[VS] Minato, 1st Hokage and 4th Raikage vs all tailed beasts

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You seem to disregard the 2 other kage. Mina to along can isolate the bijuu's. And, we understand hashis chakra limit, but wood god, Mouton dragon, Mouton arms, shinshuu, a ton of Mouton and rashoumon were all some of what we saw from part of his poon. Those jutsu alone are able to take on the summoning.

That takes care of maybe four bijuu? there are five others and even with that combination Hashirama probably cannot use so many S rank and SS rank jutsu within one short time period ; let alone simultaneously.

Minato is only useful for blocking Bijuudamas. He will get worn out after a third or fourth bijuudama is countered and will only get in the way.

9 tail is the most powerful one, and from there the progressively get weaker to the point where 9 tail can almost solo all below him.

Kurama cannot solo all below him. You have to remember that those bijuu where all under Obito's control ; and therefore where weakened without the freedom of their own decision making. They know their own powers better than Obito. There where only six aswell , Gyuki would probably be able to solo the first three bijuu, Kurama the first four if they had full control over their own powers.

That already means its basically a fight with 3 kurama. But we know Mina to is apt enough to take on kyuubi.

With the help of kushina to restrain him* Hashirama cannot restrain so many bijuu when he is alive.

For that matter, he removes kurama(the strongest) from the picture and makes hashi and raikage's job that much easier. 3rd drainage was able to solo 8 tail so Ay should be of some use. Right there we see the power of the bijuu significantly decreasing

The decrease in power is very gradual , and actually power is not based on tails ; that is the numerical value or amount of chakra the beast has. Kakashi has very little chakra but is stronger than Naruto in base even though Naruto's regular chakra is superior. The same principals apply. You still don't seem to understand 9 unique fighting styles is more difficult than a straightforward organised 1v1 after 1v1 relay type system. That just won't happen.

Ei will only get in the way.

Now add the fact that hashi is capable of turning tbb's back on the bijuu and you have a situation where he can cause severe damage with little effort( no Susao to protect them) and as we know, hachibi was already canonically injured by a tbb. Therefore, hashi can simply redirect a tbb

May be true ; but they probably won't use TBB till Minato is out of the picture which can be done with a certain degree of ease.
The TBB was used similarly to rasengan in how it was held and was not thrown. A bijuu won't normally stand directly in front of him like that if they know his power (which they all do).

which they now have to try to avoid. Add in the heavenly gates into the equation and you now have restrained beasts that can do absolutely nothing while Mina to takes out kurama

HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO EXPLAIN THAT A LIVING HASHIRAMA DOES NOT HAVE INFINITE CHAKRA AND THEREFORE CANNOT RESTRAIN ALL AT ONE TIME AND THEN STILL BE ABLE TO FIGHT! LET ALONE PERFORM THE TASK I FIRST MENTIONED!??!?!?!?!?!
Kurama=Minato in strength , he only sealed Kurama because of the chakra chains Kushina used.

in another spot, and Ay takes on the 8tail somewhere else leaving only 7 of the far weaker ones for has hi to put to sleep.and that's not taking into account the fact that Mina to would come help has Hiram a out after dealing with 9 tails, or could leave a boss toad with him while he takes out kurama.

Ei would be lucky to win against the weakest bijuu , he doesn't even compare to his father.

Hashirama cannot fight 7 at one time ; and as I have proven (if you could actually take in and evaluate and register what I am saying) he will be fighting all 9 at one time.

Conclusion:
Hashirama does not have an endless supply of chakra. He would easily be spent restricting half the bijuu because of the sheer scale of things. Ei is deadweight , Minato is almost deadweight , 9v1 , teamwork goes a long way and since the Bijuu are bloody telepathically linked it can easily be comparable to fighting the bijuu with rinnegan in their eye sockets. Which means they can coordinate every single move to the most intricate and advanced or minute detail almost perfectly and plan a way to counter anything Hashirama throws at them. This means if one Bijuu is in trouble there will be another to assist them. In fact 8 others.

Is it that hard to explain that Hashirama cannot restrict 9 bijuu? You make it sound easy. You treat him like he is on par with the Rikudo Sennin. Their sum of power combines to equal the Juubis. The partially complete (meaning not fully powered) Juubi is more than enough for Hashirama as he is having difficulty restraining it IN EDO FORM. Let alone defeating it which he simply cannot.

End of discussion :
Hashirama cannot restrict all Bijuu (this is the soul point of your argument) therefore meaning that the Bijuu's will win with Mid difficulty at highest.

 

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Jinchuuriki got this... But hey that's just me

 

[TheSages456]

That takes care of maybe four bijuu? there are five others and even with that combination Hashirama probably cannot use so many S rank and SS rank jutsu within one short time period ; let alone simultaneously.

hashirama drops a gate on every bijus neck. he has canonically used 11 at once. why cant he use 9 to restrain the biju? because of your fanboyism, right?

