MINATO THOUGHT TOBI WAS MADARA
BOTH FAILED :
To measure both intelligence we take this scenario... they both meet TOBI and both have wrong assumptions.... we cannot compare them if they dont have same scenario...Just like taking an IQ exam... To compare both must have same SET of questions and the result will determine their intellect.. .
Im not trying to take down ITACHI or MINATO level of intellect here by comparing and making them as equals ...
I CONCLUDE THAT ITACHI = MINATO
EDIT
KEEP IN MIND THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THERE INTELLIGENCE NOT ABOUT WHO IS THE BETTER SHINOBI
If Minato switched place with itachi's in akatsuki, he'd still think tobi is Madara over the years because he never actually seen or spoken to the real madara, But THE ACTIONS of tobi follow with what Madara would be doing.. even though both of them have never lived in that time.... Tobi apparently simulates Madara's image almost perfectly..
Minato who encountered Obito for minutes believed that due to his knowledge on controlling the Kyuubi and knowing Konoha like it was his pocket, Obito was Madara.
This only backs up the fact that without EVEN having being ''teached'' like Itachi was... Minato had a feeling the man behind the mask was Madara.
Imagine that on top of that feeling... Itachi knew Obito had controlled the fox.... Itachi was also under Obito's "teaching" for a while... meaning he was told EVERYTHING Obito knew on Madara.... as Obito did know everything about Madara as he saw his whole life and experience through genjutsu.
Itachi had all the reasons to actually believe Obito was Madara lol..... Obito's knowledge perfectly matched Madara's.... and the fact that even Minato who saw Obito in action for a few minutes started believing it was Madara only makes it clear that Obito played his role perfectly.
As for Minato.... he couldnt even reckonize the chakra signature of his former student... or his voice.... nothing. I aint blaming him for not realising it was Obito all along.... but in this case... he didnt outshine Itachi....
Minato knew Madara was a person that existed.... and he knew Obito was someone that existed too...to him they were two different beings. He could have made the difference with time.
But in Itachi's case....
who was Madara truly?
Who was Obito? Someone he never heard of.... why make any association with him??? Why doubt on someone's identity when everything that person has done and displayed matches Madara. Obito knew things only Madara knew.... and Itachi was under Obito's teaching thus learned of these things as if it was Madara teaching him.
A brief couple of minutes was enough to fool Minato into believing Obito was Madara.... imagine what years of learning shit that nobody could possibly know but Madara himself make you think?
You're actually pointing out that it was natural for Itachi to actually believe the entity known as Tobi was strongly connected to Madara because it was pretty much Madara behind a mask.... Obito was nothing more than a medium between the two.
