Minato and Itachi (KidGamer65) vs. Nagato (Zexion~)
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Nope. Didn't say that. Read again before you reply.
Directional attack means nothing about what it encompasses or where it starts, it does go in one direction but it can start and encompass whatever it wants.
-With basic reading skills you can see the force boundries are around and larger than Nagato himself.
-The water is clearly being divided and pushed two different ways by something.
You've clearly contradicted yourself you stated thta you agree that the wind blew around his body fully (and i've shown this) but now you're stating that he can't.....
He has three angles to use the jutsu at going by canon depiction of the amoutn of arms he can spawn. Now if all three of them encompass his whole body what happens if he simply uses all of them at once? No reason he can't simply form and distribute the chakra into each section of his body. No kunai would be able to reach him as every angle would be covered.
Also I don't see why you're thinking Minato is going to be able to be reaching the backs and sides of Nagato when it has to travel past his front first, if you're using Itachi to up your versatility with the kunai again...they both have to start in front of Nagato and get blasted by the fuuton before either get the chance to be redirected around or behind him.
Asura Path lets Nagato summon 6 mechanical arms as shown in canon.
Why are you assuming that the front arms couldn't form handsigns with the ones on the side? Or better yet the back ones forming them with the sides, its physically possible and works as if he blocks it off from the sides (or the front even as I stated) he has no need to block from the back. Every Kunai angle is literally accounted for.
Even though the only one that needs to be acounted for is the front.
This is all ESPECIALLY viable due to the fact that his arms can even extend.
So he can form the handseals wherever honestly.
Can clearly see the arm is pertruding from his neck, not his shoulderblades as it was in Asura. Hence he can spwan the arms wherver he wants :lol.
:lol @ the girl thing when the best Shurikan user in the manga is what? A 16 year old girl.
Anyways Itachi's kunai were deflected at a much closer range but a snake that wasn't even spawned before it
Meanwhile Nagato's reacted to
-FRS
-Jiraiyas Senbon (his quickest attack)
The latter in a closer distance then either of these two will achieve. He can use the fuuton in time without any room for doubt.
Then Itachi and Minato just need a different approach to getting a marking near him. Though as explained above this strategy fails regardless.
Same thing actually happened with Naruto and Sasuke
Rinnegan can see chakra, and yes even the seals.
He also will have summons left around, especially the bird in the air so his sight isn't being very hindered.
What you should have done to those strategies.
-Opening his arm
-Bursting things from his neck
So he can take damage that would normally kill a human and still be able to heal.
Uh what? He has no way of knowing when Preta is being used and after the Rasengan is absorbed gets hit with ST as the cooldown wouldn't even be in effect as he has so many other ways to counter an FGT blitz.
But as I've said a million times no kunai is getting past Nagato's countermeasures for it for this to ever happen anyways.
However I don't see any kunai getting through what I've stated here anyways.
IF Nagato is Tagged
Now, judges this is up to you to interpret or not as it's a "just in case" option. While its true Nagato can't absorb the seal itself, as seals being unable to be absorbed is the commom consensus, could he not absorb the chakra straight out of the seal with Preta? Rendering it useless?
DB states that chakra absorbed is disperesed meaning its destroyed so Minato couldn't constantly FTG to Nagato if that is what you're thinking.
If you don't think that would work there is another alternative to Preta. That is the Gedo, KG was right in saying he can't use it to launch an all out attack against the two, or summon it fully, but he's already shown that he can summon it relatively without any backlash
Even if i'm wrong like I said its merely a just in case scenario and I can rely whole heartidly on simply no Kunai being able to get through to Nagato.
Also don't recall you posting a scan of the range but regardless this point isn't needed.
But again, this is pointless Nagato doesn't need to attack Itachi.
-Nagato's shown to be able to activate it within a second, posted the scan in the first part, the moment he got his powers back he used the jutsu.
