Minato can't summon the toad sages!

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Minato has sage mode. He underwent training with the toads, his sage mode is just trash compared to Jiraya and Naruto. Also, Minato can summon toads. Reread the manga.

Smh Minato had perfect balance Sage Mode

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"Unlike Jiraiya, Naruto Uzumaki, Minato Namikaze, Kabuto Yakushi and Hashirama Senju were able to perfectly balance the natural energy with their own chakra. This allows them to use Sage Mode in perfect balance, "

 

[Zanithe]

Baka. Minato can summon. Minato can summon. Minato has SM. Baka.

 

[Narutimate Storm]

Ok so minato has "perfect" sage mode.

But his own doesn't last very long and takes long to build up chakra. I already know this, because that's how all seen in modo is. But where we see him summon lord Fukasaku and lady Shima?

Jiraya use special ritual to summon them. Where does it say minato summon them?

 

[demon sage]

Minato has perfect sage mode he said out of his own mouth it takes him longer to balance the natural energy with his own chakra. And also minato can summon any toad.

 

[Gold Lightning]

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CONTRACT WITH ALL TOADS OF MOINT MYOBOKU! are the keywords in this scan. Minato made a contract with the toads so yes he gets them all.

Inb4 anyone says "but it also says it depends on the summoners abilities" U_U. Well look at what it says about Gerotora. It says he's a rare species of toad EVEN ON MOUNT MYOBOKU. In other words, Gerotora is one of the most special, unique and rarest of toads compared to all the other toads who live there. Yet minato can summon him, I guess that shows how skillfull minato is at summoning.

Whether it's a scroll toad, gourd toad, small toad, giant toad or sage toad... Minato can summon them all.

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"CONTRACT WITH GAMABUNTA IS A CONTRACT WITH ALL TOADS" - Kishi's own words. Who was the first toad minato ever summoned...BUNTA!

Thread solod.

 

[Narutimate Storm]

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CONTRACT WITH ALL TOADS OF MOINT MYOBOKU! are the keywords in this scan. Minato made a contract with the toads so yes he gets them all.

Inb4 anyone says "but it also says it depends on the summoners abilities" U_U. Well look at what it says about Gerotora. It says he's a rare species of toad EVEN ON MOUNT MYOBOKU. In other words, Gerotora is one of the most special, unique and rarest of toads compared to all the other toads who live there. Yet minato can summon him, I guess that shows how skillfull minato is at summoning.

Whether it's a scroll toad, gourd toad, small toad, giant toad or sage toad... Minato can summon them all.

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"CONTRACT WITH GAMABUNTA IS A CONTRACT WITH ALL TOADS" - Kishi's own words. Who was the first toad minato ever summoned...BUNTA!

Thread solod.

so he can summon sage toads to help with his sennin modo?

 

[Frikid]

so he can summon sage toads to help with his sennin modo?

He is not good at using sage mode and he can't keep his chakra stable for long after he enters sage mode.
He have to master sage mode first before he can accomplish that.

Also, ignore all the idiots above, feel free to ask any question you want to.
We have a lot of trouble makers in NB but there are good people in NB too!

 

[Gold Lightning]

He is not good at using sage mode and he can't keep his chakra stable for long after he enters sage mode.
He have to master sage mode first before he can accomplish that.

Also, ignore all the idiots above, feel free to ask any question you want to.
We have a lot of trouble makers in NB but there are good people in NB too!

What are you talking about. Jiraya hasn't mastered sage mode either, yet he can fuse just fine.

 

[Frikid]

What are you talking about. Jiraya hasn't mastered sage mode either, yet he can fuse just fine.

jiraiya can at least stay in his sage mode and maintain its power.
Minato said he can't do that.

Minato cannot maintain his sage mode for long hence even if the toads fuse with him and gather sage chakra for him he won't be able to manage it. It might throw his chakra off balance resulting in him being turned into stone.

AS much as i would love to see minato using sage mode properly, he himself said he can't use it very well.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

Dude you missed the first episode?

 

[AGoodBoy]

Are you dumb? He has a contract with all of the toads.

