Minato and Naruto vs Hashirama/Madara

[Fecal Matter]

Do you think Shinsusenju can tank a double BM bijuudama + senjutsu added to it?

I am reluctant to believe that.

Hell no.Continuous destroyed almost all of its hands a full charged 100% Bijudama from both would destroy the upper half of the things body killing Hashirama in the process.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Pretty much.

I'd also argue a chakra roar from Minato and Naruto would destroy or at least deflect Shinsusenju's attack. Remember that thing knocked down bijuus and then you have 2 chakra roars combined.

S/T barrage is another option. Minato could trap Shinsusenju when Hashirama is charging towards them.

 

[Fecal Matter]

Also Naruto could aim a normal Bijudama at the Buddah's legs making it tumble over.Taking out the legs = useless statue.


Once Hashirama is grounded Naruto can rape him with Minato's assistance of course.I'm starting to think that BSM Naruto can beat Sm hashirama now.

 

[KidGamer65]

Do you think Shinsusenju can tank a double BM bijuudama + senjutsu added to it?

I am reluctant to believe that.

I never said it'd tank it. I clearly said it'll catch it.

Also Naruto could aim a normal Bijudama at the Buddah's legs making it tumble over.Taking out the legs = useless statue.


Once Hashirama is grounded Naruto can rape him with Minato's assistance of course.I'm starting to think that BSM Naruto can beat Sm hashirama now.

lol, no.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

No way Naruto is beating Hashirama by himself, but I can see them both beating Hashirama.

I never said it'd tank it. I clearly said it catch it.

How could it catch it?

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Look how HUGE that thing ( the bijuudama ) is. With barely a portion of it shown, it's already close in size to both BMs combined.

That bijuudama is easily bigger than Buddha's hands, so how will it catch it? Wood Golem caught the bijuudama because it was smaller than his hands but this one is massive.

 

[Fecal Matter]

lol, no.

Cut me some slack i just smoked a few joints today.

 

[KidGamer65]

Cut me some slack i just smoked a few joints today.

lmao this guy.

 

[KidGamer65]

How could it catch it?

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Look how HUGE that thing ( the bijuudama ) is. With barely a portion of it shown, it's already close in size to both BMs combined.

That bijuudama is easily bigger than Buddha's hands, so how will it catch it? Wood Golem caught the bijuudama because it was smaller than his hands but this one is massive.

Buddha made 100% Kurama look like a rat in comparison, it picked up 100% Kurama with only one hand, it also has a lot more than one hand so it can use more of its hands, catch it and then toss it back at them, or it can just shove it back at them just like Naruto did

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.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Weren't those the main body hands?

Aren't the other hands much much smaller?

Also that bijuudama also dwarfs the 2 BMs ( which are more or less Kurama sized each seeing as how Naruto was as large as Hachibi and other bijuus and bijuus are usually the same size ) and that's simply based on a small frame.

 

[KidGamer65]

Weren't those the main body hands?

Aren't the other hands much much smaller?

Also that bijuudama also dwarfs the 2 BMs ( which are more or less Kurama sized each seeing as how Naruto was as large as Hachibi and other bijuus and bijuus are usually the same size ) and that's simply based on a small frame.

There is pretty much

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between the main body hands and the hands on its back.

100% Kurama is a lot bigger than BM Naruto, not to mention its still not bigger than the actual statue itself so it should be able to catch/redirect it.

That Bijuu Dama is clearly not bigger than the Buddha, which dwarfed 100% Kurama, who is considerably larger than 50% Kurama, Naruto and Minato's current power sources.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Hold on, what makes you so sure Kurama is bigger than BM Naruto? I know it makes sense for it to be, but BM is as big as Hachibi and other bijuus and from what I have seen all bijuus are pretty much the same size.

And now that I look at it, Naruto and Minato are dwarves compared to Shinsusenju, which means that they can throw the bijuudama towards its feet. Doubt Shinsusenju can extend its arms so much or kick the ball back.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hold on, what makes you so sure Kurama is bigger than BM Naruto? I know it makes sense for it to be, but BM is as big as Hachibi and other bijuus and from what I have seen all bijuus are pretty much the same size.