-Again activated preta path to intercept a KCM Naruto strike which logically should be above a kunai slash or a rasengan from Minato, as well as a V2 Bee which again a slower techinque by the same user was intercepting Minato's attacks you claim will flat out blitz Nagato.
Nagato's reacted to a V2 blitz from the same person which is > The jutsu used by Bee to stop his FTG Blitz, and again Obito had the time to realize what had happened, give Nagato the time to realize what happened (which he will as nothing is catching him off guard with his combined site) and he can react due to feats he has.
He can extend his arm, and preta along with it increasing the distance between him and Itachi.
But I literally in my second post said this is un-needed Nagato doesn't need to attack Itachi at all, why you keep going with it idk.
Also note that there are kunai on the dresser closer to him as well, so the range isn't as far as you think it is. Feats show it as unreliable anyways, and he's never depended on it in the manga so you using it so heavily is sketch.
You mean when it was Kabuto trying to control more than he could? Anyways as I said the wall of foam works.
Add in the variable of 30 feet of elevation and the ability to move up and down along with left and right and its even harder.
*Activating* and it hadn't been 5 seconds yet so don't clam he just used it again, he clearly made it stronger as evident by Kakashi's surprised face.
Also please tell me if movement is so free during BT why Naruto wasn't able to destroy preta like he had done a chapter earlier
"The fact that a puny sword ricochaed off a strong defense means it ST and CST is most certainly being reflected" are you comparing the power of force to a katana? Anyways jump and strike something and if its unable to pierce it ricoches. Jump and try to pierce, idk titanium the sword vibrates violently and throws you off it.
The sfx is even *claaang* as if it just clashed with something and was thrown backwards, not because it was magically reflected.
Sasuke was basically almost in the blast radious of what he threw
Striking a less experienced Obito during his weakened time is impressive but its not as if he was just straight up faster than his intangiblity.
The crater was formed from the tentacle striking the earth, nothing to do with how hard he struck.
He needs more time for a Rasengan than he does a simple kunai strike, especially if he's not going to have it up before he blitzes (if he did Nagato can simply activate preta when he see's it happening, and unlike kamui he doesn't have to let preta down).
I'm just going to copy and paste what I said above, cause there's no reason for me to give this another reply.
Will Minato not have to charge his Rasengan.......? As I said if he charges it before the bltiz Nagato's going to have Preta up regardless, and if Minato has to charge it after FTG'ng to the kunai then that gives Nagato even more time to react.
If they launch fast enough and strong enough to keep his whole body off the ground horinztally wise (more gravity being applied to more surface area) then there isn't a reason he can't do so with just going straight up.
Its clearly spawning in a higher position than it did originally. It moved after that btw, as there is no possible way that if it spawned originally like it did in this scan
Just the fact that he now has the booster on his arm isntead of his head prompts the fact that he can change.
Hell he doesn't even need to, all he has to do is extend his arm with Asura path, doesn't need to spawn it any lower.
One last thing
There are clearly multipme joint holes for the arms to fit in, meaning that he can clearly put them in seperate order or hell even make more than 6 as there are 6 there not counting the ones on the other side.
If you still don't believe it oh well, need the judges to not you.
A homing missile is something that follows the opponent,
But again this doesn't matter if you're using the marking on the mountain.
Even if the original ST isn't enough without the ground to do serious damage, but the CST? enough force to destroy a village condensed onto one person, you don't need to hit the ground you'd be crushed in an instant.
It does matter, it matters plenty.
Is he going to be doing this the entire fight? Don't recallly having any more impressive sensor feats, even if he does Minato needs to swtich to sensing, and during the midst of a battle I doubt he's going to be doing that, especially when you have him being blasted by ST and trying to FTG blitz Nagato 24/7/
You literally have no way of knowing when CST is going to be used.
ST didn't reflect Kakashi's lightning hound
Anyways Nagato wins this matchup firstly because you haven't countered CT, and I mean at all...idk if you forgot about it or something but its not evident in your last two posts really.
