Minato counter for Itach´si jutsu arsenal

[Quanta]

Can't Itachi create clones to counter those minato clones as well? Besides, once Itachi successfully land a genjutsu he can finish off the fight by casting Tsukuyomi on top of the previous genjutsu. And he can order Minato to release all clones with genjutsu as well.

A) How can Minato FTG blitz Itachi from 100m when he either needs to send a kunai or mark a place near Itachi to teleport?

B) You're giving Minato FTG tags outside the battlefield too?

 

[The Necromancer]

You already lost by sentence one. Itachi has the fastest seal speed in the manga; faster than even the Sharingan can keep track of. By the time Minato can make even a single shadow clone, Itachi has already made the seals and cast his Finger Genjutsu.

Literally Minato's only chance is to try a Shunshin blitz, but seeing as how Itachi can activate Susano'o in 1/1000th of a second, that's not going to work either.

Minato's arsenal can win against Itachi, but only if he can win turn 1. And he can never win turn 1.

 

[Genocide]

cuts his ears

i think it would work

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

You already lost by sentence one. Itachi has the fastest seal speed in the manga; faster than even the Sharingan can keep track of. By the time Minato can make even a single shadow clone, Itachi has already made the seals and cast his Finger Genjutsu.

Literally Minato's only chance is to try a Shunshin blitz, but seeing as how Itachi can activate Susano'o in 1/1000th of a second, that's not going to work either.

Minato's arsenal can win against Itachi, but only if he can win turn 1. And he can never win turn 1.

That's how Itachi loses.

Minato will push him further until he tires with using Susanoo, while Itachi can't put pressure on Minato since he practically can slip out of anything Itachi throws at him.

Realizing he's encapsulated by genutsu prowess is all it takes for Minato to escape. And we've already went over how Minato is an excellent sensor-type (he could simply place his finger on the ground and deduce how many shinobi there were within his vicinity)

So I can actually see Minato detecting every time he's placed under genjutsu and teleporting away causing a disturbance in Itachi's control which is the formula for genjutsu.

And yeah, Minato doesn't have many chances, but so does Itachi. Both are formidable opponents that are famous for exploiting weaknesses, but it comes down to durability and how much intel the other can gather to exploit.

I can also see Itachi winning, but his chance is Tsukuyomi, and tricking Minato in the coordination of his kunai. But he can't damage him with ninjutsu or taijutsu alone and that's where Minato pops up.

But it'd be an epic fight to watch.

 

[The Necromancer]

That's how Itachi loses.

Minato will push him further until he tires with using Susanoo, while Itachi can't put pressure on Minato since he practically can slip out of anything Itachi throws at him.

Realizing he's encapsulated by genutsu prowess is all it takes for Minato to escape. And we've already went over how Minato is an excellent sensor-type (he could simply place his finger on the ground and deduce how many shinobi there were within his vicinity)

So I can actually see Minato detecting every time he's placed under genjutsu and teleporting away causing a disturbance in Itachi's control which is the formula for genjutsu.

And yeah, Minato doesn't have many chances, but so does Itachi. Both are formidable opponents that are famous for exploiting weaknesses, but it comes down to durability and how much intel the other can gather to exploit.

I can also see Itachi winning, but his chance is Tsukuyomi, and tricking Minato in the coordination of his kunai. But he can't damage him with ninjutsu or taijutsu alone and that's where Minato pops up.

But it'd be an epic fight to watch.

Except that Minato has no technique to get through Susano'o, so Itachi can just stand there and cast genjutsu all the same.

As for "sensing he's in a genjutsu" that argument has been laughable from the start. You cannot use jutsus while using a sensing technique, which means he will die, and Itachi's genjutsu are complex enough that you can't tell you're even in one unless he tells you or makes it overly obvious.

The second Minato is in genjutsu the fight is over, and Minato is in genjutsu 10 seconds into the fight in literally every scenario except the one were Minato runs away.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Except that Minato has no technique to get through Susano'o, so Itachi can just stand there and cast genjutsu all the same.

As for "sensing he's in a genjutsu" that argument has been laughable from the start. You cannot use jutsus while using a sensing technique, which means he will die, and Itachi's genjutsu are complex enough that you can't tell you're even in one unless he tells you or makes it overly obvious.

The second Minato is in genjutsu the fight is over, and Minato is in genjutsu 10 seconds into the fight in literally every scenario except the one were Minato runs away.

He simply doesn't have to bypass Susanoo.

He'll quickly realize that Itachi is getting a huge strain from manifesting Susanoo and works his way from there because that's just his Minato is.

