Minato/Hashirama in theory can 1 shot Madara

[Mellanoma]

After further analysis I realize that Edo Madara in theory can be 1 shot by minato

First off

Contract seal: Removes the ability of the controller to control his/her summon.


Madara: Released himself and thus gained control of his summoned self and became his own controller

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Meaning...

If Minato or Hashirama uses This:

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Madara will lose his ability to control himself and will become like:

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Thoughts?

 

[Urda]

Summoning Technique and Edo Tensei Technoqie are two different Jutsu/techniques. One is signing a blood contract and the other is utilizing a special charm placed inside the brain to posses the individual being Reincarnated.

 

[-Sky-]

Summoning Technique and Edo Tensei are two different Jutsu/techniques.

But Edo Tensei is a summoning jutsu. It could work.. But I don't see this being used

 

[- J AV -]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :nexus::|

 

[-ahhimane-]

Minato/Hashirama can possibly break the summoning contract but cannot make a seal to control the summoned.
We have seen Minato couldn't control the Kyuubi.
Hashirama only gave a sleeping dose to Kyuubi but couldn't control him. He can tame the Kyuubi.

By the way, Edo Madara broke the ET control contract with Kabuto. The one who summoned Madara was Muu. Also Muu wasn't possessed by Kabuto during the summoning jutsu.

Your thread is partially correct.

 

[Mellanoma]

Minato/Hashirama can possibly break the summoning contract but cannot make a seal to control the summoned.
We have seen Minato couldn't control the Kyuubi.
Hashirama only gave a sleeping dose to Kyuubi but couldn't control him. He can tame the Kyuubi.

By the way, Edo Madara broke the ET control contract with Kabuto. The one who summoned Madara was Muu. Also Muu wasn't possessed by Kabuto during the summoning jutsu.

Your thread is partially correct.

Never stated controlling Madara simply stated removing Madara control from himself.. which you pretty much agreed on. thanks though

 

[Urda]

But Edo Tensei is a summoning jutsu. It could work.. But I don't see this being used

Darn. I forgot about that. I was trying to say their functions or mechanical as to how they work are two different things. Yes, I agree.

 

[The Sach]

Each summon has his own contract seal which makes itself different from all other summonings.
Madara was able to break edo tensei by breaking contract with Kabuto's edo tensei(note here is it was Kabuto's edo tensei)
so your point which says that they should control the summon(Madara) is wrong, since neither Minato nor Hashirama no edo tensei summoning contract seal..
And even if they know it each person has it's own edo tensei contract and on top of that method, so this point is invalid..U_U

 

[Mellanoma]

Each summon has his own contract seal which makes itself different from all other summonings.
Madara was able to break edo tensei by breaking contract with Kabuto's edo tensei(note here is it was Kabuto's edo tensei)
so your point which says that they should control the summon(Madara) is wrong, since neither Minato nor Hashirama no edo tensei summoning contract seal..
And even if they know it each person has it's own edo tensei contract and on top of that method, so this point is invalid..U_U

Fair enough. Show me the scans though

Reason I ask? Cause Edo Tensei users are all under 1 contract.

How I know? Because Kabuto released them all. He uses talismans to control them seperately.

Lastly, Madara released himself from the contract itself but that does not make him any less of a summoned person. Since he has no contract he is his own controller and the contract seal breaks control between the summon and the controller which in Madara case is himself

 

[The Sach]

Fair enough. Show me the scans though

OK scans about what, different procedure, or how they can't do that thing??

 

[Mellanoma]

OK scans about what, different procedure, or how they can't do that thing??

I edited it read up

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

No, Madara released his contract himself so he is a free Edo tensei Ninja. If they used that seal on Kabuto, he would lose control, which would mean all the other edo tensei would be free to roam too. Only way to undo it, as Kabuto has stated a few times, is for the user to end it himself. Killing him wont end it.

Madara isn't controlling the contract on himself he wasnt the caster. So no, this theory isnt correct.

That seal u mentioned, all it does is release the summoned person/creature from the contract, dosent mean they disappear. Kyuubi dosent disappear from the battle when the seal was used, he was just released from controll. Same would apply on edo tensei

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Contract Seal: Removes the ability of the victim to control his or her summon.


That alone explains why it does not work.



1. The Contract that existed is between Kabuto and Madara

2. That contract was already broken by Madara

3. Madara did not sign a contract with himself


Thus, no contract remains to be broken as no contract exists between a summon and a summoner: especially since it exists between two separate entities, but even more so because of this:

The contracted object that was lost, has never died or faded. They just operate independently of one another.