Unless you think 100% Kurama is as big as Hachibi and that 50% is smaller than Hachibi.

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And now that I look at it, Naruto and Minato are dwarves compared to Shinsusenju, which means that they can throw the bijuudama towards its feet. Doubt Shinsusenju can extend its arms so much or kick the ball back.

Considering it was able to extend its arms from

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down to

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, its perfectly possible he can do that.

Not to mention this strategy won't work if he decides to shove the dama right back into their faces instead of throwing it.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Unless you think 100% Kurama is as big as Hachibi

I kinda do.

All bijuus are the same size, as seen when Tobi brought his 6 jins and all of them were as big as Hachibi. Unless Kurama somehow makes an exception... well...

There's also this pic

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which shows all of them are the same size, more or less.

I know they were kids but it makes no sense for only Kurama to be bigger than the others.

Also Naruto having 50% Kurama doesn't mean he can only be half as big. Maybe it's why he can only form a chakra shroud rather than transforming into Kurama.

 

[Turson]

Maybe it's why he can only form a chakra shroud rather than transforming into Kurama.

Some off top from me, sorry. Like I said earlier, thats not the case.

No such thing like "full" Kurama mode for Naruto. Narutos BM differs from others not becuase Kurama that is sealed into him has only half of his chakra, thats becuase his seal different, special.

If what you are saying was true, Kurama would start looking ethereal right after Minato sealed away his other half, instead he only shrinked in size. ->

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KM8 also looked pretty physical. ->

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Narutos chakra shroud started to look different once his seal was remodelled (when he get KCM), and unless it changes again, his BM looks wont change, it will only get bigger and more powerful.

My point above is also the reason why Killer Bee in his mini Bijuu form looks like this. ->

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And not like this. ->

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I mean, KB is in full control of his Bijuus chakra, but we dont see him getting a fancy cloak and shit. Naruto is the main hero, so its only natural his BM looks different to others.

 

[KidGamer65]

I kinda do.

All bijuus are the same size, as seen when Tobi brought his 6 jins and all of them were as big as Hachibi. Unless Kurama somehow makes an exception... well...

There's also this pic

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which shows all of them are the same size, more or less.

Your evidence for 100% Kurama being as big as Hachibi is:

-When they were younger, which is clearly flawed for obvious reasons. Just because they started out the same size doesn't mean they need to end up the same size.

-That the 6 Jins and Hachibi were the same size, despite us talking about Kurama. You also claim that all Bijuu are the same size when they clearly aren't.

Why would BM Naruto be any bigger or as big as 100% Kurama? It doesn't make sense considering he is only using 50% Kurama for his BM.

Not to mention Wood Dragon

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less times than it was

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Also Naruto having 50% Kurama doesn't mean he can only be half as big. Maybe it's why he can only form a chakra shroud rather than transforming into Kurama.

Not sure why you say this. All Bijuu transformations are modeled after the Bijuu in proportions. Naruto's is just a chakra cloak.

 

[AGoodBoy]

What does rinnegan bring so strong as to be able to fight 2 BMs ?

EDO madara is essentially these guys fighting EMS madara, BAse hashirama and nagato at the same time. They're going to die Mid diff at most. Their chakra cloaks are easily absorbed by mokuton dragon, preta or a combination of both. It's trainwreck after that.

EDIT: Wait, when you say rinnegan Madara, are you refering to the crippled old man attached to gedo? Because that'd make no sense...

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Why would BM Naruto be any bigger or as big as 100% Kurama?

Because he's only chakra, whereas Kurama is flesh and bones.

My theory is that the volume is the same, but the mass is different.

I also think all bijuus are more or less the same size but you're of course free to prove me wrong.

 

[KidGamer65]

Because he's only chakra, whereas Kurama is flesh and bones.

My theory is that the volume is the same, but the mass is different.