Minato is only useful for blocking Bijuudamas. He will get worn out after a third or fourth bijuudama is countered and will only get in the way.

and where are you getting this ridiculous assumption? he teleported the kyuubis bijudama without any sign of strain or fatigue. exaggerating the effects of fatigue and jutsu use like you are doing is straight nonsense.

Kurama cannot solo all below him. You have to remember that those bijuu where all under Obito's control ; and therefore where weakened without the freedom of their own decision making. They know their own powers better than Obito. There where only six aswell , Gyuki would probably be able to solo the first three bijuu, Kurama the first four if they had full control over their own powers.

the strongest attack that the bijus were capable of mustering was countered. period. being controlled or not is irrelevant. their best offensive moves were countered by kurama and gyuki.

With the help of kushina to restrain him* Hashirama cannot restrain so many bijuu when he is alive.

he drops 9 gates. each of the 9 gates slam down on a bijus neck. this isnt hard to understand.

The decrease in power is very gradual , and actually power is not based on tails ; that is the numerical value or amount of chakra the beast has. Kakashi has very little chakra but is stronger than Naruto in base even though Naruto's regular chakra is superior. The same principals apply. You still don't seem to understand 9 unique fighting styles is more difficult than a straightforward organised 1v1 after 1v1 relay type system. That just won't happen.

what unique fighting styles? a bijus offense consists of trucking the opponent or attempting to nuke them.

Ei will only get in the way.

he canonically mutilated the hachibi and has experience fighting it.

May be true ; but they probably won't use TBB till Minato is out of the picture which can be done with a certain degree of ease.
The TBB was used similarly to rasengan in how it was held and was not thrown. A bijuu won't normally stand directly in front of him like that if they know his power (which they all do).

they cant use tbb is a gate is slammed down on their neck.

HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO EXPLAIN THAT A LIVING HASHIRAMA DOES NOT HAVE INFINITE CHAKRA AND THEREFORE CANNOT RESTRAIN ALL AT ONE TIME AND THEN STILL BE ABLE TO FIGHT! LET ALONE PERFORM THE TASK I FIRST MENTIONED!??!?!?!?!?!

so, hashirama cant use his Sage Art: Gracious Deity Gates, just because you dont want him to? hashirama uses the gates that he already canonically used, and each gate slams into a bijus neck, restraining it and preventing any bijudama from being launched in the first place.

Kurama=Minato in strength , he only sealed Kurama because of the chakra chains Kushina used.

so what? if any bijudama is used(which there wont be), minato warps it back at kurama, stunning or incapaciting him.

Ei would be lucky to win against the weakest bijuu , he doesn't even compare to his father

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so what? he mutilated the gyuki so he obviously isnt helpless against biju.

Hashirama cannot fight 7 at one time ; and as I have proven (if you could actually take in and evaluate and register what I am saying) he will be fighting all 9 at one time.

hashirama drops 9 gates. each gate restrains a biju. whats so hard to understand?

Conclusion:
Hashirama does not have an endless supply of chakra. He would easily be spent restricting half the bijuu because of the sheer scale of things. Ei is deadweight , Minato is almost deadweight , 9v1 , teamwork goes a long way and since the Bijuu are bloody telepathically linked it can easily be comparable to fighting the bijuu with rinnegan in their eye sockets. Which means they can coordinate every single move to the most intricate and advanced or minute detail almost perfectly and plan a way to counter anything Hashirama throws at them. This means if one Bijuu is in trouble there will be another to assist them. In fact 8 others.

^refer to the above. all the biju get a gate slammed on their neck. hashirama has no trouble fighting on a bijus scale. i dont know where you are getting this nonsense from.

Is it that hard to explain that Hashirama cannot restrict 9 bijuu? You make it sound easy. You treat him like he is on par with the Rikudo Sennin. Their sum of power combines to equal the Juubis. The partially complete (meaning not fully powered) Juubi is more than enough for Hashirama as he is having difficulty restraining it IN EDO FORM. Let alone defeating it which he simply cannot.

hashirama doesnt need to be rikudo sennin. the tailed beasts arent combined and none of them are comparable to the juubi.
there is a big difference between fighting 9 biju and the juubi.

End of discussion :
Hashirama cannot restrict all Bijuu (this is the soul point of your argument) therefore meaning that the Bijuu's will win with Mid difficulty at highest.

they wouldnt even be able to move much less fire off bijudamas with a gate slammed on their neck.

 

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]I feel like I'm the only one who remembers that hashi had ALL tailed beasts under his control at one point. [/B]
Hashi already canonically put an empowered kyuubi to sleep, and kyuubi at 50% already canonically matched the other failed beasts. Adding Mina to warp all tbb's is just over kill.

PS ytf did you add 4th drainage? Wth is he supposed to do? He didn't even 1v1 a tailed beast like his father did.

