Minato = itachi [ intelligence ] proof

[Blaze Release]

agreed agreed agreed... rep hahaha..

thankz

Thanks and all however what i find funny sometimes is what some people say in respect to itachi no knowing who obito is after spending 'time' with him, ill disregard the fact that obito hardly ever leaked any secrets and even in the DB it was claimed he kept his ms usage away from akatsuki members and focus on facts for a second.

Kakashi and obito are roughly the same age therefore in part 2 kakshi/obito = 30
In part 1 kakashi/obito = 26.

Itachi in part was 17 and part 2, 21.

The gap between kakashi/obito in relation to itachi has remained constant at
26 - 17 = 9
30 - 21 = 9.

If there is a 9 year gap, between obito/kakashi and itachi. Kakashi became jonin during the war when he and obito were 13, its this same time that obito died at the age of 13.

If obito died at 13 and there is 9 year gap between them that would mean itachi was 13-9 = 4 years old when obito died.
What i am saying is that itachi doesn't even know who obito is, from the start and might not even have heard of him before.

This in regards to minato's fans who somehow believe itachi shouldv'e known it was obito, when clearly its very hard for him to. Just to switch things up a bit. minato obviously knew of obito, he was obito's sensei. During the whole fight he never one's grasp from a sense of smell or trait in obito to note that it was one of his students?.

In other words minato's relationship with obito should allow him to decrypt the mask man's identity more so than itachi who at the time of obito's supposedly death was still an infant who knew nothing of his surroundings nor of obito.

To those who want to challenge my maths/estimate there you go;

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Itachi was barely 4 during the 3rd great war, which is the war that obito supposedly died.

 

[YowYan]

hmhm Minato being revived somehow by edo tensei and sent by Kabuto to hunt Itachi down who broke free from the edo tensei..... epiccccccccccccc

 

[Champ]

Thanks and all however what i find funny sometimes is what some people say in respect to itachi no knowing who obito is after spending 'time' with him, ill disregard the fact that obito hardly ever leaked any secrets and even in the DB it was claimed he kept his ms usage away from akatsuki members and focus on facts for a second.

Kakashi and obito are roughly the same age therefore in part 2 kakshi/obito = 30
In part 1 kakashi/obito = 26.

Itachi in part was 17 and part 2, 21.

The gap between kakashi/obito in relation to itachi has remained constant at
26 - 17 = 9
30 - 21 = 9.

If there is a 9 year gap, between obito/kakashi and itachi. Kakashi became jonin during the war when he and obito were 13, its this same time that obito died at the age of 13.

If obito died at 13 and there is 9 year gap between them that would mean itachi was 13-9 = 4 years old when obito died.
What i am saying is that itachi doesn't even know who obito is, from the start and might not even have heard of him before.

This in regards to minato's fans who somehow believe itachi shouldv'e known it was obito, when clearly its very hard for him to. Just to switch things up a bit. minato obviously knew of obito, he was obito's sensei. During the whole fight he never one's grasp from a sense of smell or trait in obito to note that it was one of his students?.

In other words minato's relationship with obito should allow him to decrypt the mask man's identity more so than itachi who at the time of obito's supposedly death was still an infant who knew nothing of his surroundings nor of obito

This is true Blaze

 

[Icestorm91]

Ugh stop it LOL

 

[Carlhens]

the fanboys forgot the thread was bout intelligence not who is better shinobi

 

[cardfan]

Although they did both fail in there assumptions about who's behind the mask, there is still a comparable scenario between the two.

They both assumed Tobi was madara because tobi knows a lot of unknown knowledge from the past that madara or someone of his age would, due to madaras teachings[infinite tsukyomi training] therefore even though they were both wrong they made educated guesses that were partially correct since obito essential became madara when he "died"

The thing we can compare between these two is there plans for the future.

Minato- Within minutes of being around tobi minato was able to figure out that that he was a great threat for the future of the shinobi world and that he must do something to be ale to stop him. Minatos intelligence gave him the powerful insight to make the decision to sacrifice himself in order to save his village and create a power strong enough to protect the leaf and counter tobi. Minato knew that naruto would be able to control the fox one day and that he would counter balance tobis power. He even put himself and Kushina into the equation to help naruto control the kyuubi.

Itachi- itachi is also very intelligent and brave like minato. He is also a hero because he was able to see the consequences it would have on the future if he did not take action immediately just like minato with the fox. he knew that if he did not take out the Uchia it would result in all out war. Here minato and itachi are equal in thinking about the future and taking action to prevent catastrophe.

Where itachi falters is that he spent years around tobi and was not able to foresee thee great threat he imposed on the future of the shinobi world.

Itachi mearly thought of tobi as a shell of madaras former self and that he was incapable of doing anything... But he was wrong. itachi planned out his actions in thoughts that sasuke would follow the path itachi was trying to lead him down but failed in the end because sasuke abandoned the village and allowed hatred to consume him. Itachi wanted to build sasuke into a hero who would serve as a formidible force to protect konoha. Instead sasuke turned out to be the opposite, an avenger set on destroying the leaf. Itachis plans only went as far as to give the ems to sasuke and give naruto counter if sasuke didn't follow his plan. Itachis amateras protection from tobi failed, sasuke was manipulated. His plan for sasukes life failed and his counter for naruto didn't serve it's intended purpose.

Those who wll try to argue that itachi has pulled off more intelligent feats are incorrect because those who are truely intelligent don't get caught up in the present but plan ahead for the future. those who are able to predict the future accurately and plan accordingly are the most intelligent.