Its range is gigantic, larger than the origianal crater they are batteling in (a whole mountain range) so the hokage mountain is going to be taken in along with any other FTG seals for Minato to teleport out of.
-They don't have the capacity to take it down on their own
-Once inside to make sure it ends Nagato uses a CST on the CT crushing them like a giant godly sandcoffin
That combined with the fact that
-Nagato has the FTG kunai countered
-Itachi is not a threat
-Even at the worst Nagato can most likely react to an FTG blitz he see's coming. With the feats enad explanations I've given you
-Minato has no way to counter a condensed CST when used on him, he won't be in sensing mode to sense it and he can't see it coming, so he gets crushed. Itachi is then toyed with for 5 minutes as Preta shits on his whole arsenal until CST again destroys him as well. This and CT end this battle.
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Since you're using the tag all this is really moot.
Only thing silly is you assuming Nagato would let Minato blitz towards the outside of the crater without doing anything. But alas you've taken the cowards way out so Minato doesn't need to reach the outside anymore (although the fact that you were arguing this leads me to believe you weren't planning on using the Hokage tag)
Nope. Didn't say that. Read again before you reply.
The water you're suggesting was moved by Yahiko's movement is clearly just his suiton which he's still using. There really isn't any water moving around Konan so this was a terrible point.
Directional attack means nothing about what it encompasses or where it starts, it does go in one direction but it can start and encompass whatever it wants.
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-With basic reading skills you can see the force boundries are around and larger than Nagato himself.
-The water is clearly being divided and pushed two different ways by something.
Will adress both together.
You've clearly contradicted yourself you stated thta you agree that the wind blew around his body fully (and i've shown this) but now you're stating that he can't.....
He has three angles to use the jutsu at going by canon depiction of the amoutn of arms he can spawn. Now if all three of them encompass his whole body what happens if he simply uses all of them at once? No reason he can't simply form and distribute the chakra into each section of his body. No kunai would be able to reach him as every angle would be covered.
Also I don't see why you're thinking Minato is going to be able to be reaching the backs and sides of Nagato when it has to travel past his front first, if you're using Itachi to up your versatility with the kunai again...they both have to start in front of Nagato and get blasted by the fuuton before either get the chance to be redirected around or behind him.
Asura Path lets Nagato summon 6 mechanical arms as shown in canon.
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:lol you're really grasping man. As I said nothing is even reaching his sides or his back in the first place but i'll entertain your foolish notion as its the last post.
Why are you assuming that the front arms couldn't form handsigns with the ones on the side? Or better yet the back ones forming them with the sides, its physically possible and works as if he blocks it off from the sides (or the front even as I stated) he has no need to block from the back. Every Kunai angle is literally accounted for.
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Even though the only one that needs to be acounted for is the front.
This is all ESPECIALLY viable due to the fact that his arms can even extend.
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So he can form the handseals wherever honestly.
Ill stick that he can form with 6.
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Can clearly see the arm is pertruding from his neck, not his shoulderblades as it was in Asura. Hence he can spwan the arms wherver he wants :lol.
She's not going to through them slow enough for Jiraiya to not be struck by it at all.
:lol @ the girl thing when the best Shurikan user in the manga is what? A 16 year old girl.
Anyways Itachi's kunai were deflected at a much closer range but a snake that wasn't even spawned before it
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Meanwhile Nagato's reacted to
-FRS
-Jiraiyas Senbon (his quickest attack)
The latter in a closer distance then either of these two will achieve. He can use the fuuton in time without any room for doubt.
You saying that Nagato couldn't react to a kunai when they've never caught anyone in the manga is ridiculous in its own right.
Then Itachi and Minato just need a different approach to getting a marking near him. Though as explained above this strategy fails regardless.