Maybe because that had never happened?

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Hashi uses 2 or more clones, Minato teleports them around the Bijuu
and then they Hashi & his clones + Minato use the barrier, and the Bijuu stomp themselves.

 

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All Bijuu Dama are caught.
Any bigger Bijuu Dama is ported via Space Time Barrier.

by what? kuramas biggest one (not the rapid fire one) had to be ported and at the end of the day, its not spammable by minato. bee is able to use bijuudamas that cant be caught and explode close range

^refer to the above. all the biju get a gate slammed on their neck. hashirama has no trouble fighting on a bijus scale. i dont know where you are getting this nonsense from.

gates are only meant to temporarily restrain them. 6 tails melts mokuton off of him as does 4 tails. shukaku uses sand to protect him. how to restrain a being able to use sand waves on gaara's level

Now add the fact that hashi is capable of turning tbb's back on the bijuu

he cant turn back chakra roar or lava river or acid mist

Range of powers don't matter nor does your previous post.
Mokuton gates restrain.
Wood god puts to sleep.
Wood dragon restrains and drains chakra.

6 tails acid melts. goku's lava melts. shukaku's sand ocean can protect everyone and encase them in sand armour. mokuton gates didnt work last time hashirama clashed vs kurama and got a bloodied face

I feel like I'm the only one who remembers that hashi had ALL tailed beasts under his control at one point.

....because he didnt? nothing canonically established this. meaning you LITERALLY just made that up

Madara isn't here this time to susano'o coat for protection

sand armour is

Now add the fact that hashi is capable of turning tbb's back on the bijuu and you have a situation where he can cause severe damage with little effort( no Susao to protect them) and as we know, hachibi was already canonically injured by a tbb.

only injured because he was already exhausted. you think they cant just chakra roar away their own attack?

hey pretty much have nothing on hashi. Firepower doesnt count when youre up against someone who restrains that specific kind of power.

they have everything on him. 6 tails has means to melt the mokuton as does 4 tails. shukaku can protect himself. kurama was hard enough for hashirama and hashirama even commented kuramas too great in power for hashi to handle alone

I could argue hashi solos, his entire moveset counters the bijuus, TBBs are doing nothing with the golems and dragons to stop them and fire them back,

hashirama found it difficult enough 1 vs 1 with kurama that he lost an eye, got bloodied and had to have his wife seal him

9 tail is the most powerful one, and from there the progressively get weaker to the point where 9 tail can almost solo all below him.

they dont get progessively weaker. its possible 2 tails is equal to 7 tails

ut Hashi was the one who had all Bijuus earlier and he distributed them among all Hidden Villages.... Hashirama controlled all Bijuus..

no he didnt. you made that bullshit up out of your ass. nothing in the manga ever established this, not even once.

hashirama slams gates on their neck that easily restrained the juubi. hashirama walks down the line with mokujin giving each biju a pat on the head.

hashirama lost an eye and had blood gushing down his face vs just kurama and had to have his wife seal it

 

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The bijuus win. They can talk to each other telepatically which means perfect teamwork.

 

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That takes care of maybe four bijuu? there are five others and even with that combination Hashirama probably cannot use so many S rank and SS rank jutsu within one short time period ; let alone simultaneously.

Minato is only useful for blocking Bijuudamas. He will get worn out after a third or fourth bijuudama is countered and will only get in the way.

Kurama cannot solo all below him. You have to remember that those bijuu where all under Obito's control ; and therefore where weakened without the freedom of their own decision making. They know their own powers better than Obito. There where only six aswell , Gyuki would probably be able to solo the first three bijuu, Kurama the first four if they had full control over their own powers.


With the help of kushina to restrain him* Hashirama cannot restrain so many bijuu when he is alive.

The decrease in power is very gradual , and actually power is not based on tails ; that is the numerical value or amount of chakra the beast has. Kakashi has very little chakra but is stronger than Naruto in base even though Naruto's regular chakra is superior. The same principals apply. You still don't seem to understand 9 unique fighting styles is more difficult than a straightforward organised 1v1 after 1v1 relay type system. That just won't happen.

Ei will only get in the way.

May be true ; but they probably won't use TBB till Minato is out of the picture which can be done with a certain degree of ease.
The TBB was used similarly to rasengan in how it was held and was not thrown. A bijuu won't normally stand directly in front of him like that if they know his power (which they all do).

HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO EXPLAIN THAT A LIVING HASHIRAMA DOES NOT HAVE INFINITE CHAKRA AND THEREFORE CANNOT RESTRAIN ALL AT ONE TIME AND THEN STILL BE ABLE TO FIGHT! LET ALONE PERFORM THE TASK I FIRST MENTIONED!??!?!?!?!?!
Kurama=Minato in strength , he only sealed Kurama because of the chakra chains Kushina used.

