It's hard to say something that happened off-panel as if it were a fact. It's just as likely that Tobirama just regenerated, because we don't actually know what happened.
I didn't even ask you to read, all I asked you to do was look at the pretty pictures. In the first panel, nobody is nearby Minato and company. In the next, Minato reaches for the ball of chakra. In the next, Naruto senses a presence (meaning that they couldn't have been reaching for it at the same time or his presence would have been sensed beforehand), and in the next panel, Tobirama's clone gets to the ball of chakra before Minato can, even though Minato was going for it already.
R u sayng that Tobirama has see that ball after Minato noticed the ball and Made a clone after that the clone reached Minato by usng shunshin and catch that ball b4 Minato could and Teleported away with that ball...?
1st: it was named kinkaku force
2nd: Lol what a fanboy. And you think im insecure? Are you seriously comparing 1 shinobi fleeing to avoid getting caught in genjutsu to entire platoons being told to flee?
The uchiha clan became the playthings of the senjus anyways- stated by obito.
What chiyo said was just to explain what would work in that situation.
Edit: she even said multiple opponents can defeat the sharingan easily, while 50 people were solod by minatos ftg.
True. Name could imply that it's the bro's who founded it or is was named after them.
However the bro's were original kumo shinobi's, however after they tried to state a coup detat and ambushed nindaime raikage and hokage, they became criminals
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They were criminals after they ambushed the 2 kage's. They wouldn't have been part of kumo, therefore most likely not part of the elite bounty hunters squad that later killed the second
2nd: Lol what a fanboy. And you think im insecure? Are you seriously comparing 1 shinobi fleeing to avoid getting caught in genjutsu to entire platoons being told to flee?
The uchiha clan became the playthings of the senjus anyways- stated by obito.
What chiyo said was just to explain what would work in that situation.
I'm gonna quote my VS thread as proof Mintato>Tobirama. It has deep analysis.
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All right. This is a popular debate. After all, it's variaty VS focus. Let's analyze who can do what first, and who's more likely to win (it can go either way) Let's start off with Tobirama since he came first.
Water style- He has significant water style skills. He's able to use water style on the same level as Zabuza without a water source while not at full power. Meanning his water style is extremely strong if he has a water source.
FTG- Tobirama has FTG. He can mark things by touching them. He can then teleport to it's general location. He can teleport other things along with him if he touches it with his body or chakra. I's assuming he can teleport to his clones at any time like Minato since he said that doing so "doesn't cut it." This indicates he had experience with it.
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He has FTG slash, but I think it's the same thing as what Minato does when he slashes people with FTG. It was never stated it required no marks, and since it's classified as FTG, it, by default, must require marks.
Edo tensei- Tobirama has reanimation. I doubt he was cruel enough to have many sacrifices, so he probably didn't have an army. He has techniques that destroy the reanimation's body temporarily, but makes powerful attacks. He has the continuous explosions. His edos don't have their full power in life though.
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It's possible that he has even stronger attacks given Madara's statement of reanimation.
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Speed and reflexes-
Tobirama was fast enough to get to the battlefield before Sasuke.
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It's possible that Sasuke organized his team for a bit, but Tobirama would still would have to be at least as fast as Sasuke which is an immense speed feat in of itself. As for reflexes, he'd have to have great ones in order to mark Obito(even if he was blasted in half to do so).
Minato:
Has FTG LV2- Minato can do anything Tobirama can with FTG. However, he can put marks on his kunai and use them to set up FTG instantly.
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He can also teleport to a kunai while it travels. This can be used to catch almost any enemy off guard and defeat almost any defense.
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He has space-time barriers that create portals from one of his kunai to another. I'm certain he doesn't have to be in contact with a kunai since he managed to teleport the Juubi's TBB away without being in sight.
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It had to have been space-time barrier since Minato was in base mode and the Juubi's TBB was way larger than the full 9 tails, which exhausted Minato to FTG.
Ransengan-
Ransengan is a lethal jutsu(contrary to popular belief). It not only has powerful explosions, but its rotation when it makes contact and explodes does massive internal damage. This was proven when Kabuto's skin was completely healed at the spot where he was hit with a ransengan, yet coughed blood(a tell-tale sign of internal bleeding).