^^^^^OP read that carefully.

but I don't believe minato has even trained at the toad paradise or trained with lord Fukasaku.

Where do you think minato learned SM from? Especially at such a high degree that he could enter it without needing ma and pa (Jiraiya was so low leveled he needed them to gather the nature energy for him and that's why he always had to summon them first)

Oh and Base minato >>>> Tobirama. SM minato isn't needed to shit on him.

 

[Xāvî1]

According to manga fact only jiraiya can!!

 

[Gold Lightning]

jiraiya can at least stay in his sage mode and maintain its power.
Minato said he can't do that.

Minato cannot maintain his sage mode for long hence even if the toads fuse with him and gather sage chakra for him he won't be able to manage it. It might throw his chakra off balance resulting in him being turned into stone.

AS much as i would love to see minato using sage mode properly, he himself said he can't use it very well.

Jiraya cannot enter sage mode at all without the toads. Not sure what manga you're reading:

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Unlike Jiraya, Minato can enter the mode on his own and balance the nature energy perfectly, hence why he had the marks of a perfect sage around his eyes.

Your crap about minato not being able to maintain it even withe the toads is bogus. The toad sages gather nature chakra for him and help maintain his sage mode longer, that's the purpose of the amphibian technique.

 

[Frikid]

Jiraya cannot enter sage mode at all without the toads. Not sure what manga you're reading:

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lol...I never said jiraiya can enter it on his own. How did you come to such a conclusion -_-

Unlike Jiraya, Minato can enter the mode on his own and balance the nature energy perfectly, hence why he had the marks of a perfect sage around his eyes.

Your crap about minato not being able to maintain it even withe the toads is bogus. The toad sages gather nature chakra for him and help maintain his sage mode longer, that's the purpose of the amphibian technique.

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@bold,
manga clearly states otherwise.

 

[AGoodBoy]

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@bold,
manga clearly states otherwise.

The manga also clearly showed it takes like 10 minutes for someone in base to summon ma and pa :| Why on earth would minato ever ever ever use or need to use sage mode when his fights end in under a minute? In every fight we've seen him in, his opponent is either dead within a minute or he's disappeared. Why would he stand around for 10 minutes with his hands together...?

 

[Frikid]

The manga also clearly showed it takes like 10 minutes for someone in base to summon ma and pa :| Why on earth would minato ever ever ever use or need to use sage mode when his fights end in under a minute? In every fight we've seen him in, his opponent is either dead within a minute or he's disappeared. Why would he stand around for 10 minutes with his hands together...?

Sorry i don't get your point?

You are saying minato does not need to wait for summoning ma and pa because it takes 10 minutes when he can easily solo his opponent within few seconds?
this is true but ...
Well.. i think it depends on situation.

Anyways, He himself admitted that he is not really good in senjutsu and he have never used it in a battle in past.
I don't see any point of discussing it any further.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Minato has sage mode. He underwent training with the toads, his sage mode is just trash compared to Jiraya and Naruto. Also, Minato can summon toads. Reread the manga.

False, Minato have PSM (Perfect Sage Mode) which puts it over Jiraiya's SM. Minato's SM is exactly like how Naruto's SM was during Pein arc.

I know he summons toads, my English is not great so maybe you guys misinterpret.

Jiraya could be the one who trained minato in senjutsu. Doesn't mean minato can summon sage toads.

Jiraiya can not teach Minato SM, the first step is using toad oil which can only be found in the Toad mountain since it evaporates when it leaves the mountain. Pa toad also showed he knows Minato since he seen both Jiraiya and Minato in Naruto and said Naruto surpassed them both and he won't know that if he didn't know Minato SM capabilities.

Ok so minato has "perfect" sage mode.

But his own doesn't last very long and takes long to build up chakra. I already know this, because that's how all seen in modo is. But where we see him summon lord Fukasaku and lady Shima?

Jiraya use special ritual to summon them. Where does it say minato summon them?

