Minato: An Analysis

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After all the Minato bashing , i've decided to make a list of Minato's feats and statements about him, and give the reasons why in my opinion he was the strongest Hokage.

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To begin with, many people seem to regard Hiruzen as the strongest based off Iruka's statement, calling him the ' strongest of all'. It was also said he mastered all the jutsu of the Leaf. Before i refute these points, let's see what else we know from the manga.
The 3rd admits he cannot defeat Oro, and Anko says she wishes the 4th was alive. Why..? Because the 3rd was the strongest Hokage..?
In the next page Hiruzen says the 4th is no longer here, we must rely on our own powers. By simple logical inference, this would imply that the 4th exceeded Hiruzen in ability.
This page probably caused confusion:

Notice that as soon as Iruka makes his statement, the 3rd scolds him by saying 'Iruka, don't use past tense'. Meaning that that statement of Iruka was applicable only in present tense, i.e at that time the 3rd was the strongest among the shinobi.
Then when Hiruzen talks about the importance of having someone precious to protect:
A close up of the 4th's statue is shown, with the words: just like you used to. It almost seems as if the 3rd was motivated by the 4th. Now, who has ever been motivated by someone weaker than them?
Then when fighting against Oro, despite knowing that Hashirama and Tobirama had just been summoned, he only decided to act at the 3rd coffin:

He says I must do something about the 3rd one. Why not the other 2? Should'nt he at least have attempted to do something to stop those 2 Edos, especially if as so many people assert, Hashirama>Minato?
But instead it seemed as if the 3rd coffin was all he feared, as if he could take the other 2. This is reinforced when an old Hiruzen manages to blow off Hashirama's leg during the fight. In the end, he uses a jutsu of the 4th to finish off the 2 Hokage Edos and Oro's arm.

Then much later on in the manga:
The Raikage says there was never a man that could surpass the 4th(mangareader), and that he was the Fastest shinobi alive(implied unequivocally).

Then, finally there were statements and flashbacks about Minato from both Jiraiya and Kakashi. J-man said words to the effect of everyone pales in comparison to him, and Kakashi after seeing Naruto in Bijjuu mode, in which he deflected 6 Tailed Beast Bombs at one time, is reminded of Minato:

He says se..sensei(possibly implying that Naruto in this mode has matched Minato's speed, i'm not sure if it means base or what).
Please note that Jiraiya was the 3rd's pupil, and yet he had amazing praise for the 4th.

That's all i have time for atm. I'll edit this and add material to it later .

Peace.
 

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It's hard to refute your points but I still think Hashirama is greater than the fourth. Minato was badass I can never deny that but his most powerful aspect was just speed, but in power and otherwise I'd say Hasirama was greater by far.
 
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It's hard to refute your points but I still think Hashirama is greater than the fourth. Minato was badass I can never deny that but his most powerful aspect was just speed, but in power and otherwise I'd say Hasirama was greater by far.
In raw power of course by what we've been shown Hashirama> Minato but in a practical 1 vs 1 fight there must have been factors such as time space manipulation and speed which caused Hiruzen and the others to make the statements i pointed out in the OP, making me believe that Minato>Hashirama.
 

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I liked this, only thing I think is moot is the fact that Minato had already been sealed by the reaper death god if I'm not mistaken, I don't think he was in the third coffin, another thing I wanna add is iruka could've been referring to the fact that his reign as hokage lasted longer than all others, but in terms of actually going 1 on 1, I think Minato would win.
 
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I liked this, only thing I think is moot is the fact that Minato had already been sealed by the reaper death god if I'm not mistaken, I don't think he was in the third coffin, another thing I wanna add is iruka could've been referring to the fact that his reign as hokage lasted longer than all others, but in terms of actually going 1 on 1, I think Minato would win.
He was in the third, I thought that Orochimaru was trying to rez Madara for awhile but some people pointed out the flaws in that. It was the 4th.
 
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I do think Minato was the strongest hokage. But we should remember that strength isn't just about jutsu and chakra. It's also about smarts. And Jiraiya stated that Minato was the most gifted shinobi he knew. But when it comes to power, Minato's rasengan pales compared to pretty much anything the first can throw at him

So, in my opinion:
Hashirama > Minato; in terms of chakra, jutsu strength and versatility (lots of different jutsu)

Minato > Hashirama; in terms of speed, jutsu efficiency and quick thinking
I say jutsu efficiency because although we have only seen threeof Minato's jutsu, he can use two of them in pretty much any situation. He can use FTG for both offense and defense, and in combination with the rasengan he can use hit-and-run tactics.

If the two were ever to fight each other without knowing anything about each other, I'm not sure who would win. But I do know that the battle will be short. Either Minato will win in the blink of an eye, or he will 'screw up' in the blink of an eye and be overwhelmed by mokuton.

Remember: they both fought off the kyubi. Although the first survived and the fourth didn't, you have to remember that Hashirama had his mokuton on his side. Minato had to do it with the three jutsu he made himself. I don't think Minato would have won against both Madara and the kyubi (due to Minato not having a kekkei genkai), but I do think that Minato's fight against the kyubi was finished a lot quicker than Hashirama's.

Also, when the kyubi attacked konoha, Hiruzen was about the same age as Jiraiya was when he fought Pein (I think). Jiraiya never complained about his age wearing him down, so I think the same could be said about the third. And still, the third waited for the fourth to deal with the kyubi. Maybe it was just because of his sealing techniques, but it has to count for something.

Just my two cents
 
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It was definitely the 4th in that third coffin and it wasn't Hiruzen that stopped Oro from ressurecting him. Because the 4th's soul was sealed in the death god Oro was not able to bring him back via ET thats why the coffin stopped it was a failed attempt.
 