Ex: one scenario that people have tried to use to = minato saving village stopping fox etc is that itachi found blind spot to rinnegan and saved naruto and bee. Well yes this is true and a feat of intelligence... he also spent years around Nagato and the rinnegan and had time to figure out its weaknesses.

Those who can come up with a plan quickly and execute it effectively are the smartest.


In the end minato is deemed more intelligent because of the fact that he was able to make plans for the future which went as intended and he was able to create a counter balance for tobis power To protect konoha within a few minutes under massive pressure. itachi had years to perfect and alter his plan, yet it still failed. Thus Minatos intelligence exceeds itachis.

 

[TruthLover19]

Their level of intelligent is indeed a lot and they are on par with each other. Even though I am an itachi fanboy I still like minato and he is one of my fav character so I am not gonna say itachi>minato. And I truly belived that they are equal even though in some situation one might be superior to the other one in different scenarios for ex) I couldn't see itachi doing better than minato in the obito situation and I don't see minato doing better than itachi in chibukai tensai situation or how he remained a good guy in akatsuki and how he kept his cool during akatsuki.
In the end I believe itachi is more like a philosophical guy who is quite and a pacifist and he has the love of knowledge.
And minato is a leader and a good father and husband and a hokage.
And both of them r complete badasses

 

[Minator93]

TO bad for your thread that Minato just thought of as Madara only for few moments. He even referred him to Naruto as the Masked Man U_U

 

[spade3dg]

The thing is Obito told Itachi he was Madara where Minato guessed. Pretty good guess considering he was portraying Madara at the time.

Also they both put long term plans into action and only Minato's is working. Itachi's plan hit a snag.

 

[lmao234]

I reckon Itachi has brains, while Minato has skill

 

[gameove]

if anything it makes the 4 th look dumber because that was his student

 

[Kira was Righteous]

I believe Itachi has the edge

 

[Arcaneos510X]

Yes i would say that they are both very similar in the Intel Dept...

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

I agree, they are equal in terms of intelligence.

 

[repulse]

What you use to compare the two of them, and declare they are equal through this comparison, is ridiculous. Minato believed Obito to be dead, and Obito NEVER demonstrated the use of S/T techniques in his time together with Minato. Besides, Obito was oozing Zetsu-material from his body after taking a Rasengan. How can Minato connect Tobi to Obito?

As for Itachi, it has never been clarified that he and Obito ever met.

NONE of this has to do with their level of intellect. Not enough information was presented to them for them to make the assumption that Obito was Tobi.

 

[Itachi Minato]

Thanks and all however what i find funny sometimes is what some people say in respect to itachi no knowing who obito is after spending 'time' with him, ill disregard the fact that obito hardly ever leaked any secrets and even in the DB it was claimed he kept his ms usage away from akatsuki members and focus on facts for a second.

Kakashi and obito are roughly the same age therefore in part 2 kakshi/obito = 30
In part 1 kakashi/obito = 26.

Itachi in part was 17 and part 2, 21.

The gap between kakashi/obito in relation to itachi has remained constant at
26 - 17 = 9
30 - 21 = 9.

If there is a 9 year gap, between obito/kakashi and itachi. Kakashi became jonin during the war when he and obito were 13, its this same time that obito died at the age of 13.

If obito died at 13 and there is 9 year gap between them that would mean itachi was 13-9 = 4 years old when obito died.
What i am saying is that itachi doesn't even know who obito is, from the start and might not even have heard of him before.

This in regards to minato's fans who somehow believe itachi shouldv'e known it was obito, when clearly its very hard for him to. Just to switch things up a bit. minato obviously knew of obito, he was obito's sensei. During the whole fight he never one's grasp from a sense of smell or trait in obito to note that it was one of his students?.

In other words minato's relationship with obito should allow him to decrypt the mask man's identity more so than itachi who at the time of obito's supposedly death was still an infant who knew nothing of his surroundings nor of obito.

To those who want to challenge my maths/estimate there you go;

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Might disregard that translation so ill give you manga stream;

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Itachi was barely 4 during the 3rd great war, which is the war that obito supposedly died.

I think Minato and Itachi are equal and they are both my favourite characters so I am not biased at all. There was no way for Itachi to know that Tobi is not Madara( people who say he should of are just picking at straws) and TBH Obito changed so much in such a short amount of time that even if itachi was Minato he would not of thought that Tobi is Obito

 

[a banned cartoon]

You can't base something like that off of a single example. That's a one-dimensional way of thinking. I'm not disagreeing with you, but if Kishi said he was in the data book, than he is. Kishimoto's the creator, so it's up to him to decide who's more intelligent, and no one else.


EDIT: I don't recall Minato ever saying that he was Madara. It seems like he always referred to him as "the masked man".

 

[TrollingSage]

This is a fail thread! Minato never believed tobi was madara. he doubted it even during their battle. He never told naruto you will fight with madara, he refered to him as the "MASKED MAN" indicating his suspicion
In any case this isnt an intelligence indicator.

 

[ntel]

Just leave them as equals and stop making Minato and Itachi threads.Its starting to get annoying

 

[amterasu]

both of them are intelligent at same level..
but I feel there attitude makes the difference in way they respond to situations.

minato, is positive dude... he uses common sense (more than others do) .. makes educated conclusions and then responds based on what ever arrows he has in his quiver...

itachi has kind of negative attitude... this guy planned his own death - by hands of his own brother - years ahead... murdered his entire clan .. for greater good off course... then joined villains to keep tabs on them... he could have easily become HOKAGE if he had positive attitude... but, NO.. sacrifice is his motto...

both are great... and equal in strength.. if they had fought each other.. I am sure they would have exhausted each other.. and would have decided to become friends for greater benefit of the world...