Minato's SM is exactly like Naruto's in Pein arc. Naruto's SM only lasted 5 minutes and it took him a while to be completely still to gather natural energy. In fact Naruto called SM useless since he would need his comrades to buy him time for him to go SM. Minato said he didn't really use SM in real combat because Minato's fighting style is going in fast and hard to defeat his opponents so being still to gather natural energy wouldn't fit his style when he's the one who is saving his comrades in the first place. Minato could kill his enemies long before he goes into SM.

Oh and in the war, Gamagichi said the other toads were all busy when Naruto tried to summon Gamabuta plus the fact that Minato is a dead zombie so fusing with the Toads might not be possible.

He is not good at using sage mode and he can't keep his chakra stable for long after he enters sage mode.
He have to master sage mode first before he can accomplish that.

Also, ignore all the idiots above, feel free to ask any question you want to.
We have a lot of trouble makers in NB but there are good people in NB too!

Minato did master SM, that's why he has perfect Sage Mode. Like Naruto, Minato mastered SM

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. Only thing is Minato is exactly where Naruto's SM was in Pein arc where he need to be completely still to gather natural energy and then it only last 5 mins. Being able to go SM means his chakra is stable since he balanced his chakra with natural energy to create Senjutsu. Only thing that put Naruto's SM over Minato's is that Naruto used clones to extend his time in SM by himself without fusing with the toads (during Pein arc)

jiraiya can at least stay in his sage mode and maintain its power.
Minato said he can't do that.

Minato cannot maintain his sage mode for long hence even if the toads fuse with him and gather sage chakra for him he won't be able to manage it. It might throw his chakra off balance resulting in him being turned into stone.

AS much as i would love to see minato using sage mode properly, he himself said he can't use it very well.

You seem to not understand SM that well. Minato said he can't stay in SM for long, Pa toad stated that it last for 5 mins which isn't long in a fight of top tier ninjas. Fusing with the toad will allow the toads to gather natural energy and make more senjutsu for Minato as he fights which is what they did for Jiraiya for his imperfect SM. Minato can't throw off his chakra balance unless he gathers mover natural energy; he gathers what he needs then combines it with his chakra which creates a new chakra which is senjutsu so he would be using Senjutsu and the toads would be keeping the senjutsu replenished for Minato as they did for Jiraiya.

In Pein arc Naruto was exactly in Minato's position where his SM only lasted 5 mins and it would take him time to enter SM. Pa toad said Naruto would need his comrades to but him time while Naruto be completely still to gather the natural energy to go SM and Naruto called SM useless then Pa toad told him a way around that is to fuse with him so he can gather the NE and make the Senjutsu for him

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Jiraya cannot enter sage mode at all without the toads. Not sure what manga you're reading:

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Unlike Jiraya, Minato can enter the mode on his own and balance the nature energy perfectly, hence why he had the marks of a perfect sage around his eyes.

Your crap about minato not being able to maintain it even withe the toads is bogus. The toad sages gather nature chakra for him and help maintain his sage mode longer, that's the purpose of the amphibian technique.

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[Frikid]

False, Minato have PSM (Perfect Sage Mode) which puts it over Jiraiya's SM. Minato's SM is exactly like how Naruto's SM was during Pein arc.



Jiraiya can not teach Minato SM, the first step is using toad oil which can only be found in the Toad mountain since it evaporates when it leaves the mountain. Pa toad also showed he knows Minato since he seen both Jiraiya and Minato in Naruto and said Naruto surpassed them both and he won't know that if he didn't know Minato SM capabilities.



Minato's SM is exactly like Naruto's in Pein arc. Naruto's SM only lasted 5 minutes and it took him a while to be completely still to gather natural energy. In fact Naruto called SM useless since he would need his comrades to buy him time for him to go SM. Minato said he didn't really use SM in real combat because Minato's fighting style is going in fast and hard to defeat his opponents so being still to gather natural energy wouldn't fit his style when he's the one who is saving his comrades in the first place. Minato could kill his enemies long before he goes into SM.

Oh and in the war, Gamagichi said the other toads were all busy when Naruto tried to summon Gamabuta plus the fact that Minato is a dead zombie so fusing with the Toads might not be possible.