Lmfao he absorbs Susano'o then ST's them both :lol as its already debatble if he can react to a directly FTG blitz with a kunai thrown at him, add in the distance between Itachi and Nagato if he's using a V4 Susano'o and the fact that Nagato can absorb Susano'o with an extended Asura arm using preta path (explained above) and he can react with ST :lol If they try to throw Kunai while they're being blown backwards the fuuton/suiton repel them both.
.-. Fuuton would reach them both forcing them to move.....Then he's got Asura's missiles and Summoning if he wants to move them otherwise. Worst case scenario he uses fuuton during ST's cooldown time and ST during Fuutons "cooldown" which is less then 5 seconds. But as I said he's not just going to allow them to sit there and throw projectiles at him.
Uh, why would it being on fire negate the force exactly? Amertarasu has no force to it as its spawned directly, if anything you've just launched black flame at Minato and his kunai. Not to mention that's a bit sketchy as its not like Itachi's going to be able to use it INSTANTLY when the fuuton is used, so its not stopping the kunai from being deflected.
Same thing actually happened with Naruto and Sasuke
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Obviously the fuuton isn't a COFRS, but it wasn't burned away instantly and Naruto states that the "fire" is still making the wind stronger.Rinnegan can see chakra, and yes even the seals.
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He sensed a barrier that was also a psuedo chakra...thing. As proven when he didn't just absorb it with Preta, similar to how seals can't be absorbed. He also will have summons left around, especially the bird in the air so his sight isn't being very hindered.
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What you should have done to those strategies.
Kinda did in your posts after but no matter.
Pretty sure the asura path's summonings replace the organs, as seen when he's casually
-Opening his arm
-Bursting things from his neck
So he can take damage that would normally kill a human and still be able to heal.
Actually, it can pull you in on its own
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So if Nagato for some reason can't enter himself it could quickly drag him in and heal him regardless, debatable if he could still do it upon Nagato's death as well.What? I don't care if it didn't tank Raikiri. I'm saying that the enhanced durability is present in his neck area as well so just saying a kunai slash to the neck will kill Nagato is extremely arguable, and since you've used it as your main fatalaty you really only have one option left and thats Rasengan.
Kunai is sort of useless as I stated.
Uh what? He has no way of knowing when Preta is being used and after the Rasengan is absorbed gets hit with ST as the cooldown wouldn't even be in effect as he has so many other ways to counter an FGT blitz.
But as I've said a million times no kunai is getting past Nagato's countermeasures for it for this to ever happen anyways.
Nah man.
SM enhances jutsu...... Easiest example is the transition from RS to FRS :lol.
Shin the character with no reasoning for having a different body structure? But yeah i'll agree that his insides aren't as vulnerable to Rasengan due to zetsu interference.
However I don't see any kunai getting through what I've stated here anyways.
Instead of arguing Nagato tanks it and then Minato marks him, I'll be arguing Nagato absorbs it and then Minato marks him (this is WORST CASE) as I've given more than enough to show no FTG blitz is happening, just really want the judges to understand that.
IF Nagato is Tagged
Now, judges this is up to you to interpret or not as it's a "just in case" option. While its true Nagato can't absorb the seal itself, as seals being unable to be absorbed is the commom consensus, could he not absorb the chakra straight out of the seal with Preta? Rendering it useless?
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DB states that chakra absorbed is disperesed meaning its destroyed so Minato couldn't constantly FTG to Nagato if that is what you're thinking.
If you don't think that would work there is another alternative to Preta. That is the Gedo, KG was right in saying he can't use it to launch an all out attack against the two, or summon it fully, but he's already shown that he can summon it relatively without any backlash
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with full intel he could summon it at the start and since its already shown to be a jutsu that bypasses much more powerful seals than the FTG one, it should negate them through Logic. I'm questioning why he wasn't injured when using it to seal the Biju as it basically did the same thing
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However it should be able to negate FTG seals, hell might even be able to negate the ones on the Kunai as well, however on a lesser and quicker scale getting rid of the seals most threatning to him would do. Even if i'm wrong like I said its merely a just in case scenario and I can rely whole heartidly on simply no Kunai being able to get through to Nagato.
