Minato and Naruto vs Hashirama/Madara

[Sennin of Logic]

There is no reason that Wood Dragon would be bigger if Madara used it. Hashirama having more chakra than Madara really doesn't matter since jutsu take a certain amount of chakra to use, its not like they are pouring all their chakra into it or a very large amount. Not to mention there is no proof its bigger.

Better use of Mokuton simply implies that he can use it better than Madara, doesn't mean that his Base Mokuton is equal to Hashirama's when its clear that Madara=Hashirama's Base Mokuton in power (Only the jutsus that Madara has access to) There's also

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My assumption isn't baseless.

50% Kurama is smaller than full Kurama and Naruto uses his power.

Wood Dragon wrapped around BM Naruto more times than it did to full Kurama indicating that full Kurama is bigger. There is no reason for Madara's Wood Dragon to be smaller than Hashirama's.

The only thing different about is that its made of chakra. Not that he can make it bigger. Kurama Avatar is a chakra manifestation of the Kurama inside Naruto. Why would it be bigger than the Kurama in Naruto?



Well you're wrong.



All bijuu bar Kurama are the same size as the manga shows, you saying it makes no sense doesn't change the fact that its true. Kurama clearly is bigger than the rest of the Bijuu.

This is full Kurama.

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He's about the same size as Gamabunta.

This is Shukaku

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Are you suggesting that all the other bijus are smaller than Shukaku? All of their size is the same. The difference between BM and 100% Kurama is physical strength and time required to make huge TBB most likely. There's little size difference between BM and full Kurama Kidgamer since both are around Gamabunta size. The difference just isn't significant.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

BSM Naruto and BM Minato beat Edo Madara and Edo Hashirama without any restrictions.

 

[Bronze]

100% kyuubi compared to trees:

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Hachabi compared to trees:

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KG65 STFU , all of the bijuu are the same size including 100% kyuubi

 

[Fodder#4]

100% kyuubi compared to trees:

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Hachabi compared to trees:

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KG65 STFU , all of the bijuu are the same size including 100% kyuubi

You can not be serious, right now.

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of Kurama's chakra is capable of rivaling the Hachabi. Now, shall we take a look at the

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between Kurama before and after Minato's involvement? Unless, you simply suggest Kurama's hands were just overly large.

 

[KidGamer65]

This is full Kurama.

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He's about the same size as Gamabunta.

This is Shukaku

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Are you suggesting that all the other bijus are smaller than Shukaku? All of their size is the same. The difference between BM and 100% Kurama is physical strength and time required to make huge TBB most likely. There's little size difference between BM and full Kurama Kidgamer since both are around Gamabunta size. The difference just isn't significant.

Don't even know where you got full Kurama and Gamabunta being close in size when that is just Bunta sitting on the Kyuubi's neck. The fact he could fit on his neck without covering his whole body is pretty much proof that Full Kurama>>Bunta in size.

Its pretty funny that you guys are telling me that a chakra manifestation of 50% Kurama is near the size of full Kurama.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Your argument is based on:

1. The assumption that Kishi specifically intended for the dragon to coil more times around BM Naruto than full Kurama ( which I think is looking way, way, way too deep into Kishi's drawing style, just the same as you did with Gai's Hirudora )

2. The assumption that BM Naruto has to be smaller than Kurama when that makes no sense. He would be smaller if he transformed into Kurama, but he simply has a chakra manifestation of it.

Whereas we:

- showed proof that all bijuus were initially the same

- showed proof that the 1-8 tail bijuus are roughly the same size

- makes no sense for Kurama to be bigger

- Kurama being close in size to a younger Bunta, whom is imo around Gamakichi size in that screen

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[KidGamer65]

1. The assumption that Kishi specifically intended for the dragon to coil more times around BM Naruto than full Kurama ( which I think is looking way, way, way too deep into Kishi's drawing style, just the same as you did with Gai's Hirudora )

Are you kidding me with this? He clearly did cause he knows 100% Kurama is bigger 50% Kurama/BM Naruto. This is just another assumption being used to try and refute my logical assumption.

2. The assumption that BM Naruto has to be smaller than Kurama when that makes no sense. He would be smaller if he transformed into Kurama, but he simply has a chakra manifestation of it.

lol? He is using 50% of his power so he is going to be as big as 50% Kurama. Saying that he would be bigger is completely baseless and is what makes no sense. You keep going on about how its a chakra manifestation even though that doesn't mean anything besides the fact that he uses a chakra shroud instead of the Bijuu itself. You have given me absolutely zero reason to believe that it is bigger just because its made of chakra.

Whereas we:

- showed proof that all bijuus were initially the same

The Bijuu being initially the same size clearly means nothing as we are talking about CURRENTLY.

- showed proof that the 1-8 tail bijuus are roughly the same size

Yeah, except we are talking about Kurama. Not Bijuu 1-8.

- makes no sense for Kurama to be bigger

It doesn't matter if you think it makes no sense. It won't change the facts.

- Kurama being close in size to a younger Bunta, whom is imo around Gamakichi size in that screen

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I don't know where you got Gamakichi size from, nor do I know why you think is size is any different that it is now, but as I said above. The sole fact he was able to sit on Kurama's neck means that he is not as big as he is.

A chakra manifestation of 50% Kurama is obviously going to be as big as thing its manifesting into. 50% Kurama. Saying its as big as 100% Kurama is completely illogical.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

He isn't sitting on Kurama's neck, he's sitting on his torso/abdomen.

Are you kidding me with this? He clearly did cause he knows 100% Kurama is bigger 50% Kurama/BM Naruto.

Jesus Christ, do you really think Kishi knows a bunch of young adults dessicate everything he writes in fictional versus scenarios? Do you read in stars nowadays?

Yeah, except we are talking about Kurama. Not Bijuu 1-8.

It was said Kurama believes that the number of tails suggests how strong a bijuu is. If Kurama was bigger he'd outright say '' I'm stronger because I'm bigger ''.

lol? He is using 50% of his power so he is going to be as big as 50% Kurama. Saying that he would be bigger is completely baseless and is what makes no sense.

Say this 50% is a quantity of water. Whereas if he manifested the whole Bijuu ( flesh and bones ) of Kurama he'd have to use all of the water to fill it, with a chakra shroud he's only putting a small amount of it inside. When Naruto lost control of Kurama this happened:

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Also if you really want to talk proportions, when Minato RDS'd the Kyuubi his claw got not half as big, not a third, not a quarter, not a fifth.

****, I'd say it's barely a tenth of what Kurama is.

Going by your logic- unless you'd dare argue only his hand shrank 10 times whereas the body shrank 2 times, which is retarded - that would mean that a 100% Kurama is 10 times bigger than 8 tails.

Which is laughable.

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So yeah, based on this I stick to my belief that BM Naruto is as big as the original Kurama, else by your logic he will be 10 times bigger when he gets the other half.