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Minato did master SM, that's why he has perfect Sage Mode. Like Naruto, Minato mastered SM

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. Only thing is Minato is exactly where Naruto's SM was in Pein arc where he need to be completely still to gather natural energy and then it only last 5 mins. Being able to go SM means his chakra is stable since he balanced his chakra with natural energy to create Senjutsu. Only thing that put Naruto's SM over Minato's is that Naruto used clones to extend his time in SM by himself without fusing with the toads (during Pein arc)

If you remember, Pa also stated how naruto surpassed his predecessors.
Naruto's SM was definitely better than others. And no he was not referring to him making clones to use it for longer period.

You seem to not understand SM that well. Minato said he can't stay in SM for long, Pa toad stated that it last for 5 mins which isn't long in a fight of top tier ninjas. Fusing with the toad will allow the toads to gather natural energy and make more senjutsu for Minato as he fights which is what they did for Jiraiya for his imperfect SM. Minato can't throw off his chakra balance unless he gathers mover natural energy; he gathers what he needs then combines it with his chakra which creates a new chakra which is senjutsu so he would be using Senjutsu and the toads would be keeping the senjutsu replenished for Minato as they did for Jiraiya.

In Pein arc Naruto was exactly in Minato's position where his SM only lasted 5 mins and it would take him time to enter SM. Pa toad said Naruto would need his comrades to but him time while Naruto be completely still to gather the natural energy to go SM and Naruto called SM useless then Pa toad told him a way around that is to fuse with him so he can gather the NE and make the Senjutsu for him

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hmm
i get your point but i doubt minato was referring to the 5 minutes time limit SM has when he said he can't maintain it for long.
For a person who can end fights within seconds, 5 minutes is a long time.

Also, it did not take much long for naruto to get into SM as seen here :

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i think we can agree to disagree at this point

What you are saying does not match with what minato is saying in the manga.
minato's lack of confidence over his SM skills is more than enough proof that SM is not his forte.

Whether he can fuse with ma and pa or not is debatable.
minato did say he never used it in a battle.

Minato lacks SM feats and him saying, he sucks at SM does not help his case either.

I would still stick to my point that he can't fuse with ma and pa.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Minato has sage mode. He underwent training with the toads, his sage mode is just trash compared to Jiraya and Naruto. Also, Minato can summon toads. Reread the manga.

Actually Jiraiya's is worse, remember when the Toad Sages said that the orange markings around the eyes are a sign of a True Sage.

1. Jiraiya doesnt have the orange markings around his eyes, Minato does
2. Jiraiya has more toad like features when he enters Sage Mode, Minato does not
3. Jiraiya has to use the Toad Sage to balance out the sage chakra in his body, Minato does not

Manga facts are there, Minato is just a little worse than Naruto when fought Pein. (Sage Mode wise) But he is better than Jiraiya.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

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If you remember, Pa also stated how naruto surpassed his predecessors.
Naruto's SM was definitely better than others. And no he was not referring to him making clones to use it for longer period.


hmm
i get your point but i doubt minato was referring to the 5 minutes time limit SM has when he said he can't maintain it for long.
For a person who can end fights within seconds, 5 minutes is a long time.

Also, it did not take much long for naruto to get into SM as seen here :

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i think we can agree to disagree at this point

What you are saying does not match with what minato is saying in the manga.
minato's lack of confidence over his SM skills is more than enough proof that SM is not his forte.

Whether he can fuse with ma and pa or not is debatable.
minato did say he never used it in a battle.

Minato lacks SM feats and him saying, he sucks at SM does not help his case either.

I would still stick to my point that he can't fuse with ma and pa.

Ma and Pa also said the eye markings are a sign of a True Sage, does Jiraya have those same Eye markings as Minato and Naruto? No... He does not...
Therefore Minato is better than Jiraiya in senjutsu, but not better than Naruto. The fact that Jiraiya has to fuse with Ma and Pa further prove my point because he cannot do it on his own, meanwhile Minato has done it just like that.