Ei would be lucky to win against the weakest bijuu , he doesn't even compare to his father.

Hashirama cannot fight 7 at one time ; and as I have proven (if you could actually take in and evaluate and register what I am saying) he will be fighting all 9 at one time.

Conclusion:
Hashirama does not have an endless supply of chakra. He would easily be spent restricting half the bijuu because of the sheer scale of things. Ei is deadweight , Minato is almost deadweight , 9v1 , teamwork goes a long way and since the Bijuu are bloody telepathically linked it can easily be comparable to fighting the bijuu with rinnegan in their eye sockets. Which means they can coordinate every single move to the most intricate and advanced or minute detail almost perfectly and plan a way to counter anything Hashirama throws at them. This means if one Bijuu is in trouble there will be another to assist them. In fact 8 others.

Is it that hard to explain that Hashirama cannot restrict 9 bijuu? You make it sound easy. You treat him like he is on par with the Rikudo Sennin. Their sum of power combines to equal the Juubis. The partially complete (meaning not fully powered) Juubi is more than enough for Hashirama as he is having difficulty restraining it IN EDO FORM. Let alone defeating it which he simply cannot.

End of discussion :
Hashirama cannot restrict all Bijuu (this is the soul point of your argument) therefore meaning that the Bijuu's will win with Mid difficulty at highest.

Wtf do you jeep spouting nonsense about chakra for. Has hi used ALL of those skills and more I mentioned in 1 fight with madara. He only needs to open sm and drop gates. He can summon a statue 3x the size of kyuubi but he can't drop 9 gates? Because you say his chakra is somehow limited to 1 Mouton tree or some deluded fantasy? Plz... Shin shu just pucks them up one by one for wood god to put them to sleep.

BTW, Mina to doesn't need kushina to restrain kyuubi for him to beat it. That's just retarded. Was kushina there when he first had gamabunta on kura ma's throat? No.

 

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by what? kuramas biggest one (not the rapid fire one) had to be ported and at the end of the day, its not spammable by minato. bee is able to use bijuudamas that cant be caught and explode close range

says who? you arent an authority to determine this. any bijudama bee uses is caught, but its not like he will be using it with a gate on his neck.

gates are only meant to temporarily restrain them. 6 tails melts mokuton off of him as does 4 tails. shukaku uses sand to protect him. how to restrain a being able to use sand waves on gaara's level

the gates are bigger than the juubis head which is around the same size of a biju. they would get restrained completely and there will be nothing that they can do about it.
the gates tanked the explosion of the juubis bijudama. the 6 tails isnt doing shit here, neither is the 4 tails.

he cant turn back chakra roar or lava river or acid mist

and how are they doing this with a gate slammed on their neck. its not like those moves are on the scale to take out even base hashiramas village level mokuton constructs.

6 tails acid melts. goku's lava melts. shukaku's sand ocean can protect everyone and encase them in sand armour. mokuton gates didnt work last time hashirama clashed vs kurama and got a bloodied face

until shukaku shows what you're saying, that is fanfiction. how does hashirama clashing with kurama later matter. he beat madara with the kyuubi who had fused their powers.

....because he didnt? nothing canonically established this. meaning you LITERALLY just made that up

hashirama had a few of the bijus. either way, kishi already established that hashirama has superiority over them.

sand armour is

im not sure where you are getting this nonsense from. show scans of shukaku covering other entities in sand. shukaku is just a biju with a sand body, he isnt gaara.

only injured because he was already exhausted. you think they cant just chakra roar away their own attack?

speculation. nobody has time to deal with that rubbish. no, bijus cant use a weaker attack to dispel a stronger attack.

they have everything on him. 6 tails has means to melt the mokuton as does 4 tails. shukaku can protect himself. kurama was hard enough for hashirama and hashirama even commented kuramas too great in power for hashi to handle alone

pretty sure that some acid isnt on the scale to destroy hashiramas mokuton if kakashi and gai were easily outpacing it.

hashirama found it difficult enough 1 vs 1 with kurama that he lost an eye, got bloodied and had to have his wife seal him

hashirama>susano fused with kurama.
hashirama>>>kurama.

they dont get progessively weaker. its possible 2 tails is equal to 7 tails

doesnt really matter as a gate will be slammed on their necks from the start of the battle.
no he didnt. you made that bullshit up out of your ass. nothing in the manga ever established this, not even once.

he had a few of them. his superiority over them was already established by kishi.

hashirama lost an eye and had blood gushing down his face vs just kurama and had to have his wife seal it

hashirama>PS/kurama
hashirama>>>kurama

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

hashirama drops a gate on every bijus neck. he has canonically used 11 at once. why cant he use 9 to restrain the biju? because of your fanboyism, right?


and where are you getting this ridiculous assumption? he teleported the kyuubis bijudama without any sign of strain or fatigue. exaggerating the effects of fatigue and jutsu use like you are doing is straight nonsense.

