Minato can't summon the toad sages!

[AGoodBoy]

Sorry i don't get your point?

You are saying minato does not need to wait for summoning ma and pa because it takes 10 minutes when he can easily solo his opponent within few seconds?
this is true but ...
Well.. i think it depends on situation.

Anyways, He himself admitted that he is not really good in senjutsu and he have never used it in a battle in past.
I don't see any point of discussing it any further.

No, I'm saying there's literally no point in it. The fights never last long enough to warrant him using SM... Either he escapes or kills his opponents in under a minute. Out of the 3-4 fights we've seen of him (including those with armies and kages) none lasted more than a minute. When would he get a chance to hold his hands together for 10 minutes to summon ma and pa? Why would he do it...? From his feats, the only people who even warrant him wasting that much time are people like madara, hashi and a small group of others.... Even Obito got 2 shotted when he had a buttload of advantages and surprise attacks....

He's not good at it because he doesn't usually fight with it and he can't maintain it long. Doesn't mean he can't camp it for as long as his stock wills if he fuses with ma and pa.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

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If you remember, Pa also stated how naruto surpassed his predecessors.
Naruto's SM was definitely better than others. And no he was not referring to him making clones to use it for longer period.


hmm
i get your point but i doubt minato was referring to the 5 minutes time limit SM has when he said he can't maintain it for long.
For a person who can end fights within seconds, 5 minutes is a long time.

Also, it did not take much long for naruto to get into SM as seen here :

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i think we can agree to disagree at this point

What you are saying does not match with what minato is saying in the manga.
minato's lack of confidence over his SM skills is more than enough proof that SM is not his forte.

Whether he can fuse with ma and pa or not is debatable.
minato did say he never used it in a battle.

Minato lacks SM feats and him saying, he sucks at SM does not help his case either.

I would still stick to my point that he can't fuse with ma and pa.

And the only way you cannot fuse with Ma and Pa is if you have an unwilling Biju inside of you (hence why Naruto couldnt do it, Kyubi stated "I did not wish to share a room with a toad"), but Minato and his half of Kurama seem to be working together. Lol the manga clearly proves you wrong

 

[Demonic.]

I think what he means is. He can't summon them any more cause he has no arms?

 

[Gold Lightning]

lol...I never said jiraiya can enter it on his own. How did you come to such a conclusion -_-

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@bold,
manga clearly states otherwise.

Good grief U_U you said jiraya can actually maintain sage mode and its power. How can he possibly do that if he can't even enter sage mode? The only reason his sage mode works is because the toads do all the work for him.

The scan you showed me doesn't disprove anything I said. I said he can balance the nature energy perfectly and maintain it with the toads. Yet you show me a scan saying it takes too long to knead chakra and maintain it for long. What does that have to do with balance?

Yes minato can't maintain it for long.. NEWS FLASH! That's the same for all sage mode users, it's the risk of toad sage mode:

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Even Kabuto needed Jugos abilities to be able to maintain his sage mode, otherwise his would run out too quickly.

And yeah minato said it takes him time to knead the chakra, you act like this only applies to minato. It was already explained that you need to buy time to gather the nature energy:

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But this is what the amphibian technique is for, Fukasaku did the same thing with jiraya because he had all the same problems that you're trying to only apply to minato:

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Everything Minato said are the same things Fukasaku has already addressed. The risks that come with sage mode applied to Naruto when he first started. So please explain to me why minato fusing with the toads won't work.

 

[xxSAGExx]

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If you remember, Pa also stated how naruto surpassed his predecessors.
Naruto's SM was definitely better than others. And no he was not referring to him making clones to use it for longer period.


hmm
i get your point but i doubt minato was referring to the 5 minutes time limit SM has when he said he can't maintain it for long.
For a person who can end fights within seconds, 5 minutes is a long time.

Also, it did not take much long for naruto to get into SM as seen here :

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i think we can agree to disagree at this point

What you are saying does not match with what minato is saying in the manga.
minato's lack of confidence over his SM skills is more than enough proof that SM is not his forte.

Whether he can fuse with ma and pa or not is debatable.
minato did say he never used it in a battle.

Minato lacks SM feats and him saying, he sucks at SM does not help his case either.

I would still stick to my point that he can't fuse with ma and pa.

After saying he wasn't good at Senjutsu he goes on to mention the downside of SM which made Naruto call SM useless. Minato said he wasn't good at it and Naruto called it useless both also saying the downside or upon hearing it. Minato was talking about the downside when he said he wasn't good at it since it contradicts his fighting style of remaining still to gather the natural energy and that it doesn't last long

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What makes you think it wasn't due to Naruto having perfect Sage mode and the use of his clones? Being able to use or improve the usage of a jutsu or skill with another would make Naruto better since the others never did it or couldn't in Jiraiya's case. Unlike Minato and Jiraiya, Naruto can summon clones to gather natural energy for him while he's fighting and not have to waste more chakra in summoning the Sage toads to do so. That alone makes Naruto surpass both since they would both be depended on the toads for SM or for an extended time in SM. Naruto also was training to gather natural energy while moving and even though he failed, he showed drive to take SM beyond what it's at now.

Minato ends his fights fast because he strikes fast but he can't do that if he have to sit completely still to gather the natural energy and is why he doesn't use it in combat. Why risk his comrades to go SM when he can take care of the opponent how he is? He would only be losing comrades if he did that or allow the other team time to make strategies, get backup, attack them. In your example, Naruto had a lot of his chakra absorbed from Pein so the amount of natural energy he would need to go SM would be less than him at full power but he was still gathering more natural energy so Pein would absorb natural energy and be turned to stone. Later on it shows Naruto's clones going SM

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and it did take a while as he said sorry for taking to long

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Actually it does match. Minato saying he wasn't good with Senjutsu since it takes a while to make and then only last for a few minutes fits in perfectly since he can't use it for a longer period. He can already make the chakra, using it for his jutsus would be the same as regular chakra and only creating it is the real issue without the toads, comrades, or use of clones. He also could be comparing himself to Naruto who went SM against Juubito and Naruto trained to prolong his time in SM and the time it takes to go SM.

Minato not needing to use SM only shows how strong he is to not need to go in it and it doesn't go with his fighting style since he would be winning the fight in the time it takes for him to go into SM. Minato is clearly better than Jiraiya who doesn't go SM much himself since he doesn't like his toad like features so he can just fuse with the toads to maintain his senjutsu as he fights if he really needs to use it. If Jiraiya who can't even go imperfect SM without the frogs can fuse with them then why can't Minato who can go SM himself? The toad would be handling the senjutsu to keep it replenished.

 

[Curteth]

Also...besides Naruto.. Minato was d only one able to summon boss toad or watever he's called..

J-man.... cough. :x

 

[Narutimate Storm]

I think what he means is. He can't summon them any more cause he has no arms?

No that is not what I meant .

@Frikid
Sorry but after reading all these long posts, the people arguing against you are making more sense.

Ok maybe I was wrong and minato can summon the sage toads. But I still not sure how exactly sage minato becomes more powerful than Tobirama?