Minato and Tobirama cannot defeat Uchiha Sasuke.

[Optimistic]

Sasuke is slower than Tobirama and he still managed to outrun Amateratsu.

Itachi's usage of amaterasu is completely different to Sasuke with EMS who can execute it faster and without strain plus this was itachi's sight before using MS moves.

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He had no intent to kill Sasuke and his eye was was bad.Don't use Itachi to cover up how easily Tobirama loses.

Amateratsu it's not Instan like FTG is,and Tobirama can mark a tree,a rock anything and FTG to it,Sasuke remaining clueless about what happened.

When the fight starts there's no prep no tags before hand nothing.Sasuke hits him with amaterasu before he can move.
The sharingan can see where his tags are anyway but that doesn't mater since Tobirama can't dodge it or tag any object before he dies.

 

[shelke]

@ReZ That puts him at Nagato and Karin's level I am sure. You are kidding me, right? Karin can do so without any such gestures. The delivery speed of Enton and Amaterasu is the same? Dude, you are so wrong that it isn't even funny.

@Penguin2640 Do you have a scan for that, or a reference?

 

[ReZ]

Itachi's usage of amaterasu is completely different to Sasuke with EMS who can execute it faster and without strain plus this was itachi's sight before using MS moves.

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He had no intent to kill Sasuke and his eye was was bad.Don't use Itachi to cover up how easily Tobirama loses.

When the fight starts there's no prep no tags before hand nothing.Sasuke hits him with amaterasu before he can move.
The sharingan can see where his tags are anyway but that doesn't mater since Tobirama can't dodge it or tag any object before he dies.

See that's why I don't like this kind of debating,because you underestimate one character and hype yours.How do you know Sasuke would use Enton right from the start,how do you know Tobirama doesn't use suiton to block enton,see that's what I meant by battle expierence.Tobirama has plenty,maybe he would use a simple technique like Kawarimi you can't know that.

@ReZ That puts him at Nagato and Karin's level I am sure. You are kidding me, right? Karin can do so without any such gestures. The delivery speed of Enton and Amaterasu is the same? Dude, you are so wrong that it isn't even funny.

@Penguin2640 Do you have a scan for that, or a reference?

I'm not saying it's not fast but it's not Instant either.If Tobirama sences the build up I'm pretty sure he would use something to counter enton.People tend to believe that Tobirama would just sit there,masturbating while Sasuke uses Enton.

 

[Brooks]

See that's why I don't like this kind of debating,because you underestimate one character and hype yours.How do you know Sasuke would use Enton right from the start,how do you know Tobirama doesn't use suiton to block enton,see that's what I meant by battle expierence.Tobirama has plenty,maybe he would use a simple technique like Kawarimi you can't know that.

Well, Sasuke most times start with Enton in his fight....and how on earth is Suiton blocking Enton?....Enton(which is made of Amaterasu) burns Water itself....so, good luck to Tobirama in trying to blocking Enton...​

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I'm not saying it's not fast but it's not Instant either.If Tobirama sences the build up I'm pretty sure he would use something to counter enton.People tend to believe that Tobirama would just sit there,masturbating while Sasuke uses Enton.

1.Don't compare Obito's Sensing ability(who has the Juubi in him and is a Mock Sage) to Tobirama's Sensing ability......​

2.Tobirama doesn't have to sit there and wait for Sasuke attacks....but come up with something legit that could counter with Sasuke's attacks...​

 

[shelke]

@ReZ You have no proof Tobirama even has sensing ability at Nagato or Karin's level when he is using fingers to detect opponents. Even if he does, then that doesn't change anything, unless you mean he has A's V2 level speed to dodge the attack. Ae also reacted to the tear but how? We all are fully aware of this. He lacks the speed to dodge it.

Enton and Amaterasu are vastly different as one is thrown or used as defense from an existing flame, and the other spawns on the target. One would need one hell of a speed to dodge it.