As such, even if hit, Madara being himself, cannot be separated or if he was would theoretically automatically reconnect as nothing exists to disconnect in the first place.



Madara is currently closer to a Fuinjutsu than a Contract seal.

His soul is being bound to the Kunai on his host's head. Since the contract seal does not destroy this... Madara cannot be one shotted.





But I mean, you can literally say anyone can one shot anyone in theory... Since a Kunai to the face or decapitation IS basically a kill shot except edos where any sealing technique works.

 

[Mellanoma]

No, Madara released his contract himself so he is a free Edo tensei Ninja. If they used that seal on Kabuto, he would lose control, which would mean all the other edo tensei would be free to roam too. Only way to undo it, as Kabuto has stated a few times, is for the user to end it himself. Killing him wont end it.

Madara isn't controlling the contract on himself he wasnt the caster. So no, this theory isnt correct.

That seal u mentioned, all it does is release the summoned person/creature from the contract, dosent mean they disappear. Kyuubi dosent disappear from the battle when the seal was used, he was just released from controll. Same would apply on edo tensei

It releases control..

 

[Mellanoma]

Hashirama never used the contract seal in the manga, only in a game animation

Didn't he use it against Madara at VOTE? Thought Shinshin statue used it when it pet kurama on the head. If not then ill remove him

Contract Seal: Removes the ability of the victim to control his or her summon.


That alone explains why it does not work.



1. The Contract that existed is between Kabuto and Madara

2. That contract was already broken by Madara

3. Madara did not sign a contract with himself


Thus, no contract remains to be broken as no contract exists between a summon and a summoner: especially since it exists between two separate entities, but even more so because of this:

The contracted object that was lost, has never died or faded. They just operate independently of one another.



As such, even if hit, Madara being himself, cannot be separated or if he was would theoretically automatically reconnect as nothing exists to disconnect in the first place.



Madara is currently closer to a Fuinjutsu than a Contract seal.

His soul is being bound to the Kunai on his host's head. Since the contract seal does not destroy this... Madara cannot be one shotted.





But I mean, you can literally say anyone can one shot anyone in theory... Since a Kunai to the face or decapitation IS basically a kill shot except edos where any sealing technique works.

Madara is his own controller and he is a summon

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

It releases control..

Thats what I said..
Madara didnt cast Edo Tensei...So he cannot be removed from himself.
That seal only works on the user.

Obito summoned Kurama, Minato used it on him, Kurama was free from CONTROL.

Kabuto summoned Madara via Muu, Madara released himself of control. Using that seal on him dosent make sense, cuz he is not in control of edo tensei, he is just a summon that was free from the control of the summoner. Its not a hard concept to understand. He is technically a immotral body now. Under no contract, so the seal wouldnt work.

 

[The Sach]

Fair enough. Show me the scans though

Reason I ask? Cause Edo Tensei users are all under 1 contract.

How I know? Because Kabuto released them all. He uses talismans to control them seperately.

Lastly, Madara released himself from the contract itself but that does not make him any less of a summoned person. Since he has no contract he is his own controller and the contract seal breaks control between the summon and the controller which in Madara case is himself

OK, let's go through it pointwise.
1. Nup it's not actually under same contract, because contract requires blood activation, and edo tensei requires DNA of the guy you want to reincarnate,

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Note Kabuto takes Torune's blood on his Kunai, places them on his contract, and then starts Edo tensei.
2. But point here is all of them are bounded by same hand seals, and hence when Kabuto released the technique, all of them were released.
3. When Madara did break edo tensei, he became nothing but a summon person, who can control himself, OK, so because Madara cut off that contract(by overcoming the 'effect' of edo tensei, same thing that Itachi did using Amaterasu), but Itachi was still released because Itachi didn't know a way to break 'his edo tensei contract', Madara knew it.
4. Now why Hashi and Minato can't do that?
Because they don't know the contract through which Madara was bound, so they can establish it again, even if they know 'edo tensei'..:yeah:

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

Didn't he use it against Madara at VOTE? Thought Shinshin statue used it when it pet kurama on the head. If not then ill remove him




Madara is his own controller and he is a summon

No, his Mokuton itself supresses Bijuu which as been stated several times throughout shippuden, thats why Yamato was assigned to Team 7 in case Naruto rampaged Kurama's powers.
I think its time you went back and re-read the manga.

 

[Bronze]

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[Aya San]

The contract was already broken, meaning Madara is running free, it won't do anything to Madara U_U