Minato is actually weaker than a lot of Naruto Characters.
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For the last time, I DO NOT hate minato, I admit it was amazing what he did at the Kyuubi night and during the third world war. My only concern is his abilities might be badly matched against some of the other shinobis, that is all!
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Well current naruto, Hashirama and Madara are uber strong. So its not even fair comparing Minato against them. However, I wonder how Minato would survive Orochimaru and sm Kabuto who can recuperate and regenerate really fast. Minato's style of offense won't be that effective against them. Oro can absorb any physical hits by spamming shells and clones and he even absorbed a 4 tailed biijubomb as opposed to Minato's rasengan.
Oro said he would have without a doubt died from that Bijudama by the way.
Oro can heal some things, but damage such as, say, shearing through his brain with a kunai isn't something that healing alone would fix, if even possible. And after all, Kurenai did say that she wish Minato were still alive when she was discussing the threat Oro possessed back in Part 1. If his healing was all-powerful, that wouldn't have been said.
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Ohk fair enough. Still I am not convinced Minato can physically damage oro with his kunai. btw I think that was Anko not kurenai.Oro said he would have without a doubt died from that Bijudama by the way.
Oro can heal some things, but damage such as, say, shearing through his brain with a kunai isn't something that healing alone would fix, if even possible. And after all, Kurenai did say that she wish Minato were still alive when she was discussing the threat Oro possessed back in Part 1. If his healing was all-powerful, that wouldn't have been said.
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Feel free to correct my grammar.. because i'd b happy too.. Yup I know exactly what shame means, how about u? I' don't feel embarrassed & what's important is that I don't understand what ur trying 2 say.. Anyways, since u don't give a crap about ur writng den b it!
Back to ur statement, u said "Tobi is a clone who has sort of irregular shape".. R u serious? Can u give me some proof regarding dis matter..
1st let me say that I agree with the OP on the majority of this points.
And what's with people calling someone hater just because he states his opinion,folks this is a free forum,comprende?
I appreciated the emphasis place by the OP in distinguishing feats(which speak louder than words) and hype.
For Minato's fanbase it's a hard truth to accept but it is nevertheless,the guy didn't showcase feats worthy of been place in the upper echelon in comparison to the likes of Madara,Sasuke,Naruto,Itachi,Tobi,Kabuto,and another handful of shinobi.
With that said he isn't weak of only a blind reader would say that,but the credit he gets is too high for the little he's shown,blame it on Kishi,whatever but the guy can't compete with the current powerhouses in the manga.
He's something like "Prime Hiruzen",we only hear of them but never see what they're really made of.
And as Shikaku put it-"Legends from the distant past are always exaggerated, but eventually, someone outdoes them… that's when new legends are born!"
It's bound to happen that the living shinobi would surpass the legends from the past inevitably
Isn't it an unfair treatment towards Minato,he's not the only guy that died young.
And if he had more powerful offensive moves he would have used them against an immediate threat such as Tobi,that not only was in his village but was actually threatening to exterminate it.
So if he had the killer moves that was the perfect moment to pull them off
Typical shallow minded poster of the Naruto base,always quick on the name calling :sy:
Reading comprehension skills below 0 I see
Bee actually intercepted Minato's strike with his tentacle from a noteworthy distance and mind you that was young inexperienced Bee moving on par with the fastest shinobi alive.
Not only once but the 2nd time Minato tagged him,he reacted and threatened Minato that if he stabbed him he would stab back.
So I can let slide A but Bee was fu**ng impressive in that encounter and he was far from being Minato's b*itch as you wrongfully said..
And as we know Minato's kunai wouldn't have done jack squat,to the Raikage in his raiton shroud as a Chidori powered chokuto form Sauce didn't even thickle him.
And there are shinobi's like Kabuto,Tobi,Madara,Naruto,Nagato who can do what he did and better.
Hell Kabuto himself can wage war against the shinobi world in itself and even win with his army
A 13 year old Itachi managed to slaughter and entire clan(albeit with help),not because he single handedly over powered each of them because he assassinated them which was quite easier than to have to fight them at full force
You can't simply fight a Biju and win.
And if by win you mean seal,well the guy died in the process and the fox is still alive so I don't see where there's the winning.
And there are other shinobi who managed to do what he did and still live,namely the 3rd Raikage,who actually didn't even seal the hachibi he actually fought it in a manly fight and forced a freaking stalemate with a demon.