the strongest attack that the bijus were capable of mustering was countered. period. being controlled or not is irrelevant. their best offensive moves were countered by kurama and gyuki.


he drops 9 gates. each of the 9 gates slam down on a bijus neck. this isnt hard to understand.

what unique fighting styles? a bijus offense consists of trucking the opponent or attempting to nuke them.

he canonically mutilated the hachibi and has experience fighting it.

they cant use tbb is a gate is slammed down on their neck.

so, hashirama cant use his Sage Art: Gracious Deity Gates, just because you dont want him to? hashirama uses the gates that he already canonically used, and each gate slams into a bijus neck, restraining it and preventing any bijudama from being launched in the first place.

so what? if any bijudama is used(which there wont be), minato warps it back at kurama, stunning or incapaciting him.
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so what? he mutilated the gyuki so he obviously isnt helpless against biju.

hashirama drops 9 gates. each gate restrains a biju. whats so hard to understand?

^refer to the above. all the biju get a gate slammed on their neck. hashirama has no trouble fighting on a bijus scale. i dont know where you are getting this nonsense from.

hashirama doesnt need to be rikudo sennin. the tailed beasts arent combined and none of them are comparable to the juubi.
there is a big difference between fighting 9 biju and the juubi.

they wouldnt even be able to move much less fire off bijudamas with a gate slammed on their neck.

A bijuu could use their tails or in fact the rest of their body to break free. Thus they need all tails and limbs restrained too , simple logic. Because Hashirama is not an Edo tensei summon when he is alive his limit to his chakra restricts him to maybe two or three bijuu being restricted. If he's lucky.

The juubi was split into 9 parts which when combined will equal its power. If you divide a circle into 9ths you lose no mass/area within the circle when all 9ths come together. , the same applies here in terms of power. Simple logic.
This point is also further proven when it is stated by Obito and Kurama.

A bijuu can use a bijuudama as long as they can open their mouth. Simple logic.

I'm not the fanboy here. You are simply too brainwashed by Kishimoto's sudden boom in Hashiramas power. However this does not make him invincible.

I will simply conclude that it is just impossible to debate with these people as they are not open minded enough to see a different opinion to their own or understand where we are coming from...

(By the way I have already established multiple times that Hashi cannot restrain all 9 at once , team work > singularity , the diversity in the bijuu's powers make them impossible to fight, they're telepathically connected. Hashi cannot perform all of his overpowered jutsu at one time. The most we have seen is two seperate jutsu at one time. And you still persist in thinking Hashirama could wipe the bijuu out with all of his OP jutsu at one time... This is the epitome of idocy)

im not sure where you are getting this nonsense from. show scans of shukaku covering other entities in sand. shukaku is just a biju with a sand body, he isnt gaara.

However Shukaku fought for Gaara. And used his own jutsu ; how else would the sand be "automatic" pre time skip?
farewell...

 

[TheSages456]

A bijuu could use their tails or in fact the rest of their body to break free. Thus they need all tails and limbs restrained too , simple logic. Because Hashirama is not an Edo tensei summon when he is alive his limit to his chakra restricts him to maybe two or three bijuu being restricted. If he's lucky.

their tails arent doing anything to the gates that tanked the juubis bijudama without faltering or even budging an inch.

The juubi was split into 9 parts which when combined will equal its power. If you divide a circle into 9ths you lose no mass/area within the circle when all 9ths come together. , the same applies here in terms of power. Simple logic.
This point is also further proven when it is stated by Obito and Kurama.

the power of the bijus dont combine just by being close to each other unless you are talking about a combined bijudama which wont work if they have gates on their neck.

A bijuu can use a bijuudama as long as they can open their mouth. Simple logic.

the juubi disagrees.

I'm not the fanboy here. You are simply too brainwashed by Kishimoto's sudden boom in Hashiramas power. However this does not make him invincible.

no, you're an insecure hater who insists that hashirama gets stomped by the biju he canonically kept as pets.

I will simply conclude that it is just impossible to debate with these people as they are not open minded enough to see a different opinion to their own or understand where we are coming from...

you're posts only involve inflated claims about the bijus power and acting like they are the juubi which they arent.

(By the way I have already established multiple times that Hashi cannot restrain all 9 at once , team work > singularity , the diversity in the bijuu's powers make them impossible to fight, they're telepathically connected. Hashi cannot perform all of his overpowered jutsu at one time. The most we have seen is two seperate jutsu at one time. And you still persist in thinking Hashirama could wipe the bijuu out with all of his OP jutsu at one time... This is the epitome of idocy)

hashirama uses 9 gates. each gate goes on a bijus neck. whats so hard to understand.

However Shukaku fought for Gaara. And used his own jutsu ; how else would the sand be "automatic" pre time skip?
farewell...

the source of gaaras sand protecting him has always been his mother love.

