Minato can't break Susanoo

[ThatGuyOvaThere]

So what you're saying is that minato could teleport Susanno it self?
Nice theory but i doubt it.

 

[closecombat22]

Genjutsu, gg Minato.

dude u dont even know how genjutus work

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Hiraishin is instant. For someone so fast that he outspeed even the strongest characters like Hashirama or other shunshin users like Tobirama, having time to set up kunais around a large entity like the Juubi, go on a rock far away to place another, come back to redirect Juubi's Bijuudama there with people starring at the Bijuudama all the time, not even noticing a thing, all that before he actually appeared infront of Naruto and Sakura on another, had a chat with them and the Hokages finally came, i think this feat already talks about Minato's enormous and unrivalled speed in this manga. So for someone this fast, it should be easy for him to warp Susanoo or his user wherever he wants either by closing the distance with FTG or using Space time barrier which seems to have a much greater range

I wasn't doubting his speed. I'm trying to ask what would happen if a Susanoo user actually resisted the S/T Barrier. Minato has shown his S/T feats in his flashback. The barrier can definitely warp large objects, but the disadvantage is that unlike Hiraishin, the barrier is not instant. In fact, the barrier did take some time to warp the Kyuubi's bijuudama completely as seen in the anime. It's hard to tell what would happen if a Susanoo user fights back. For example, Sword of Totsuka is like Haki as is S/T Barrier is to Devil Fruit. Totsuka can cut the barriers. As I've said, Minato's edo tensei body gives him a huge advantage. He doesn't need to worry about chakra levels and that his barriers are much faster now that he can imbue infinite chakra into his ninjutsu. His S/T ninjutsu is now on a much higher level than it was when he was alive. Overall, my main point is that you should differentiate his prime feats from his edo tensei feats because they are totally different.

 

[blazekev90]

Good thread Bogard, but I'm doubting this whole "warping of different entities in different locations at the same time."

In this scan we obviously see all the Hokages performing hand seals, why? Because they too are/were most likely using the technique themselves. As all are familiar with this ability (thus asking the whereabouts of markings) it seems they have the ability to perform this jutsu with the right preparations. As opposed to Mei who did no such thing, except stand there.

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So i don't think Minato himself cannot wrap two things simultaneously, as he would have just done so once all the 2nd and 3rd appeared before him as done with Mei.

The Kunia placed+their knowledge of ftg, allowed them each to wrap themselves individually IMO.


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[Bogard]

I wasn't doubting his speed. I'm trying to ask what would happen if a Susanoo user actually resisted the S/T Barrier. Minato has shown his S/T feats in his flashback. The barrier can definitely warp large objects, but the disadvantage is that unlike Hiraishin, the barrier is not instant. In fact, the barrier did take some time to warp the Kyuubi's bijuudama completely as seen in the anime. It's hard to tell what would happen if a Susanoo user fights back. For example, Sword of Totsuka is like Haki as is S/T Barrier is to Devil Fruit. Totsuka can cut the barriers. As I've said, Minato's edo tensei body gives him a huge advantage. He doesn't need to worry about chakra levels and that his barriers are much faster now that he can imbue infinite chakra into his ninjutsu. His S/T ninjutsu is now on a much higher level than it was when he was alive. Overall, my main point is that you should differentiate his prime feats from his edo tensei feats because they are totally different.

Well it seems that the warping feat of the S/T barrier depends on Minato's will since in latest chapter, it warped Juubi's Bijuudama near instantly(the fodders noticed even nothing at all). The barrier is huge and beside Perfect Susanoo, other Susanoo are too small, so normally, it shouldn't even struggle a bit to warp it in another location. Also don't use anime as a valuable proof. They always like to add useless things to complete the show

Good thread Bogard, but I'm doubting this whole "warping of different entities in different locations at the same time."