Hashirama fought a wild bloodlusted Madara with the fox at his side an not only managed to win,but also control the fox long enough for him to seal it in his wife
Now that's what I can accept as winning against a biju,not what Minato did
And what's with people calling someone hater just because he states his opinion,folks this is a free forum,comprende?
I appreciated the emphasis place by the OP in distinguishing feats(which speak louder than words) and hype.
For Minato's fanbase it's a hard truth to accept but it is nevertheless,the guy didn't showcase feats worthy of been place in the upper echelon in comparison to the likes of Madara,Sasuke,Naruto,Itachi,Tobi,Kabuto,and another handful of shinobi.
With that said he isn't weak of only a blind reader would say that,but the credit he gets is too high for the little he's shown,blame it on Kishi,whatever but the guy can't compete with the current powerhouses in the manga.
He's something like "Prime Hiruzen",we only hear of them but never see what they're really made of.
And as Shikaku put it-"Legends from the distant past are always exaggerated, but eventually, someone outdoes them… that's when new legends are born!"
It's bound to happen that the living shinobi would surpass the legends from the past inevitably
You're talking possibilities here,as we could give Minato the benefit of doubt then we can give it to the rest of the Narutoverse who haven't showcased a certain jutsu.
Isn't it an unfair treatment towards Minato,he's not the only guy that died young.
And if he had more powerful offensive moves he would have used them against an immediate threat such as Tobi,that not only was in his village but was actually threatening to exterminate it.
So if he had the killer moves that was the perfect moment to pull them off
You have no clue of what you're talking about
Typical shallow minded poster of the Naruto base,always quick on the name calling :sy:
Another one *sighs*
If you could actually read no where it was mentioned Minato to be weak,he stated in comparison to the top tiers we have now.
Reading comprehension skills below 0 I see
You have no idea what you're talking about dude
Bee actually intercepted Minato's strike with his tentacle from a noteworthy distance and mind you that was young inexperienced Bee moving on par with the fastest shinobi alive.
Not only once but the 2nd time Minato tagged him,he reacted and threatened Minato that if he stabbed him he would stab back.
So I can let slide A but Bee was fu**ng impressive in that encounter and he was far from being Minato's b*itch as you wrongfully said..
And as we know Minato's kunai wouldn't have done jack squat,to the Raikage in his raiton shroud as a Chidori powered chokuto form Sauce didn't even thickle him.
Konoha was in war with Iwagakure only.It's quite different from a world war,it's rather a village conflict to be precise.Not saying it wasn't impressive but let's not go overboard here.
And there are shinobi's like Kabuto,Tobi,Madara,Naruto,Nagato who can do what he did and better.
Hell Kabuto himself can wage war against the shinobi world in itself and even win with his army
Well a surprise attack doesn't equal a full blown fight,now does it?
A 13 year old Itachi managed to slaughter and entire clan(albeit with help),not because he single handedly over powered each of them because he assassinated them which was quite easier than to have to fight them at full force
On this one you're completely wrong.
You can't simply fight a Biju and win.
And if by win you mean seal,well the guy died in the process and the fox is still alive so I don't see where there's the winning.
And there are other shinobi who managed to do what he did and still live,namely the 3rd Raikage,who actually didn't even seal the hachibi he actually fought it in a manly fight and forced a freaking stalemate with a demon.
Hashirama fought a wild bloodlusted Madara with the fox at his side an not only managed to win,but also control the fox long enough for him to seal it in his wife
Now that's what I can accept as winning against a biju,not what Minato did
I love it when people say B "countered" Minato by pointing his katana backward. It's quite obvious from the fact that Minato didn't skewer his brain the instant he appeared behind B that it was just a threat to force A to let him leave as he was attempting to do.
I'm a huge Minato fan sure, so I'll seem biased to some. I don't fully buy into the whole "Feats are the only meaningful thing/Feats trump hype". The whole reason for an author hyping a character is generally because they don't have time or good placement to showcase what they're saying in the present storyline/context. However, it's not baseless conjecture. Obviously in the series, those characters have such status for a reason.
I'm a huge Minato fan sure, so I'll seem biased to some. I don't fully buy into the whole "Feats are the only meaningful thing/Feats trump hype". The whole reason for an author hyping a character is generally because they don't have time or good placement to showcase what they're saying in the present storyline/context. However, it's not baseless conjecture. Obviously in the series, those characters have such status for a reason.
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Has anything indicated that any village can do anything about the curse marks? Hiruzen already knew Sasuke had it (spoke of it right after the 2nd task in the Chunnin exam), and Anko still had hers, so it may not be possible to get rid of it.