I also think all bijuus are more or less the same size but you're of course free to prove me wrong.

There's already a scan posted on BM Naruto utilizing the power of 50% Kurama being equal in size with Killer B. You have no rebuttal for this, just an assumption that for some reason, just because its made of chakra and not flesh, it should be bigger. Which is a baseless assumption.

There's already been a scan that shows Wood Dragon being able to wrap around BM Naruto, more times than he was able to wrap around 100% Kurama, clearly showing that 100% Kurama is bigger than BM Naruto.

Also, I am pretty sure that saying the volume is the same is the same as saying that they are the same size. Mass is the amount of matter inside something.

So yes, I have shown 2 pieces of evidence that clearly show that 100% Kurama>Other bijuu in size, you haven't shown anything that refutes this.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

First of all, it may simply be that Hashirama's Wood Dragon is bigger. It wouldn't come of as a surprise, since Hashirama has more chakra and better use of Mokuton. Then there's also the fact that Kishimoto doesn't pay attention to stuff like that ( how many times the dragon went around Kurama, seriously? ) or that Hashirama chose to be more lenient whereas Madara was more aggressive.

There's already a scan posted on BM Naruto utilizing the power of 50% Kurama being equal in size with Killer B. You have no rebuttal for this, just an assumption that for some reason, just because its made of chakra and not flesh, it should be bigger. Which is a baseless assumption.

You are making an assumption, too. That BM Naruto is smaller than full Kurama. I disagree. I think he is of the same size. I can't see why we should take yours as correct.

Indeed, 50% Kurama is smaller than 100% Kurama, but Naruto doesn't transform into 50% Kurama, he envelops himself in chakra. Which is entirely different.

Also, I am pretty sure that saying the volume is the same is the same as saying that they are the same size.

That's what I am saying. That BM Naruto is the same size as Kurama.

So yes, I have shown 2 pieces of evidence that clearly show that 100% Kurama>Other bijuu in size, you haven't shown anything that refutes this.

I'll simply redirect you to the chapters where the 4tails is as big as the 8tails and how most of the bijuus are more or less the same size.

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For Kurama to be twice their size makes no sense.

 

[KidGamer65]

First of all, it may simply be that Hashirama's Wood Dragon is bigger. It wouldn't come of as a surprise, since Hashirama has more chakra and better use of Mokuton.

There is no reason that Wood Dragon would be bigger if Madara used it. Hashirama having more chakra than Madara really doesn't matter since jutsu take a certain amount of chakra to use, its not like they are pouring all their chakra into it or a very large amount. Not to mention there is no proof its bigger.

Better use of Mokuton simply implies that he can use it better than Madara, doesn't mean that his Base Mokuton is equal to Hashirama's when its clear that Madara=Hashirama's Base Mokuton in power (Only the jutsus that Madara has access to) There's also

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You are making an assumption, too. That BM Naruto is smaller than full Kurama. I disagree. I think he is of the same size. I can't see why we should take yours as correct.

My assumption isn't baseless.

50% Kurama is smaller than full Kurama and Naruto uses his power.

Wood Dragon wrapped around BM Naruto more times than it did to full Kurama indicating that full Kurama is bigger. There is no reason for Madara's Wood Dragon to be smaller than Hashirama's.

Indeed, 50% Kurama is smaller than 100% Kurama, but Naruto doesn't transform into 50% Kurama, he envelops himself in chakra. Which is entirely different.

The only thing different about is that its made of chakra. Not that he can make it bigger. Kurama Avatar is a chakra manifestation of the Kurama inside Naruto. Why would it be bigger than the Kurama in Naruto?

That's what I am saying. That BM Naruto is the same size as Kurama.

Well you're wrong.

I'll simply redirect you to the chapters where the 4tails is as big as the 8tails and how most of the bijuus are more or less the same size.

For Kurama to be twice their size makes no sense.

All bijuu bar Kurama are the same size as the manga shows, you saying it makes no sense doesn't change the fact that its true. Kurama clearly is bigger than the rest of the Bijuu.