 

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their tails arent doing anything to the gates that tanked the juubis bijudama without faltering or even budging an inch.

the tails could be used to lift the gates or pull them out of the ground? Nope, I guess you cannot think of things as simple as that.

the power of the bijus dont combine just by being close to each other unless you are talking about a combined bijudama which wont work if they have gates on their neck.

Where did I say they did? I said that the power distributed between the 9 will equal in sum to the juubi. And guess what? Juubi>Hashirama!

the juubi disagrees.

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no, you're an insecure hater who insists that hashirama gets stomped by the biju he canonically kept as pets.

Funny thing is I like Hashirama as a character ; I just don't ride his c*ck.

you're posts only involve inflated claims about the bijus power and acting like they are the juubi which they arent.

Your posts involve inflation of Hashiramas power. You also believe he has unlimited chakra and can simply use every jutsu in his arsenal at one point. Considering how large scale they are it's impossible to perform three or four , let alone everything else.

hashirama uses 9 gates. each gate goes on a bijus neck. whats so hard to understand.

A bijuu could use their tails to lift the gates out of the ground via pulling/lifting similarly to a caterpault. Or they can use their forelimbs. And some have an ability which could damage the gates. Lava.Corrosive stuff. And sand which could be used to catch the gate before it is fully latched onto Shukaku's neck.

the source of gaaras sand protecting him has always been his mother love.

The Shukaku inside him manipulates the sand. His mothers love protects him.

 

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Tailed beasts win.

 

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the tails could be used to lift the gates or pull them out of the ground? Nope, I guess you cannot think of things as simple as that.

Where did I say they did? I said that the power distributed between the 9 will equal in sum to the juubi. And guess what? Juubi>Hashirama!

Agrees*

Funny thing is I like Hashirama as a character ; I just don't ride his c*ck.

Your posts involve inflation of Hashiramas power. You also believe he has unlimited chakra and can simply use every jutsu in his arsenal at one point. Considering how large scale they are it's impossible to perform three or four , let alone everything else.

A bijuu could use their tails to lift the gates out of the ground via pulling/lifting similarly to a caterpault.

The Shukaku inside him manipulates the sand. His mothers love protects him.

Tailed Beasts > Juubi. That's all I'm Seeing here. Weird considering first stage juubi(weakest) did

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to a TBB. Hashi's gate's were strong enough to restrain Level 3 juubi which is bigger and stronger than that one, but it can't restrain some tailed beasts? Lol...

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Juubi couldn't break 1. This all from a hashi who isn't full power - edo's aren't able to do more than what they were capable of when they were alive.


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All of this happened during 1 fight. All of this happened on a bijuu scale. And, All of this was from part of the entire fight; we never got to see the start or some skipped bits of the fight. Where you got that hashirama can only use 3 or 4 is this jutsu is beyond me. Kyuubi only lasted all this because susano'o is extremely durable (took shinshuu to take it out) and has a sword which helped protect the kyuubi.

hashirama lost an eye and had blood gushing down his face vs just kurama and had to have his wife seal it

Can I get a scan of this please.

 

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Hashirama and Minato wins without the Raikage.Any incoming tbb that is coming at Hashirama from any direction gets warped, also Hashirama can make more than one Wood golem and Wood dragon which can easily restrain every tail beast on the field.

If the ten tails is included then Hashirama will have to use his wood clones to trap it.

 

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the tails could be used to lift the gates or pull them out of the ground? Nope, I guess you cannot think of things as simple as that.

so the tails of the biju, which dont have the strength feats to do things that the biju do with its main body, rips out a gate which is the size of the biju? mind you, this is discounting the fact that the juubi cannot break these gates and these gates tanked a juubidama without faltering and the juubis bijudama is power beyond the physical strength of any biju.

Where did I say they did? I said that the power distributed between the 9 will equal in sum to the juubi. And guess what? Juubi>Hashirama!

if you arent talking about a combined bijudama between all of the biju then you have no argument since the bijus cant reproduce juubi level power unless they all use a combined tbb or combine to form the actual juubi.

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no it doesnt, unless you have a scan of it using bijudama after hashirama slammed a gate on its neck.

Funny thing is I like Hashirama as a character ; I just don't ride his c*ck.

you are plain underrating him.

Your posts involve inflation of Hashiramas power. You also believe he has unlimited chakra and can simply use every jutsu in his arsenal at one point. Considering how large scale they are it's impossible to perform three or four , let alone everything else.

hashirama easily used shinsuusenju, mokujin and mokuryu all at the same time at VOTE. you dont need unlimited chakra to use more than one jutsu at a time, so what are you even saying?