.-. Nagato's techniques themselves are stronger than with the paths anyways, due to more chakra and stamina. So even if its not concentrated it should be able to take out a few Kunai, in one blast.
Chakra > Natural Explosions .-.
I really don't need to counter this, as Nagato has no need to voluntarily go and absorb Susano'o, althought you mostly have YM up which would be V4 Susano'o no?
Also don't recall you posting a scan of the range but regardless this point isn't needed.
Its more than a Meter, and if he moves around to the side where Itachi isn't tagged Minato would have to then turn around and try to blitz which takes more time, worst case scenario he ST's them both away since this is only "V3" Susano'o even it was V4 it would have been absorbed.
But again, this is pointless Nagato doesn't need to attack Itachi.
I guess taking down two clones trying to hold you DOESN'T make it a little harder to avoid :lol
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Seeing as he was also able to react to 6T Bee and absorb his chakra quicker than Kisame could
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Its quicker because as we can see Kisame was thrown instantly
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despite Samehada still absorbing chakra
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. Which means that if Nagato was ever hit by hit he should have still been moved back, unless he absorbed it before the V2 force was applied, making it an easily tankable base lariat, which means he could activate Preta pretty damn quick. Especially since its commonly known that V2 Bee is > Biju Bee in speed.Arguable, but alright.
Except I've just proven that he can activate a technique faster than a V2 Biju can blitz, and if a Slower attack with the same person was able to intercept the blitz i'm relating the feats too Nagato should be able to react MENTALLY fine.
That's not what i've said at all.
-Nagato's shown to be able to activate it within a second, posted the scan in the first part, the moment he got his powers back he used the jutsu.
-Again activated preta path to intercept a KCM Naruto strike which logically should be above a kunai slash or a rasengan from Minato, as well as a V2 Bee which again a slower techinque by the same user was intercepting Minato's attacks you claim will flat out blitz Nagato.
What? Could Bee react to Nagato's catching of his free-fall with that technique? No he didn't, despite the fact that it would have been helpful. Unless Bee started launching it before Minato even teleported which makes no sense, so really it had everything to do with Minato being too slow, and his FTG blitz not being as fast as you thought.
Nagato's reacted to a V2 blitz from the same person which is > The jutsu used by Bee to stop his FTG Blitz, and again Obito had the time to realize what had happened, give Nagato the time to realize what happened (which he will as nothing is catching him off guard with his combined site) and he can react due to feats he has.
What assault? He ST's them away and then if they try to throw kunai (which btw I dont see them being able to use Itachi's skills to get it behind Nagato while there being blasted by ST) its blocked via Fuuton.
He can extend his arm, and preta along with it increasing the distance between him and Itachi.
But I literally in my second post said this is un-needed Nagato doesn't need to attack Itachi at all, why you keep going with it idk.
Also note that there are kunai on the dresser closer to him as well, so the range isn't as far as you think it is. Feats show it as unreliable anyways, and he's never depended on it in the manga so you using it so heavily is sketch.
Nope.
:lol I've shown he can react to Minato suddenly appearing with FTG, but even if he couldn't he extends his arm with preta to meet Itachi.
So much wasted effort as I literally just said I don't care about his stamina, Itachi's going to collapse yeah but not from stamina exertion.
The sub par argumentation you didn't even counter?
You mean when it was Kabuto trying to control more than he could? Anyways as I said the wall of foam works.