 

[ReZ]

Well, Sasuke most times start with Enton in his fight....and how on earth is Suiton blocking Enton?....Enton(which is made of Amaterasu) burns Water itself....so, good luck to Tobirama in trying to blocking Enton...​

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1.Don't compare Obito's Sensing ability(who has the Juubi in him and is a Mock Sage) to Tobirama's Sensing ability......​

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2.Tobirama doesn't have to sit there and wait for Sasuke attacks....but come up with something legit that could counter with Sasuke's attacks...​

Raikage vs Sasuke,the guy with the Raikage felt the pressure from Sasuke's eye.And when I said he would use suiton I meant blocking it,as in not reaching him.
Well screw Sasuke then,If Tobirama's an Edo he would just use this right from the bat and it's goodbye Sasuke

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@ReZ You have no proof Tobirama even has sensing ability at Nagato or Karin's level when he is using fingers to detect opponents. Even if he does, then that doesn't change anything, unless you mean he has A's V2 level speed to dodge the attack. Ae also reacted to the tear but how? We all are fully aware of this. He lacks the speed to dodge it.

Enton and Amaterasu are vastly different as one is thrown or used as defense from an existing flame, and the other spawns on the target. One would need one hell of a speed to dodge it.

And you have no proof to state that he doesn't have the same sensing abilities,when it's a fact that he's quite skilled in the sensing domain.But if Sasuke uses Enton from the start I don't see why Tobirama can't use his Edo body to use his Paper technique.

 

[shelke]

@ReZ Nice logic. Konohamaru has learned Rasanshuriken. Since there isn't any evidence against it, I am right. What would the paper technique do? Break through Susano'o?

 

[Bogard]

Susanoo was active on the first page

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Yet it disappeard the second Sasuke reappeard somewhere else

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And he had no idea of what was going on and since he was in a dangerous situation, he had no reason to turn Susanoo off

That means Minato did teleport Sasuke without his Susanoo

It's just probable that without the chakra source(Sasuke), it simply vanished

It is again proven in latest chapter with this pic:

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Obito as a Juubi Jinchuriki always has these chakra based attacks around him and even

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anytime soon as a defensive as offensive attack. Yet when Tobirama made the contact with him alone, he teleported both of them without the chakra based around him actually touching him

Susanoo has a similar working, a chakra shroud created by the user

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(but not as versatile as Obito's chakra orbs though)

So no, the manga on the contrary proved FTG or variations can warp chakra based attacks or their user independantly

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

How about is minato droped a kunai, teleporrted the susanoo and sasuke to that kunai, then teleported inside it and stabbed him?

 

[shelke]

@ T Bogard So now you have sufficient, irrefutable proof that Obito's orbs - which are floating independent of his body - and Susano'o work in the exact same manner. When Kurama's chakra charging in its mouth or Naruto's shroud in KCM were not teleported away separately despite Minato touching them in one form or another? The chakra was teleported WITH the user.

Oh Bogard. Lol

 

[ReZ]

@ReZ Nice logic. Konohamaru has learned Rasanshuriken. Since there isn't any evidence against it, I am right. What would the paper technique do? Break through Susano'o?

So you're saying a technique of that size would not break Susano'o to bits?Sasuke won't have time to put up a Full Susano;o up....Tobirama did show incredible sensing prowness,your argument comparing what I said with Konohamaru mastering Rasenshuriken or whatever.

 

[Bogard]

@ T Bogard So now you have sufficient, irrefutable proof that Obito's orbs - which are floating independent of his body - and Susano'o work in the exact same manner. When Kurama's chakra charging in its mouth or Naruto's shroud in KCM were not teleported away separately despite Minato touching them in one form or another? The chakra was teleported WITH the user.

Oh Bogard. Lol

*Sigh* I don't know how you can see a comparison between Naruto in KCM and Susanoo but whatever, we both know the discussion will go nowhere, so i'd just askone question. Why don't we see Susanoo anymore then after the FTG teleportation?

 

[Brooks]

Raikage vs Sasuke,the guy with the Raikage felt the pressure from Sasuke's eye.And when I said he would use suiton I meant blocking it,as in not reaching him.
Well screw Sasuke then,If Tobirama's an Edo he would just use this right from the bat and it's goodbye Sasuke

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And when did C ever felt such a thing from Sasuke's eyes?...do care to prove it with a manga scan?....doesn't change the fact that Enton would simply burn throw his Suiton or Sasuke could use the Via Amaterasu(which would spawn at the location his eye focuses on)....Tobirama has no way to avoid this in other words.....lol, V2 Susanoo(Incomplete Susanoo) tanks those Explosive Tagsl like a boss...those Explosive Tags could barely destroy city block level and V2 Susanoo(Incomplete Susanoo) already tanked Kirin(small mountain buster)....forget about Tobirama ever having any destructive power.​

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And you have no proof to state that he doesn't have the same sensing abilities,when it's a fact that he's quite skilled in the sensing domain.But if Sasuke uses Enton from the start I don't see why Tobirama can't use his Edo body to use his Paper technique.