The genjutsu case is debatable. But it's the same for Itachi. Minato may throw a regular kunai and Itachi may deflect it thinking it's just another kunai and Minato ends him right there.

Itachi's first genjutsu are never extreme. He always starts off with a simple genjutsu which Minato will surely break out of since he's a great sensor. He won't think to look him in the eye again knowing the outcome of that. He's a genius for a reason.

Also, he could just throw in a shadow clone if he realizes that Itachi's genjutsu is too tricky while he bangs Kushina in Konoha.

Plus seriously, a shadow clone with 70% of Minato's chakra would be enough to exhaust Itachi to the point of losing his eyesight.

 

[Tyris]

Minato could warp Totsuka/Susanoo away with Hiraishin guiding thunder.

Doubt Itachi's Ms will break the frog genjutsu...it couldn't break out of Tayuya's sound genjutsu on it's own.





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Sorry faps who've never won this debate since this base' s glory days.. He Who Cannot Be Soloed handles y'mans with crow clones and a yuyuhagenjutsu solo gun

 

[Tantalus Thief]

That's how Itachi loses.

Minato will push him further until he tires with using Susanoo, while Itachi can't put pressure on Minato since he practically can slip out of anything Itachi throws at him.

Realizing he's encapsulated by genutsu prowess is all it takes for Minato to escape. And we've already went over how Minato is an excellent sensor-type (he could simply place his finger on the ground and deduce how many shinobi there were within his vicinity)

So I can actually see Minato detecting every time he's placed under genjutsu and teleporting away causing a disturbance in Itachi's control which is the formula for genjutsu.

And yeah, Minato doesn't have many chances, but so does Itachi. Both are formidable opponents that are famous for exploiting weaknesses, but it comes down to durability and how much intel the other can gather to exploit.

I can also see Itachi winning, but his chance is Tsukuyomi, and tricking Minato in the coordination of his kunai. But he can't damage him with ninjutsu or taijutsu alone and that's where Minato pops up.

But it'd be an epic fight to watch.

In the event Minato is caught by genjutsu he is done for! No questions or objections about that. Orochimaru got humilated, C who is a sensor also got humiliated and Kabuto decided to block out sight just to avoid uchiha genjutsu. No reason to believe Minato would be any diffirent and his sensing would help when even expert sensors like C and Kabuto either feared uchiha genjutsu or were caught in it and when an experienced and genius shinobi like Orochimaru was completely fodderized by one

 

[Tyris]

He simply doesn't have to bypass Susanoo.

He'll quickly realize that Itachi is getting a huge strain from manifesting Susanoo and works his way from there because that's just his Minato is.

The genjutsu case is debatable. But it's the same for Itachi. Minato may throw a regular kunai and Itachi may deflect it thinking it's just another kunai and Minato ends him right there.

Itachi's first genjutsu are never extreme. He always starts off with a simple genjutsu which Minato will surely break out of since he's a great sensor. He won't think to look him in the eye again knowing the outcome of that. He's a genius for a reason.

Also, he could just throw in a shadow clone if he realizes that Itachi's genjutsu is too tricky while he bangs Kushina in Konoha.

Plus seriously, a shadow clone with 70% of Minato's chakra would be enough to exhaust Itachi to the point of losing his eyesight.

ItaSama has no equal in shuriken jutsu buddy no kunai goes where it's intended and unlike minato m'Lord Crow has intel..

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

In the even Minato is caught by genjutsu he is done for! No questions or objections about that. Orochimaru got humilated, C who is a sensor also got humiliated and Kabuto decided to block out sight just to avoid uchiha genjutsu. No reason to believe Minato would be any diffirent and his sensing would help when even expert sensors like C and Kabuto either feared uchiha genjutsu or were caught in it and when an experienced and genius shinobi like Orochimaru was completely fodderized by one

I don't see it being difficult for Minato to simply touch him (so FTG + throat slit connects).

It evidently wasn't difficult for Kakashi.

 

[The Necromancer]

He simply doesn't have to bypass Susanoo.

He'll quickly realize that Itachi is getting a huge strain from manifesting Susanoo and works his way from there because that's just his Minato is.

This is literally meaningless. Equivalent to "Minato wins because that's how it is." I deal in facts, not rampant speculation.

The genjutsu case is debatable. But it's the same for Itachi. Minato may throw a regular kunai and Itachi may deflect it thinking it's just another kunai and Minato ends him right there.

Battle has been set with full intel. They both know each other's moves. The rest of my points about genjutsu are absolutely not debatable, so you need to bring different facts.