In this scan we obviously see all the Hokages performing hand seals, why? Because they too are/were most likely using the technique themselves. As all are familiar with this ability (thus asking the whereabouts of markings) it seems they have the ability to perform this jutsu with the right preparations. As opposed to Mei who did no such thing, except stand there.

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So i don't think Minato himself cannot wrap two things simultaneously, as he would have just done so once all the 2nd and 3rd appeared before him as done with Mei.

The Kunia placed+their knowledge of ftg, allowed them each to wrap themselves individually IMO.


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No they used Hanseals to prepare the barrier, not FTG

Minato even tell them to come before him. Why coming before him if they are capable to teleport themselves? So no, it's Minato the one who teleported them there, but as planned, they were prepared for it, reason why they directly used handseals for the barrier after teleportation

Thanks anyway

 

[ninthgate]

Minato could make a space suit out of some really durable ninja armor (I'm sure some material exists in the naruto world that could work), and chain FTG throw directly up and chain FTG throw to get the kunai to orbit speed, then leave a few up there so he could teleport enemies into space

 

[blazekev90]

Well it seems that the warping feat of the S/T barrier depends on Minato's will since in latest chapter, it warped Juubi's Bijuudama near instantly(the fodders noticed even nothing at all). The barrier is huge and beside Perfect Susanoo, other Susanoo are too small, so normally, it shouldn't even struggle a bit to warp it in another location. Also don't use anime as a valuable proof. They always like to add useless things to complete the show

No they used Hanseals to prepare the barrier, not FTG

Minato even tell them to come before him. Why coming before him if they are capable to teleport themselves? So no, it's Minato the one who teleported them there, but as planned, they were prepared for it, reason why they directly used handseals for the barrier after teleportation

Thanks anyway

So, Minato can perform ftg and help setup a barrier at the same time?!?! That seems TOO OP, they all were performing same hand seal before disappearing.

I don't think they can simply teleport themselves, but this doesn't mean they can't perform the jutsu. Just as his guards needed all three of them to present in order to use ftg, the Hokages needed the right preparation to perform the jutsu along with Minato, the reason why they questioned whether the markings were prepared. Its not like they are unfamiliar with the jutsu, The 2nd hokage already uses some form of ftg and the 3rd is known for mimicking everyone jutsu (lol).

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Well it seems that the warping feat of the S/T barrier depends on Minato's will since in latest chapter, it warped Juubi's Bijuudama near instantly(the fodders noticed even nothing at all). The barrier is huge and beside Perfect Susanoo, other Susanoo are too small, so normally, it shouldn't even struggle a bit to warp it in another location. Also don't use anime as a valuable proof. They always like to add useless things to complete the show.

If we take size scalings, the Juubi's bijuudama isn't as large as it looks. It isn't much bigger than Killer Bee's octopus form. Back in Minato's flashback, Kurama was at least 4 times bigger before he was sealed. Which took Minato extensive prep time to gather up a large amount of chakra and warp Kurama. If Minato did not have an edo tensei body, warping the Juubi's Bijuudama would be be more difficult. Now that his limits are taken off, Minato is admittedly beastly.

Also, anime is just something to get the general speed of something. I don't really want to take in trigonometry into the manga panels just to calculate Minato's barrier speed.

 

[Bogard]

So, Minato can perform ftg and help setup a barrier at the same time?!?! That seems TOO OP, they all were performing same hand seal before disappearing.

I don't think they can simply teleport themselves, but this doesn't mean they can't perform the jutsu. Just as his guards needed all three of them to present in order to use ftg, the Hokages needed the right preparation to perform the jutsu along with Minato, the reason why they questioned whether the markings were prepared. Its not like they are unfamiliar with the jutsu, The 2nd hokage already uses some form of ftg and the 3rd is known for mimicking everyone jutsu (lol).