Yes, i can say his sensing abilities aren't on the same league do Tobirama never shown it and never being on the same level as Karin or C(the Railkage's bodyguard) with it....​

 

[Solo]

*Sigh* I don't know how you can see a comparison between Naruto in KCM and Susanoo but whatever, we both know the discussion will go nowhere, so i'd just askone question. Why don't we see Susanoo anymore then after the FTG teleportation?

Look at your post, he deactivated his EMS.

Obito answer to everything - You can't use normal logic vs him. Hell, he even said it in the manga.

But to go in even further you see that the Orbs are not even touching Obito.

 

[Solo]

He call teleport Sasuke, but he's not teleporting Sasuke's Susano'o away.

 

[Bogard]

Look at your post, he deactivated his EMS.

Obito answer to everything - You can't use normal logic vs him. Hell, he even said it in the manga.

But to go in even further you see that the Orbs are not even touching Obito.

FTG is instant. The

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itself isn't. We'd have seen it been deactivated if it was the case. The second before his Susanoo was still activated, yet the instant later after FTG, it wasn't, and like i've said on my previous post we still even see Sasuke questioning himself, so had no idea of what happened and had no reason to turn off his Susanoo in that dangerous situation. By your logic i could also say Sasuke deactivated Susanoo before FTG teleportation if you really want to think this way, but it's simply impossible to imagine judging by the situation

 

[Brooks]

He call teleport Sasuke, but he's not teleporting Sasuke's Susano'o away.

Huh, obviously.....​

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^Here is a scan before Sasuke was teleported....you can see there is a flare coming from Sasuke Ribcage's Susanoo.

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^Here is a scan after Sasuke was teleported....you can clearly see the same flare(from the Ribcage) was still there after Sasuke was teleported...this clearly indicates the Susanoo never disappear and that Sasuke teleported with the Susanoo since the flare was still there.

2.Now, this second is also wrong....you have to understand Naruto's Chakra arms are a part of his body....so, using that as an example is completely invalid....the Susanoo isn't part of the user's body like Naruto's Chakra arms.

 

[Penguin]

@ReZ That puts him at Nagato and Karin's level I am sure. You are kidding me, right? Karin can do so without any such gestures. The delivery speed of Enton and Amaterasu is the same? Dude, you are so wrong that it isn't even funny.

@Penguin2640 Do you have a scan for that, or a reference?

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He saw Enton. Madara and Izuna were the first MS users of the Uchiha. Tobirama fought Izuna, and Izuna was going blind. Put two and two together.

 

[shelke]

*Sigh* I don't know how you can see a comparison between Naruto in KCM and Susanoo but whatever, we both know the discussion will go nowhere, so i'd just askone question. Why don't we see Susanoo anymore then after the FTG teleportation?

Sometimes I am adamant to believe that you have no common sense whatsoever. There has to be no connection between Susano'o, Kurama's TBB, or Naruto's KCM at all, nor did I ever suggest one other than Chakra connection. In all the above cases one was toughed whilst the other got teleported with it. Naruto's KCM has a clear shroud and the Chakra arms are just that; External, extended Chakra. Yet Minato managed to teleport Naruto as well, because KCM's chakra exudes out of Naruto. In all these instances the chakra has a direct link to the user based on the usage etc.

Could be a complete inconsistency on Kishimoto's part. If he did accomplish so, why isn't Susano'o left behind? When Madara was pulled out Susano'o was still there until it vanished after a while. I wonder why this didn't happen. He could have deactivated it as it was severely eaten away and broken through by Obito's attacks. That is the only logical explanation. But don't worry, it's not like Kishimoto himself is any consistent KCM, now he could be a host for Yin Kurama, when the death god houses all the souls. Why nitpick about that one little missed thing?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

FTG is instant. The

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itself isn't. We'd have seen it been deactivated if it was the case. The second before his Susanoo was still activated, yet the instant later after FTG, it wasn't, and like i've said on my previous post we still even see Sasuke questioning himself, so had no idea of what happened and had no reason to turn off his Susanoo in that dangerous situation. By your logic i could also say Sasuke deactivated Susanoo before FTG teleportation if you really want to think this way, but it's simply impossible to imagine judging by the situation

To add to your point, even if Susanoo can be deactivated instantly, he would have still reappeared with it. You can't react to something instant, so susanoo was somehow forced to be destroyed.