Itachi's first genjutsu are never extreme. He always starts off with a simple genjutsu which Minato will surely break out of since he's a great sensor. He won't think to look him in the eye again knowing the outcome of that. He's a genius for a reason.

Again, this sentence is meaningless. You have no idea how these scenarios work. You can't just say Minato breaks out because he's a sensor when I have already explained why that is bullshit.

Also, he could just throw in a shadow clone if he realizes that Itachi's genjutsu is too tricky while he bangs Kushina in Konoha.

This is pathetic.

Plus seriously, a shadow clone with 70% of Minato's chakra would be enough to exhaust Itachi to the point of losing his eyesight.

It's like you're illiterate or something.

I don't see it being difficult for Minato to simply touch him (so FTG + throat slit connects).

It evidently wasn't difficult for Kakashi.

And I don't see it being difficult for Itachi to point at Minato and end the fight right there.

It evidently wasn't difficult in literally any of Itachi's fights.

If you don't start commenting with your brain, this will be my last response, because this debate has been beaten into the ground, and I don't see you being the one to tip the scales back over.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I am sure someone is going to post another thread listing why Itachi is better than Minato. But I agree that Minato is not defenseless against Itachi's abilities as many would want to believe.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

This is literally meaningless. Equivalent to "Minato wins because that's how it is." I deal in facts, not rampant speculation.



Battle has been set with full intel. They both know each other's moves. The rest of my points about genjutsu are absolutely not debatable, so you need to bring different facts.



Again, this sentence is meaningless. You have no idea how these scenarios work. You can't just say Minato breaks out because he's a sensor when I have already explained why that is bullshit.



This is pathetic.



It's like you're illiterate or something.

*sigh* I can already see where this going to go, so I'll stop it right here before it turns into a senseless argument.

The bottom line is Itachi has to catch Minato first, and that isn't happening when Minato can simply goku himself from one place to another, and you obviously have superficial understanding of how genjutsu works so I'm not gonna throw myself into that. There is a reason why Madara literally had to immobilize A so he could place him under genjutsu.

Just be glad I'm using a shitty phone right now because I have scans that support my reason behind thinking Itachi wouldn't be able to secure a win.

 

[The Necromancer]

*sigh* I already can see where this going to go, so I'll stop it right here before it turns into a senseless argument.

The bottom line is Itachi has to catch Minato first, and that isn't happening when Minato can simply goku himself from one place to another, and you obviouslygave superficial understanding of how genjutsu works so I'm not gonna throw myself into that. There is a reason why Madara literally had to immobilize A so he could place under genjutsu.

Just be glad I'm using a shitty phone right now because I have scans that supports my reason behind thinking Itachi wouldn't be able to secure a win.

Your ignorant belief that Sharingan genjutsu and Itachi's Ephemeral work using the same mechanics is why your arguments will fall flat.

Run along now, and come back when you have actual facts rather than "because that's how Minato is."

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

You already lost by sentence one. Itachi has the fastest seal speed in the manga; faster than even the Sharingan can keep track of. By the time Minato can make even a single shadow clone, Itachi has already made the seals and cast his Finger Genjutsu.

Literally Minato's only chance is to try a Shunshin blitz, but seeing as how Itachi can activate Susano'o in 1/1000th of a second, that's not going to work either.

Minato's arsenal can win against Itachi, but only if he can win turn 1. And he can never win turn 1.

Haha most idiotic post I have ever read.you cornered yourself by not reading full Intel which means minato would have knowledge on finger jutsu.

 

[The Necromancer]

Haha most idiotic post I have ever read.you cornered yourself by not reading full Intel which means minato would have knowledge on finger jutsu.

Having knowledge does not in any way mean he can avoid it anymore than I can avoid a bullet just because I know there's a gun to my head. Try again.

 

[Liquid Snake]

Why is this even a debate of course minato wins evenif itachi has susanoo minato has seals to get rid of that susanoo is just chakra. One touch from minato the fight is over he can ftg into susanoo. He is faster and if gai can fight without looking into someones eyes minato definitely can. Itachi only has advantage in genjutsu what is that to a kage lvl shinobi even sakura can break a genjutsu herself lol.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

The moment battle starts minato closes his eyes and still can wave sign for clones.

 

[The Necromancer]

The moment battle starts minato closes his eyes and still can wave sign for clones.

Closing your eyes doesn't stop me from pointing at you, dude.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Closing your eyes doesn't stop me from pointing at you, dude.

Haha opponent first must look into itachi finger for genjutsu to work haha.