No they weren't performing handseals before appearing. They were performing handseals at the moment they were appearing and it's nothing new. We've actually seen Minato combining FTG with jutsus plenty of times in this manga(like he combined rasengan with FTG against Obito), so it's really nothing new or nothing to be surprised with. He simply teleported them and directly at the moment they appeared, they used handseals

If we take size scalings, the Juubi's bijuudama isn't as large as it looks. It isn't much bigger than Killer Bee's octopus form. Back in Minato's flashback, Kurama was at least 4 times bigger before he was sealed. Which took Minato extensive prep time to gather up a large amount of chakra and warp Kurama. If Minato did not have an edo tensei body, warping the Juubi's Bijuudama would be be more difficult. Now that his limits are taken off, Minato is admittedly beastly.

Also, anime is just something to get the general speed of something. I don't really want to take in trigonometry into the manga panels just to calculate Minato's barrier speed.

Fortunately, i created a thread already concerning Juubi's Bijuudama. It was actually far bigger than you think:

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[blazekev90]

No they weren't performing handseals before appearing. They were performing handseals at the moment they were appearing and it's nothing new. We've actually seen Minato combining FTG with jutsus plenty of times in this manga(like he combined rasengan with FTG against Obito), so it's really nothing new or nothing to be surprised with. He simply teleported them and directly at the moment they appeared, they used handseals

Fortunately, i created a thread already concerning Juubi's Bijuudama. It was actually far bigger than you think:

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gotcha, I see now! Thanks for clearing the up! =D

 

[ajpn920]

Note: In this thread i won't talk about featless KCM Minato

I've seen this argument plenty of times, but the question i always ask myself when i see this is "does he needs to?". "Is breaking Susanoo the only way to defeat a Susanoo user?" I don't think it is. For this reason i decided to create this thread to explain why i believe Minato can defeat a Susanoo user without really needing to destroy the Susanoo in question. How? With FTG/Space time barrier

1- FTG advantage

In latest chapters, we have seen Minato capable to redirect the most powerful attack we've seen in the manga so far in the sea by leaving one of his markings near a rock placed on the middle of ocean without even touching it thanks to his S/T barrier and near instantly

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So what if Minato has placed/places one of his kunais near a volcano and warps the Susanoo user(with or without his Susanoo) inside the volcano? It's GG. The Susanoo user would be desintagrated in an instant, and even if by some miracle smh he survives(jk), in the middle of a volcano, he couldn't surely live.

I've already made this argument in one of my threads, but since we've never seen Minato actually do something like this in the manga, the argument was not brought back in debates very often(even by myself):

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Keep also in mind that at that time, i didn't even know some new advantages that FTG can bring that we've seen in latest chapter. You may ask which advantage? I'll talk about it later. But anyway with the latest chapter, it makes it even more likely for Minato to proceed this way since we've actually seen Minato capable to do so in the manga

This is part of the reason why i believe that FTG(and its variations) could be one of the most anti-Susanoo technique in this manga. Other reason?

2- FTG radius

We've seen in this chapter that Minato is even capable to warp different entities(including himself) at different locations without touching them, if they stay on the range of his jutsu(even if you believe he needs to touch them it's irrelevant for my arguments anyway):

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We also know thanks to Gaara that Susanoo is a different entity than the user since the user can be seperated from it

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That's why i think that Minato with his FTG can seperate the Susanoo user from his Susanoo since he has shown the capacity to warp different entities in different locations at the same time.

This is also an argument that i already made before, but there are some people who never wanted to acknowledge the radius behind the technique. You can read this basic thread(not deeply detailed) to understand it:

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In this chapter anyway, once again, Minato talked about

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. So all Minato wanted was for them to be before him. For what reason? To be in range of the jutsu obviously, and curiously it's in a similar way like Genma's squad did with Mei

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So it's more than obvious that FTG has a range, and needs no contact whatsover within that certain range

Reason why i believe that with this FTG ability, he should be capable to warp Susanoo and his user to different locations(or just one of them depending on his intentions)

Before saying that Susanoo could instantly be created once again(for those who believe so), i'll like to point out something. It's been shown in this manga that for the creation of Susanoo, there is a chakra manifestation before

