Minato counter for Itach´si jutsu arsenal
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Sidenote: the discussions on the base get more cancerous by the post. Lol since Minato is a "sensor" he automatically senses Itachi's genjutsu lol
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The Necromancer
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To be fair, it's better than the usual dreck I often read in these threads, where "Minato was a Hokage so of course genjutsu isn't going to work on him" is apparently a logical and fair point to make.
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Itachi has more feats so of course it's going to be hard bringing in facts.
Minato is the dead character while Itachi had more screentime, and unlike Minato he wasn't dead.
So I'm cool whenever they compare them because that speaks a lot more for Minato than Itachi whose abilities we know from A to Z.
And with Minato we kind of have to use that linear method because his arsenal isn't extensive to begin with. Plus we don't have actual data on him. We can only speculate as to what he would do given a situation while Itachi has shown feats which we can use from just recalling.
I also have to point out that words alone of the character aren't enough to draw a conclusion as Minato can't use Sage Mode for over a minute. He may have stated he virtually could use it but we don't know how true that is because of his modest nature and personality.
Hence until we got a clue of Minato (we've never seen Minato actually fight and be pushed over his limit, the alive Minato that is) and that's impossible now for obvious reasons, a comparison between the two will never be fair. But for the fun of it, a comparison won't hurt.
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Itachi does not and will not ever beat Minato. Genjutsu is his only path to victory, but he needs to make eye contact or Minato needs to see his finger first. Minato while using Hiraishin cannot be followed (similar to why Ay said Sharingan Genjutsu is useless against him, because he's too fast) and since Minato can sense his position he has no need to look into his eyes.
The other reason why eye contact (and finger gen) is highly unlikely is because Itachi needs to maintain above a V2 Susanoo if he wants to survive Minato's onslaught as FCD is enough to take out Ribcage completely and do some good damage to V2 while pinning it and Itachi.
-Minato can keep his distance as he has no reason to attack while Susanoo is up. More distance=Less chance of landing Genjutsu assuming Itachi is still visible.
-Minato has clones. Clones=Less chance (or no chance if the original doesn't engage) of landing Genjutsu on the original as we've seen in the Manga.
If we allow Minato the Elder Toads it becomes even easier for him since he now has a way to finish Itachi (Sound Gen) without waiting for Susanoo to go down. The rest of Itachi's arsenal is not worth mentioning because of Hiraishin.
Oh yeah, and for those arguing this point. It should be pretty obvious that Ephemeral works when your opponent sees your finger instead of the eyes.
-Itachi says his finger can be substitute for Sharingan when it comes to casting Genjutsu. That's evidence they work in the same way.
-Naruto is blatantly shown looking at his finger in the attempt to not look at his eyes.
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That's not needed if you can sense his position on top of it.The other reason why eye contact (and finger gen) is highly unlikely is because Itachi needs to maintain above a V2 Susanoo if he wants to survive Minato's onslaught as FCD is enough to take out Ribcage completely and do some good damage to V2 while pinning it and Itachi.
-Minato can keep his distance as he has no reason to attack while Susanoo is up. More distance=Less chance of landing Genjutsu assuming Itachi is still visible.
-Minato has clones. Clones=Less chance (or no chance if the original doesn't engage) of landing Genjutsu on the original as we've seen in the Manga.
If we allow Minato the Elder Toads it becomes even easier for him since he now has a way to finish Itachi (Sound Gen) without waiting for Susanoo to go down. The rest of Itachi's arsenal is not worth mentioning because of Hiraishin.
Oh yeah, and for those arguing this point. It should be pretty obvious that Ephemeral works when your opponent sees your finger instead of the eyes.
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-Itachi says his finger can be substitute for Sharingan when it comes to casting Genjutsu. That's evidence they work in the same way.
-Naruto is blatantly shown looking at his finger in the attempt to not look at his eyes.
Ephemeral can be used through any body part, not just his finger, which makes Itachi even more deadly.
Minato is not making it through Genjutsu.Apex said:
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TillIFoundOut
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Lol fan fiction!!!!!!
Never seen fugaku fight, supposedly only good for his genjutsu
Can sage mode users get trapped in genjutsu, because if Minato goes sage mode its a wrap!
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salamander uchiha
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Who said sage mode users can't get trapped in Genjutsu? And we've seen the calibre of Minatos sage mode to boot. Everyone can be trapped in Genjutsu even sharingan users it's only who can break free.
Anyway nice fanfic.
Tauren Chieftain
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I didn´t say Itachi senses genjutsu before its used. As said by Karin person inside genjutsu has disturbance in chakra flow and that is something sensors can sense. So if Minato is caught clone would sense disturbance in chakra flow and release it.
Tauren Chieftain
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1. You said Itachi hand seals speed is number one so he would have advantage.
What you forget is that Minato reflexes are faster so at very moment battle starts Minato would be first to react and first to start using hand seal and he only needs one for shadow clones. So Minato still wins.
2. What the **** you are saying its not speculation its a fact Naruto was clearly shown looking at Itachi finger
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Naruto said " It was then " meaning thats was the point he was caught into genjutsu.
Tauren Chieftain
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1. Naruto clone fought 3 Raikage and he used sensing
2. What is point in asking this when clones can use everything original can if they have enough chakra.
Tauren Chieftain
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He can only use this Empheral jutsu with finger nothing implies different
1. Does Itachi have feats of using it except with finger ?
2. Where in manga is even said that he can use it with any part of his body ?
In both translations Itachi said he isn´t only restricted to eyes when he needs to cast genjutsu. True.
But why you only metion that part why you dont mention what comes after that sentence where he explains everything . In both translations he says he can cast it with finger and doesn´t mention anything else.
So you are trying to trick someone by showing us only half of the Itachi words.
Really weak strategy.
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Tauren Chieftain
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I dont really know which translation is true but I remember that C (Raikage bodyguard) said that while in Raiton armour his reflexes are on pair with Minato´s and that Sharingan can´t keep up with his speed.