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LMAO I was more like referring to the idiom "what a shame" but I guess you took it out of context. Just stop hitting on others for grammars when you yourself write and spell like a light headed scatterbrain. Try to talk more casually in the forums
Just watch episode 248, you will see how zetsu liquids were coming out of his body. Also, it was mentioned on more than one occasion that ""Tobi is just a shell of what Madara was". So I think he is just a unique clone of Madara created from senju dna and all the zetsu stuff. Tobi himself admitted that he is "No one" IMO he was created by Madara for the purpose of collecting all the biijus and then reviving the real Madara with the rinnegan when the time is right. Even Madara, after being revived by the edo tensai, admitted he was expecting to be revived by the rinnegan. Maybe my last statement was more like a speculation but the point is Tobi is nothing compared to Madara.
tobi is nothing compared to madara?LMAO I was more like referring to the idiom "what a shame" but I guess you took it out of context. Just stop hitting on others for grammars when you yourself write and spell like a light headed scatterbrain. Try to talk more casually in the forums
Just watch episode 248, you will see how zetsu liquids were coming out of his body. Also, it was mentioned on more than one occasion that ""Tobi is just a shell of what Madara was". So I think he is just a unique clone of Madara created from senju dna and all the zetsu stuff. Tobi himself admitted that he is "No one" IMO he was created by Madara for the purpose of collecting all the biijus and then reviving the real Madara with the rinnegan when the time is right. Even Madara, after being revived by the edo tensai, admitted he was expecting to be revived by the rinnegan. Maybe my last statement was more like a speculation but the point is Tobi is nothing compared to Madara.
if madara used that meteor on him tobi can use his s/t then suck him up to his pocket dimension as he is regenerating :rofl: tobi>>>>madara
His attacks comprise of
Kunai
Rasengan
Sending your own long ranged projectile attack back at you with ST barrier
Sealing you with-
Four Symbols Seal
Eight Trigrams seal
Dead Demon Seal
So he can attack Naruto with his own TBB
Sasuke with his own arrows(if he's formed the seals for the barrier)
Itachi with his own Yasaka Magatama
Nagato with his own missiles
Kisame with his own sharks
So those are power moves
As for defenses like Susanoo, Earth walls whatever, he can mark them then teleport behind the marked layer to kill whoever's defending himself.
As for opponents like Raikage, Kabuto, Edo Madara he can seal them by-
Teleporting to another location and preparing a seal
Returning to teleport them to that location without physical contact as he did with Kyubi
Sealing them immediately they arrive in that location into objects or toads or himself even.
Kunai
Rasengan
Sending your own long ranged projectile attack back at you with ST barrier
Sealing you with-
Four Symbols Seal
Eight Trigrams seal
Dead Demon Seal
So he can attack Naruto with his own TBB
Sasuke with his own arrows(if he's formed the seals for the barrier)
Itachi with his own Yasaka Magatama
Nagato with his own missiles
Kisame with his own sharks
So those are power moves
As for defenses like Susanoo, Earth walls whatever, he can mark them then teleport behind the marked layer to kill whoever's defending himself.
As for opponents like Raikage, Kabuto, Edo Madara he can seal them by-
Teleporting to another location and preparing a seal
Returning to teleport them to that location without physical contact as he did with Kyubi
Sealing them immediately they arrive in that location into objects or toads or himself even.
MangekyouJ
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Have you ever thought in your mind that maybe....JUST MAYBE, that there is a time a place for every jutsu that would work well in those conditions...
THIS ^^^^^ I AGREE
You right...and Minato figured out very quickly the first time that he was intangible and look what happen...he adapted and SMASH THE SH!T outta Tobi....
Tobi got took to school and them haters mad of how intelligent he got after the first shot...
Ok...I stopped reading after the second page....Kishi didn't have to do really anything, he show and gave exactly what he wanted the viewers to see. That was the only technique Naruto knew that'll actually cause damage...Unlike Sasuke who knew a SH!T load of Katon style techs. I guarunteed if he had lived a lot longer, he probably would've perfected the Rasengan....as powerful as it was due to its incompleteness, that was devastating enough.....Featwise choji looks weak....but he's a lot better than most of the Konoha 11. Either way, Minato is no way shape or form weak. It's sad his end came too soon so we could see his full arsenal....but what else can you hope for...
Grammar Nazi
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Fair enough Tobi's s/t jutsu is making me rethink what I just said. But then again that was a pure speculation and only time would tell. Who knows maybe Madara has s/t too. Still Tobi doesn't look too durable to me.tobi is nothing compared to madara?