What? If he summons it near itachi and he uses it its blocking his LoS whether he used Susano'o or not :lol Do you even read the manga? Raikage was standing still when he needed his higher reactions to avoid it. Sasuke avoided it via moving around, you idiot (Don't give me that Itachi didn't want to hit him crap, he could have easily put it out once Oro was drawn forth.) its really quite simple and I don't know why you're getting it, if things move around in different directions you can't look at them all at the same time :lol and its going to take longer to hit them.Yes guys "summons can move around" thus Itachi will have a hard time hitting them with a technique that Ay needed his max speed to evade.You are grasping at straws and it's evident here, given that your counter for Amaterasu on the summons is "they move around".
That's not a wall, it's a stream of bubbles. If the clam fires it, it won't block Itachi's view of him, not to mention Itachi can just ignore it, block with Susanoo and then use Amaterasu on another summon who doesn't have an attack to block LoS in any way, shape or form.
Add in the variable of 30 feet of elevation and the ability to move up and down along with left and right and its even harder.
Pretty sure pre-cog has a range, but using it while Amertarasu is active and one eye closed. Not to mention Nagato can just summon it away from Itachi anyways.
The fact you think a giant bird moving in the air from 30m
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.-. its like 10 meters, whatever man nothing really more complex then flight.Didn't adress it at all, and what? If he FTG's to Itachi who is being pulled, he too is pulled, the force isn't only felt by one person lmfao, not to mention it would be farther than a FTG V2 blitz so he could react and get Minato in his own BT (as i've proven he can react to a V2 basically anyways).
Madara was just tanking shit he could have avoided I believe :lol, but the original rock would have the force increased with BT I was assuming if he broke it the fragments wouldn't be affected anymore.
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*Activating* and it hadn't been 5 seconds yet so don't clam he just used it again, he clearly made it stronger as evident by Kakashi's surprised face.
Also please tell me if movement is so free during BT why Naruto wasn't able to destroy preta like he had done a chapter earlier
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LMFAO
"The fact that a puny sword ricochaed off a strong defense means it ST and CST is most certainly being reflected" are you comparing the power of force to a katana? Anyways jump and strike something and if its unable to pierce it ricoches. Jump and try to pierce, idk titanium the sword vibrates violently and throws you off it.
The sfx is even *claaang* as if it just clashed with something and was thrown backwards, not because it was magically reflected.
Sasuke was basically almost in the blast radious of what he threw
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and wasn't affected at all, so at the very least its not reflecting force back at the user.CST would take out Minato.
Before he actually hit him though, put Nagato in that situation and ST would be used.
I'm saying that Obito was putting his focus into warping Minato so even though he realiezd where the blitz was, he couldn't shift it into making himself intangable, pretty sure that's how he was first damaged. Kakashi even stated that's when you have to deal damage to Obito
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Striking a less experienced Obito during his weakened time is impressive but its not as if he was just straight up faster than his intangiblity.
Striking speed man.
Arguent is Obito saw it coming but was during his weak point/phase Nagato isn't going to be vulnerable like Obito so he can easily ST in time.
Not a noob Obito during Kamui's weak spot, and he'd have to muster up the same amount of strength if he wants to have a hope of striking through Asura's enhanced durability.
The crater was formed from the tentacle striking the earth, nothing to do with how hard he struck.
He needs more time for a Rasengan than he does a simple kunai strike, especially if he's not going to have it up before he blitzes (if he did Nagato can simply activate preta when he see's it happening, and unlike kamui he doesn't have to let preta down).
I don't think you understand how Kamui works :lol read the scan I posted with Kakashi above, it was his weakspot moron made even waker from lack of experience with the jutsu most likely (just like Kakashi's Kamui wasn't as strong at first) if you're trying to say he straight up blitzed fast enough for Obito to activate intagablity in general you're a moron, he had focused on switching it off, the weak spot of Kamui.
I'm just going to copy and paste what I said above, cause there's no reason for me to give this another reply.
You just aren't understanding shit.
Nah.