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And when Susanoo is created, it has been shown that the Susanoo user can't create another one. It's for that reason that Madara had no other choice than using Rinnengan's Gakidou ability to warp the attack

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To recreate Susanoo, he needs

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Something that was again proven when Hashirama

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. He couldn't activate it once more at that time

It's because of this that warping the Susanoo user out of his Susanoo will leave him open since at that moment(the time to deactivate the jutsu and reactivate it), he couldn't use Susanoo

What happens after? I'll let you imagine that U_U

Nice thread bro. All of the example that Minato can teleport within his FTG are already given before. It was shown when he teleported Kurama standing at the top of Bunta's head. If you consider Bunta's height then obviously that is within the FTG's radius.

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The scan above shows how tall Bunta is. Considering the height, it's most likely 50-100 meters. The next page of the scan above shows that he was able to teleport Kurama without the need to touch.

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[AlphaScythian]

Nice thread bro. All of the example that Minato can teleport within his FTG are already given before. It was shown when he teleported Kurama standing at the top of Bunta's head. If you consider Bunta's height then obviously that is within the FTG's radius.

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The scan above shows how tall Bunta is. Considering the height, it's most likely 50-100 meters. The next page of the scan above shows that he was able to teleport Kurama without the need to touch.

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It also says "hey bunta hold it down for A MINUTE" moron, he could give handjob to kurama and it wouldnt display it

 

[ajpn920]

It also says "hey bunta hold it down for A MINUTE" moron, he could give handjob to kurama and it wouldnt display it

We are talking about Minato teleporting Kurama. Bunta holding kurama is to let Minato gather enough chakra to teleport bunta and the blast. Minato did not touch kurama but he was able to teleport kurama.

Hey dumbass kid..GTFO. Calling me a moron when you don't even understand what we are talking about. Mongo brain a**hole!!

 

[alok5yadav]

we don't know what is full capacity of Minto...

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

can minato's kage bushin use FTG. if that is possible then his kage bushin can scare the hell outta any uchihaa by continusous FTG spam while real minato can be watching movies and chilling out with his friends . if there is emergency then only he will appear to fight.

 

[SeriousDogg]

He can't thats right, but Edo Minato probably can (not PS)

 

[Minator93]

Nice thread as always. I was going to make a similar thread but you beat me to it

This is what I was gonna say...I'll make it brief here

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Kishimoto made Minato's FTG more haxxed in the last chapter

Here we can see Minato teleported 2nd and the 3rd at different Locations [

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] in an instant.

We alredy know that Minato packs a large amount of chakra that he was able to teleport the biggest attack ever without showing signs of Fatigue. [Edo's have infinite chakra but they show signs of Fatigue and can't use tech that require more than their total chakra pool]



All Minato has to do is put a kunai here and teleport his opponents in this fountain

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Some of the inhabitants of Mount Myoboku can use senjutsu, to gather natural energy. There is a sacred fountain on Mount Myoboku which produces a special oil which allows people to more easily feel the natural energy around them, but if the person is not perfectly still, becoming one with nature, he or she starts becoming a toad and eventually turns into stone. This oil can only exist in the atmosphere of the mountain, and will evaporate if taken outside. There are many statues of the frog ancestors and of people who tried to learn senjutsu, but failed and became toad statues.

Its pretty much instant KO for everyone U_U Also if anyone or anything that has velocity comes charging towards Minato's Kunais it gets s/t barrier'd to the oil.

 

[enditallsin]

Nice thread bro..So basically what you're saying is minato can transport other object's through other object's that he's in contact with?

 

[FleeOnSight]

Probably one if your best threads yet Bogard. What people actually don't seem to realize is that most of the times you are right on point with unseen combos that ftg can do. I like reading your threads. But I also thought this was pretty obvious the last time you mentioned it. xd


So I can't rep you. The base won't allow it ha

 

[takiyacrowz]

you always do a great job bro