A bijuu could use their tails to lift the gates out of the ground via pulling/lifting similarly to a caterpault. Or they can use their forelimbs. And some have an ability which could damage the gates. Lava.Corrosive stuff. And sand which could be used to catch the gate before it is fully latched onto Shukaku's neck.

a power greater than anything the bijus can muster with physical strength(juubidama) failed to make the gates falter or budge and inch.
any attack which involves a bijudama or any other ability that biju need their mouth to use is useless if they have a gate on their neck.

The Shukaku inside him manipulates the sand. His mothers love protects him.

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please, keep disagreeing with the manga like your opinion means anything.

 

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so the tails of the biju, which dont have the strength feats to do things that the biju do with its main body, rips out a gate which is the size of the biju? mind you, this is discounting the fact that the juubi cannot break these gates and these gates tanked a juubidama without faltering and the juubis bijudama is power beyond the physical strength of any biju.

He performed that in edo tensei state. Every time we have seen a gate from a living being they have been just about wide enough to fit around Kuram's tail. and only just.

if you arent talking about a combined bijudama between all of the biju then you have no argument since the bijus cant reproduce juubi level power unless they all use a combined tbb or combine to form the actual juubi.

I thought it wasn't hard to understand that the 9 of them teaming up or fighting on one side provides the same amount of power. I mentioned nothing of bijuudama etc. and if they can match it's bijuudama doesn't that mean they have the same combined power? You just proved me correct.

On top of that 9 different attacks at one time is a lot harder to counter than one attack. Team work beats going solo and you should know this since you see it happen all the time in Naruto.

no it doesnt, unless you have a scan of it using bijudama after hashirama slammed a gate on its neck.

Prove to me that hashirama>Juubi then I will admit Hashirama wins , until then he cannot possibly (for the argument above)

you are plain underrating him.

He's my #1 on the top 10 strongest characters list , how is that underestimation?

hashirama easily used shinsuusenju, mokujin and mokuryu all at the same time at VOTE. you dont need unlimited chakra to use more than one jutsu at a time, so what are you even saying?

Allow me to correct you. He performed two of those at one time , shinsuusenju and mokujin. and mokujin with mokuryu. He cannot use 9 bijuu power leveled jutsu at one time like you claim , unless he can he will lose. But that is pretty much a ridiculous estimation to believe a non edo hashirama can use 9 of his best jutsu at one time.

a power greater than anything the bijus can muster with physical strength(juubidama) failed to make the gates falter or budge and inch.
any attack which involves a bijudama or any other ability that biju need their mouth to use is useless if they have a gate on their neck.

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please, keep disagreeing with the manga like your opinion means anything.

I'm using logic , you're using false claims like how he can supposedly use 9 bijuu level jutsu at one time... he has three from what we have seen. Shinsuusenju=Kurama or Gyuki

wood dragon=son goku,isobu,chomei

wood god= the rest

(each bijuu would be fighting that jutsu individually and turn out equal)

Have you never caterpaulted anything before?
Kurama (or any other bijuu) could do this (tails forward and under a gate):

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And hoist these supposedly DBZ level gates (which are only a temporary restraint system which doesn't even last very long , one minute if he's lucky) like you claim.

A bijuu needs all limbs and tails and their neck restrained to become powerless. And how come hashirama didn't use the gates on Kurama when he fought Madara? Oh right... prep time and requirement for a seal.

 

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He performed that in edo tensei state. Every time we have seen a gate from a living being they have been just about wide enough to fit around Kuram's tail. and only just.

so what if hashirama only used it as an edo. how is this relevant?

I thought it wasn't hard to understand that the 9 of them teaming up or fighting on one side provides the same amount of power. I mentioned nothing of bijuudama etc. and if they can match it's bijuudama doesn't that mean they have the same combined power? You just proved me correct.

a combined bijudama through all the biju is the only way they can theoretically, reach juubi level firepower. if they arent doing this, they arent on the juubis level. period.

On top of that 9 different attacks at one time is a lot harder to counter than one attack. Team work beats going solo and you should know this since you see it happen all the time in Naruto.

9 gates=9 necks. a relatively simple equation.

Prove to me that hashirama>Juubi then I will admit Hashirama wins , until then he cannot possibly (for the argument above)

when did i say hashirama>juubi? show me a scan of the juubi using bijudama after hashirama slammed a gate on its neck.

He's my #1 on the top 10 strongest characters list , how is that underestimation?

if you think that he cant defeat some biju, then there is something wrong with you.

Allow me to correct you. He performed two of those at one time , shinsuusenju and mokujin. and mokujin with mokuryu. He cannot use 9 bijuu power leveled jutsu at one time like you claim , unless he can he will lose. But that is pretty much a ridiculous estimation to believe a non edo hashirama can use 9 of his best jutsu at one time.

what are you talking about? shinsuusenju, mokujin and mokuryu were summoned simultaneously and used simultaneously.