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The simple fact is, the only people who have survived ransengan are those who regenerate. Also, Minato can make ransengans as large as early shippuden giant ransengans(which were extremely powerful).
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Sealing-
Minato also was a master at sealing jutsu, which was so powerful, the entire Uzamaki clan was targeted for extinction because of it.
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So what is it capable of? Here's what Iruka(a chunin) could do with sealing.
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He didn't even have any contact with Naruto.
It was strong enough that Naruto used KCM to break out. So Minato, most likely, has way stronger sealing. Here's an example of his barrier/sealing/
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He felt that he could restrain the full 9 tails with a barrier long enough to do what he was planning even with low chakra. One could make the argument that Minato was telling Kushina to do it. However, Minato was surprised when she did it, so he was planning to do it himself.
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Sealing can do a variety of things, but this is probably the most common that we've seen other than sealing edos. He can also get rid of summons with reverse contract seal.
summons-
Minato can summon boss toads like Gamabunta. As you know, he was able to go toe to toe with a tailed beast. His water style was strong enough to counter most of Shukaku's air bullets. In fact, he fired 2 liquid bullets
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Gamabunta fired 2, Shukaku fired 5. Only one got through, so Gamabunta's liquid bullets are about twice as strong as the shukaku's air bullet. With Gamabunta, Minato has a lot of power backing him up.
Speed and reflexes- Minato's speed far outclasses that of any hokage. He managed to get to the battlefield, stop the juubi's TBB, and have a conversation with Naruto before the other hokages arrived.
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As for reflexes, his are really good as well. He managed to teleport away from Obito with only getting his arm cut off(it was a set up, but it was still incredible considering Obito's speed).
Who would win-
I say Minato. Please procede to read reasons before raging(I know most fans aren't like that, just thought I'd add some humor and warning to those that would).
The reasons-
I at first believed that when Tobirama fans were making excuses when they said that all FTG's are instant. However, I stumbled on a scan that supports their claims.
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The anime says, "instant dimensional transportation." This is the basic description of the jutsu. So Tobirama's FTG=Minato's in speed. The only way for either to beat each other is to mark them at some point so neither could react. Here's the reason why Minato beats Tobirama in using FTG though.
Minato can set up FTG pretty much instantly while Tobirama has to move to individual locations to set up FTG. This makes him vulnerable to a FTG LV 2 blitz and marking before he can set up his FTG.
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Also, Since Minato can set up many spots at once while it takes Tobirama time to set up each one and Minato's faster in base speed than Tobirama, Tobirama's 10X more likely to get marked than Minato. Minato can see where Tobirama's making a new mark and throw a kunai at that location for instance.
Some people make the argument that Tobirama can flood the kunai away, but there's several reasons why that method doesn't work.
1. Space-time barrier can be used to protect the kunai that's closest to the water style.
2. Gamabunta can easily overpower Tobirama's water style with his own.
3. Moving the kunai doesn't really prevent Minato from using FTG. He just needs a place to escape from. It doesn't matter where unless he's specifically targeting Tobirama's marks.
4. This is a double-edged sword. Gamabunta could probably use water style to turn the ground where Tobirama's marks are into mud, destroying the marks while Minato's kunai are intact.
Tobirama's edos aren't as strong as they were in life, so they most likely aren't going to be a hindrance to Minato other than the suicide techniques. This is countered by Minato using FTG, or by using space-time barrier. Minato can destroy the edo's bodies and seal them quickly. Also, if Minato touches Tobirama, he can use reverse contract seal to get rid of the edos.
If neither can mark one another in the fight, Tobirama would most likely win because of senju stamina. However, Minato's no slouch at stamina since he became a jinchuriki, which requires massive chakra to stand.
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Considering the points I listed above, it's far more likely that Minato would Mark Tobirama before that happened. Especially since Minato wouldn't let Tobirama set up his FTG.
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I'm pretty Sure it [the unit] had Kin Brothers U_U
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Otherwise Tobirama would've survived given his FTG
Also you said alias, I'm pretty sure that Uchiha never had yellow flash alias! A flee on sight order can't be an alias which I'm pretty sure was a hyperbole when chiyo said because A sharingan is rare even among the Uchiha and Mangekyo is something that only a few of them have!
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