Minato and Itachi (KidGamer65) vs. Nagato (Zexion~)

[Zexion~]

Its fine, other people might criticize you for this though.

I'll look for another judge after class.

 

[EZQ]

Don't let this thread die people. Where's the other judge?

 

[Zexion~]

Been preoccupied, got to find one.

 

[Brooks]

I'm still reading both debaters posts word for word and I will give my judgment once I am done.

Just making this post so the thread won't die.

 

[Zexion~]

Goodlooks bro

 

[Zee U]

Yo, let's judge (a bit late though).

Formatting, wording et cetera

Even though not much judge "this", to me it's a factor in the final verdict, considering that those qualities play a huge part on public speeches, lawyers' charges (is it how you call them in English?) and of course, debates (writing like YoungDebater also gives me chills while not understanding half the shìt he says). Grammar, wording and understandability was nicely done by both parts, KG was more on point while Zex sometimes felt confusing, but not to the point of tipping the scale to one specific side.

Argumentations:

First of all, this was a nice debate with nice posts from both of you (Zex's last one really showed what he was capable of). Zexion's arguments were so and so at the beginning and while they got progressively better it wasn't necessary a good thing. All that about Shurado could have been listed in the first posts greatly helping your point, so while you convinced me on your specific strategy regarding it i was left out with a sense of incompletness because, like i said, you could have done better before. Also your argument for him being capable of reacting to Minato or not felt very lacking, why didn't you put Sensing and Rinnegan in your arguments instead of focusing way too much on Deva bro? Though i liked your usage of Chikushodo (wished to see more from other summons also, but the bird exploit was nice still) and Nagato's Elemental Jutsus along the Shurado exploit which i've never seen before, so props to you fam.

KG's arguments were steady and firm during the whole debate, good from the beginning till the end. You totally smashed through Zexion's Preta and Kunai counters, speaking of the latter your markings strategy was well thought and countered any Fujutsu Kyuin attempt. Your CST one was also plausible, especially taking into factor Yata. You also won the Reaction part, even though your opponent's arguments regarding it weren't especially good. One thing i didn't like is that you forgot (?) about CT in your last post, but judging overall the points were solid.

One thing i didn't understand at all was about the outside markings, very confusing whether or not they were present.

Verdict:

Spoiler

Judging objectively, my vote goes to KidGamer. Zex, i feel like you could have won this if you would have gone all out from the beginning getting more specific, also because since your arguments were clever for the most part and you made good use of Nagato's ridicolously huge arsenal.

 

[Zexion~]

Yo, let's judge (a bit late though).

Formatting, wording et cetera

Even though not much judge "this", to me it's a factor in the final verdict, considering that those qualities play a huge part on public speeches, lawyers' charges (is it how you call them in English?) and of course, debates (writing like YoungDebater also gives me chills while not understanding half the shìt he says). Grammar, wording and understandability was nicely done by both parts, KG was more on point while Zex sometimes felt confusing, but not to the point of tipping the scale to one specific side.

Argumentations:

First of all, this was a nice debate with nice posts from both of you (Zex's last one really showed what he was capable of). Zexion's arguments were so and so at the beginning and while they got progressively better it wasn't necessary a good thing. All that about Shurado could have been listed in the first posts greatly helping your point, so while you convinced me on your specific strategy regarding it i was left out with a sense of incompletness because, like i said, you could have done better before. Also your argument for him being capable of reacting to Minato or not felt very lacking, why didn't you put Sensing and Rinnegan in your arguments instead of focusing way too much on Deva bro? Though i liked your usage of Chikushodo (wished to see more from other summons also, but the bird exploit was nice still) and Nagato's Elemental Jutsus along the Shurado exploit which i've never seen before, so props to you fam.

KG's arguments were steady and firm during the whole debate, good from the beginning till the end. You totally smashed through Zexion's Preta and Kunai counters, speaking of the latter your markings strategy was well thought and countered any Fujutsu Kyuin attempt. Your CST one was also plausible, especially taking into factor Yata. You also won the Reaction part, even though your opponent's arguments regarding it weren't especially good. One thing i didn't like is that you forgot (?) about CT in your last post, but judging overall the points were solid.

One thing i didn't understand at all was about the outside markings, very confusing whether or not they were present.

Verdict:

Spoiler

Judging objectively, my vote goes to KidGamer. Zex, i feel like you could have won this if you would have gone all out from the beginning getting more specific, also because since your arguments were clever for the most part and you made good use of Nagato's ridicolously huge arsenal.