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It was definitely the 4th in that third coffin and it wasn't Hiruzen that stopped Oro from ressurecting him. Because the 4th's soul was sealed in the death god Oro was not able to bring him back via ET thats why the coffin stopped it was a failed attempt.
thanx for pointing that out, I forgot that little tidbit
 

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After all the Minato bashing , i've decided to make a list of Minato's feats and statements about him, and give the reasons why in my opinion he was the strongest Hokage.

Minato Namikaze
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To begin with, many people seem to regard Hiruzen as the strongest based off Iruka's statement, calling him the ' strongest of all'. It was also said he mastered all the jutsu of the Leaf. Before i refute these points, let's see what else we know from the manga.
The 3rd admits he cannot defeat Oro, and Anko says she wishes the 4th was alive. Why..? Because the 3rd was the strongest Hokage..?
In the next page Hiruzen says the 4th is no longer here, we must rely on our own powers. By simple logical inference, this would imply that the 4th exceeded Hiruzen in ability.
This page probably caused confusion:

Notice that as soon as Iruka makes his statement, the 3rd scolds him by saying 'Iruka, don't use past tense'. Meaning that that statement of Iruka was applicable only in present tense, i.e at that time the 3rd was the strongest among the shinobi.
Then when Hiruzen talks about the importance of having someone precious to protect:
A close up of the 4th's statue is shown, with the words: just like you used to. It almost seems as if the 3rd was motivated by the 4th. Now, who has ever been motivated by someone weaker than them?
Then when fighting against Oro, despite knowing that Hashirama and Tobirama had just been summoned, he only decided to act at the 3rd coffin:

He says I must do something about the 3rd one. Why not the other 2? Should'nt he at least have attempted to do something to stop those 2 Edos, especially if as so many people assert, Hashirama>Minato?
But instead it seemed as if the 3rd coffin was all he feared, as if he could take the other 2. This is reinforced when an old Hiruzen manages to blow off Hashirama's leg during the fight. In the end, he uses a jutsu of the 4th to finish off the 2 Hokage Edos and Oro's arm.

Then much later on in the manga:
The Raikage says there was never a man that could surpass the 4th(mangareader), and that he was the Fastest shinobi alive(implied unequivocally).

Then, finally there were statements and flashbacks about Minato from both Jiraiya and Kakashi. J-man said words to the effect of everyone pales in comparison to him, and Kakashi after seeing Naruto in Bijjuu mode, in which he deflected 6 Tailed Beast Bombs at one time, is reminded of Minato:

He says se..sensei(possibly implying that Naruto in this mode has matched Minato's speed, i'm not sure if it means base or what).
Please note that Jiraiya was the 3rd's pupil, and yet he had amazing praise for the 4th.

That's all i have time for atm. I'll edit this and add material to it later .

Peace.
Minato is indeed stronger however I'm going to have to disagree with some of these points.

- Yes the 3rd admits defeat to Orochimaru and Anko wishes the 4th was here why? Easy answer the 3rd was old and retired. That is why he succeeded the hokage tilte to Minato. Hiruzen was way past his prime. This isn't sufficient evidence claiming Minato > Hiruzen Prime or Harishima. Obviously Minato > Old fart Hiruzen

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Notice that as soon as Iruka makes his statement, the 3rd scolds him by saying 'Iruka, don't use past tense'. Meaning that that statement of Iruka was applicable only in present tense, i.e at that time the 3rd was the strongest among the shinobi.
Iruka said "he was said to be the strongest of all" I believe Hiruzen was just implying not to flatter him because he is no longer strong enough to keep that title. Minato protected the village that is an obvious reason why there would be a close up on him. Not because he is the strongest.

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Then much later on in the manga:
The Raikage says there was never a man that could surpass the 4th(mangareader), and that he was the Fastest shinobi alive(implied unequivocally).

Then, finally there were statements and flashbacks about Minato from both Jiraiya and Kakashi. J-man said words to the effect of everyone pales in comparison to him, and Kakashi after seeing Naruto in Bijjuu mode, in which he deflected 6 Tailed Beast Bombs at one time, is reminded of Minato:

He says se..sensei(possibly implying that Naruto in this mode has matched Minato's speed, i'm not sure if it means base or what).
Please note that Jiraiya was the 3rd's pupil, and yet he had amazing praise for the 4th.
I'm pretty sure the Raikage was talking about in terms of speed. As well as Naruto just reminding Kakashi how fast Minato was.

Throughout the manga I think Kishi just put more emphasis on Minato strictly because he was Narutos dad not because he was the strongest hokage.
 

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Tsunade is consider Strong - Powerful Taijutsu Techniques. Minato is consider a genius. Comparing his skill next to the previous Hokage's is useless, because they all had skill that's unparalleled and whatnot. Also, they all had to sacrifice their lives to save the village.

If you still don't understand the difference from hype, being consider the skillful Hokage, or who sacrifice themselves better, than here:

Top Hokage
Minato's Hype < Hashirama's Hype

Skillful Hokage
Minato's Skill ? Hashirama's Skill

Hokage's Sacrifice
Minato's Sacrifice = Hashirama's Sacrifice​

It's the same for all the Hokage. Except, no one can beat Hashirama's hype at this point of time. You have your opinion and many others have theirs. You can't change that and no one isn't going change theirs. You just have to accept it the way it is.
 

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You've failed to explain the most important factor. Anko said she wished the 4th was alive because the 3rd was old abd past it. You've failed to talk about Hiruzen in his prime; that's when he was at his strongest. He said don't use past tense to Iruka because he wanted to believe he still had his mojo; when the truth is he knew he was past it.
 
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