Oh it was BM that blitzed Obito. KCM still kept up with Itachi
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what CQC feats do you have of Minato that put him anywhere above KCM Naruto and Itachi? Instead of trying to insult my claims whhy not try disproving them instead. Will Minato not have to charge his Rasengan.......? As I said if he charges it before the bltiz Nagato's going to have Preta up regardless, and if Minato has to charge it after FTG'ng to the kunai then that gives Nagato even more time to react.
And I've countered them.
You talking about the same chameleon that couldn't even come near SM Jiraiya? If its speed was that good, it wouldn't need to hide itself because it would just be insanely fast :lol. He ended up BEHIND bee which means the chamelon would have had to have out paced the push from ST ( a pretty big one) which it has shown no speed feats for, clearly none you've posted. Nagato said he couldn't move around well because he can't fly and levitate for very long.
....He was off the ground horizontally, you can't tell me you don't think he could get off the ground either diagnol or verticaly even. He has two boosters on each foot
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if you think he can't sustain himself in the air you're insane.If they launch fast enough and strong enough to keep his whole body off the ground horinztally wise (more gravity being applied to more surface area) then there isn't a reason he can't do so with just going straight up.
So you're saying he's strong enough to launch a human being that far simply by kneeling down and then standing up again? Not even Tsunade or Sakura is that strong :lol, it obviously was a kind of mechanical feature unique to the Asura path, unless you wanted to show me feats putting him as the strongest shinobi in the manga. So no reason he can't launch himself.
I stated this earlier but i'll zoom in on it here for you
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Its clearly spawning in a higher position than it did originally. It moved after that btw, as there is no possible way that if it spawned originally like it did in this scan
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that we could see it behind Nagato's head.Just the fact that he now has the booster on his arm isntead of his head prompts the fact that he can change.
Hell he doesn't even need to, all he has to do is extend his arm with Asura path, doesn't need to spawn it any lower.
Definition for "At will" only one that defines phrases is google. Clearly you just lack basic knowledge on common phrases.
Because some techinques aren't as diverse.....is that you're only argument?
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I never said he could spawn MORE arms, I said he could shift one down more, although gurantee you're going to contradict this argument when it suits you more :lol
Bruh we all know you're the queen of butthurt.
:lol...... If he can form one thing in two different spots, no reason he can't do the same with a limb.
One last thing
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There are clearly multipme joint holes for the arms to fit in, meaning that he can clearly put them in seperate order or hell even make more than 6 as there are 6 there not counting the ones on the other side.
If you still don't believe it oh well, need the judges to not you.
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A homing missile is something that follows the opponent,
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Its clearly pointed straight down, it would have had to stablize its flight path a bit to not hit the ground right there. The point is to make him teleport......But like we said you're using the Mountain marking anyways.
They'd be ST'd :lol , along with any kunai near him so don't give me that either. Kunai thrown after (if they get up before the 5 seconds for some reason) are then blocked via fuuton/suiton.
But again this doesn't matter if you're using the marking on the mountain.
Well if he summons human path, and he can keep his Asura path ability that serves its purpose but very well.
No...It...Wouldn't. If he blows them away with ST he can then counter with fuuton if they throw shit, as shunsin wouldn't be fast enough after being blown away.
Ight keep it.
Made me chuckle :lol
Why would it state combination and exclaim that the damage from the ground is an addition to the already present damage of the shockwave thats like saying hitting the ground is what disperses jutsu used against it too :lol, it was strong enough to disperse amertarasu immediately.
Even if the original ST isn't enough without the ground to do serious damage, but the CST? enough force to destroy a village condensed onto one person, you don't need to hit the ground you'd be crushed in an instant.
It does matter, it matters plenty.
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Is he going to be doing this the entire fight? Don't recallly having any more impressive sensor feats, even if he does Minato needs to swtich to sensing, and during the midst of a battle I doubt he's going to be doing that, especially when you have him being blasted by ST and trying to FTG blitz Nagato 24/7/
You literally have no way of knowing when CST is going to be used.