How do you suppose sensing and rinnegan would have helped me my man?

So you think he could place a Kunai behind Nagato is what you are saying? Despite the elemental jutsu? Not arguing just curious.

Good judgement though.

 

[Zee U]

How do you suppose sensing and rinnegan would have helped me my man?

So you think he could place a Kunai behind Nagato is what you are saying? Despite the elemental jutsu? Not arguing just curious.

Good judgement though.

Thanks to Full Intel Nagato knows Hiraishin's mechanism and markings of consequence. Him using Rinnegan to see the chakra buildup for Minato's Hiraishin, especially thanks to shared vision with summons would have greatly helped his mental reactions. Sensing is a plus but a solid argument can't be placed on it because we don't know the extent of Nagato's sensing capabilities as we only saw him sensing Ama's buildup, he could be a noob or he simply doesn't rely on it much.

 

[Apêx1]

Thanks to Full Intel Nagato knows Hiraishin's mechanism and markings of consequence. Him using Rinnegan to see the chakra buildup for Minato's Hiraishin, especially thanks to shared vision with summons would have greatly helped his mental reactions. Sensing is a plus but a solid argument can't be placed on it because we don't know the extent of Nagato's sensing capabilities as we only saw him sensing Ama's buildup, he could be a noob or he simply doesn't rely on it much.

So you made your verdict based off your own opinion or based off of what Zex said? Because what you said doesn't hold true.

 

[Zexion~]

Thanks to Full Intel Nagato knows Hiraishin's mechanism and markings of consequence. Him using Rinnegan to see the chakra buildup for Minato's Hiraishin, especially thanks to shared vision with summons would have greatly helped his mental reactions. Sensing is a plus but a solid argument can't be placed on it because we don't know the extent of Nagato's sensing capabilities as we only saw him sensing Ama's buildup, he could be a noob or he simply doesn't rely on it much.

FTG uses the chakra in the seal, not even sure if there is build up, shared vision doesn't help as I already had full vision covered with Asura.

But yeah should have used the chakra view point I suppose.

 

[Apêx1]

Rinnegan cannot see internal chakra build up. Zex did just fine countering FTG with the Futon. Only possible thing anyone can complain about is you not using Nagato's ability to create a Shinra Tensei 'wall' wherever he pleases [

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[KidGamer65]

1. Hirashin build up can not be sensed.
2. Kunai behind Nagato is only one of the ways the duo can engage Minato.
3. Shines Tensei wall is a bad counter for the same reason fuuton was introduced from the start.

 

[Unorthodox]

Why can't ftg built up be sensed?

 

[Zexion~]

Shit, the whole time I told myself dont bother looking at that display from Nagato there's nothing worth it there :lol

Could have used it,

 

[TRE MERCER]

Why do people bother arguing with the judges? There most likely never going to change their mind.​

 

[Unorthodox]

Why do people bother arguing with the judges? There most likely never going to change their mind.​

They've changed there mind in your debate LMFAO.

 

[TRE MERCER]

They've changed there mind in your debate LMFAO.

The judge was Kratos an idiot all around he obviously doesn't count though i do regret making him a judge in the first place but back then he knew were he stood which was a fodder he wasn't such the loud mouth.​

 

[Zexion~]

Why do people bother arguing with the judges? There most likely never going to change their mind.​

Who are you? No ones arguing I honestly just asked him who he thought won that particular argument smh, because he didn't state it in the thread.

Ice I see you lurking, you made a terrible judgement of course it was going to be argued, and if I remember correctly you started the conversation with me over VM's.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Jesus...... although see some mistakes in logic that can be attributed to rushing my man, tsk tsk

Post will be up sometime this week, either before or after I move in, don't think there is really any time limit any more.

Ik the debate is over but human path is bot useless. It rips out souls for crying out loud. If nagato just touches Minato or itachi one they're dead. No one can enter taijutsu against nagato. I think human path is what give nagato the win. All he has to do is grab them one time. With ALLLL of his other techniques that should be no problem.

 

[Lord Tywin]

The judge was Kratos an idiot all around he obviously doesn't count though i do regret making him a judge in the first place but back then he knew were he stood which was a fodder he wasn't such the loud mouth.​

lmao How could I miss this guy's usual shit spouting mouth? lmao are you still mad I changed my vote from you to EZQ, due to him whooping your ass thoroughly? smh