What? If Nagato decides to use a directional one, Minato is getting squashed, its instant and there is no shockwaves if all the force is being condensed into one area? Minato has no way of knowing when this will even occur, substitute all those times you had him being pushed back by a normal ST with one of CST magnitude and he's finished. Even if he did a village wide one he'd do it directly over Minato, or how would one he used on the village look if used from on the ground? Either way I don't see why Nagato wouldn't just condense it so it strikes Minato only in that case, just to reduce the risk of Minato dodging it.
There wasn't that big a distance and the explosion was decent sized if it "reflected" it the whole blast would have been redirected towards Sasuke instead of just exploding on impact.
ST didn't reflect Kakashi's lightning hound
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When I say directional I mean that all the force is going to be condensed into a human sized area, where it proceeds to squash Minato :lol, I thought you know that as you were talking about it getting stronger, anyways even in your way if he uses it with Minato as the starting point he still gets squased and the shockwaves come after.
Because he'd need to FTG away, and that is in the oppisite direction.
I'm not talking about CST I meant CT, although directionally wise or condensed he has no way of knowing when its going to be used to teleport, and he gets squashed.
No chakra forms it into the body, it would be on the chakra changing the crows shape. This doesn't really matter though as an attack like Asura's abilities would make ALL the crows vanish, not just a few.
Half of those require them to stop their attacks, and after ST the fuuton and suiton both block any attempts to take advantage of the cooldown.
But he wont be directly in his eye sight, there are multiple reasons for that, hell from right there he could human path Itachi before Tsukuyomi is even activated, if Minato tries to blitz he ST's them both away.
Sort of have
Nah fam.
Anyways Nagato wins this matchup firstly because you haven't countered CT, and I mean at all...idk if you forgot about it or something but its not evident in your last two posts really.
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Its range is gigantic, larger than the origianal crater they are batteling in (a whole mountain range) so the hokage mountain is going to be taken in along with any other FTG seals for Minato to teleport out of.
-They don't have the capacity to take it down on their own
-Once inside to make sure it ends Nagato uses a CST on the CT crushing them like a giant godly sandcoffin
That combined with the fact that
-Nagato has the FTG kunai countered
-Itachi is not a threat
-Even at the worst Nagato can most likely react to an FTG blitz he see's coming. With the feats enad explanations I've given you
-Minato has no way to counter a condensed CST when used on him, he won't be in sensing mode to sense it and he can't see it coming, so he gets crushed. Itachi is then toyed with for 5 minutes as Preta shits on his whole arsenal until CST again destroys him as well. This and CT end this battle.
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KidGamer65
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i never said he would
i said he has good chances
with itachi as backup this just became a walk in the park
minato can literally avoid and counter everything nagato throws at him yet nagato would have a hard time dealing with his S/T
nagato absorbs one rasengan from minato and receives minato`s chakra....and we all know minato can teleport to a person he touched or a person that shares his chakra....that way minato can teleport straight to nagato and kills him with a kunai....because nagato can protect from such things via encasing himself with asura`s path mechanism this isnt a sure victory but still i believe minato has better chances....anyway not my debate,but just to put it out there
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Why? If you actually enjoy debating and the subject its a good read :lol, if you don't enjoy it enough to "deal" with wallies you probably should be spending the majority of your life elsewhere....
Not just you but everyone who complains about walls of text, as long as they're good arguments and not retarded shit, people shouldnt complain.
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Hit me up in a few days if guys still need a judge. I've got game today and tommorow in UMvC. I should be free after work on days after that
Emotional? Nah, just annoying how the hate on wallies wasn't a thing until someone started spouting it like a month ago, now if you post longer than 3 paragraphs its considered bad and unreadable. :lol
You clearly tried to throw a flame at me my man,
Nobody used to make such giant wallies before, it was all opener sized arguments. Nowadays I feel like I'm never going to finish scrolling down.
And nah dude, I might throw flames all the time but this was just funny.