I'm using logic , you're using false claims like how he can supposedly use 9 bijuu level jutsu at one time... he has three from what we have seen. Shinsuusenju=Kurama or Gyuki

wood dragon=son goku,isobu,chomei

wood god= the rest

(each bijuu would be fighting that jutsu individually and turn out equal)

hashirama doesnt need to use 9 jutsus when he has one jutsu capable of dropping gates on all of the bijus.

Have you never caterpaulted anything before?
Kurama (or any other bijuu) could do this (tails forward and under a gate):

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And hoist these supposedly DBZ level gates (which are only a temporary restraint system which doesn't even last very long , one minute if he's lucky) like you claim.

where are you getting this nonsense from? the gates are beyond anything that the bijus can move with their strength. they can pin down the juubi, a juubidama cannot make them falter or blow them away. juubidama>>>>>>>anything a biju can do.

A bijuu needs all limbs and tails and their neck restrained to become powerless. And how come hashirama didn't use the gates on Kurama when he fought Madara? Oh right... prep time and requirement for a seal.

not when a gate is basically the size of the biju itself. hashirama didnt use gates on kurama because PS/kyuubi has firepower beyond anything that hashirama can do without shinsuusenju.

 

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so what if hashirama only used it as an edo. how is this relevant?

Unlimited chakra and enhanced strength. derp.

a combined bijudama through all the biju is the only way they can theoretically, reach juubi level firepower. if they arent doing this, they arent on the juubis level. period.

Fool. I just said when they work together they will equal the juubi as they can act as one due to their psychic/telepathic links between themselves.

9 gates=9 necks. a relatively simple equation.

And a gate is temporary and very short standing. Also a bijuu is only restrained by all tails,necks and limbs. That equates to 81 gates. He cannot restrain them all. Maybe one or two for short time periods.

when did i say hashirama>juubi? show me a scan of the juubi using bijudama after hashirama slammed a gate on its neck.

Learn to read. I said Hashirama has to be stronger than the juubi to win this. And since you know Hashirama is weaker your argument is technically invalid.

if you think that he cant defeat some biju, then there is something wrong with you.

He is #1 on my strongest character list. Of course he can , stop jumping to conclusions so quickly even when your judgement is incorrect.

what are you talking about? shinsuusenju, mokujin and mokuryu were summoned simultaneously and used simultaneously.

But there weren't three of each. Therefore he cannot fight 9 at one time. You honestly think they're going to wait and do it 1v1? LOL NOPE.

hashirama doesnt need to use 9 jutsus when he has one jutsu capable of dropping gates on all of the bijus.

They have to be restrained by their tails +5 , not a singular gate. They are only temporary and since Minato and Ei are out of the equation it'll be difficult to seal a restrained bijuu with 8 others attacking.

where are you getting this nonsense from? the gates are beyond anything that the bijus can move with their strength. they can pin down the juubi, a juubidama cannot make them falter or blow them away. juubidama>>>>>>>anything a biju can do.

They don't destroy the gates. Lifting them is different. The juubi was restrained by 15 gates. So he couldnt move. You lie down in the garden and put a croquet ring(whatever they're called) over your neck. What you gonna do? Lift it , not destroy it because it is not within human power to destroy a croquet ring without hurting themselves. Now you could pull it out of the ground right? But if you had all four limbs and your neck restrained by very well routed croquet rings you won't be able to move. Hence my logic is correct. Because if they left one arm free or a leg free you could un-restrain yourself. That is why Shukaku needs 6 gates etc. all the way up to the juubi needing 15.

fail.

not when a gate is basically the size of the biju itself. hashirama didnt use gates on kurama because PS/kyuubi has firepower beyond anything that hashirama can do without shinsuusenju.

Incorrect. It's because they require a bit of prep time which again'st kurama or madara (even individually) you would not have. Their destructive power was not powerful enough to destroy a gate. So your reasoning is invalid.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND I HAVE NOT SAID ANY WOULD BE CAPABLE OF DESTROYING GATES. THEY CAN BREAK FREE BY LIFTING A GATE IF THEY HAVE ANY LIMBS OR TAILS FREE. WHY WOULD A BIJUU HAVE TO 100% OF WHAT WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR: BE RESTRAINED IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY BY THESE GATES? BECAUSE OTHERWISE A BIJUU CAN BREAK FREE. SIMPLE LOGIC A FIVE YEAR OLD COULD UNDERSTAND.

Good day sir. May I pray for you in hope that one day you will learn how to read correctly without a single misunderstanding.

 

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Unlimited chakra and enhanced strength. derp.

he doesnt need to have unlimited chakra to use 1 jutsu. where did you get enhanced strength from?

Fool. I just said when they work together they will equal the juubi as they can act as one due to their psychic/telepathic links between themselves.

communicating with each other telepathically doesnt increase their individual strength.

And a gate is temporary and very short standing. Also a bijuu is only restrained by all tails,necks and limbs. That equates to 81 gates. He cannot restrain them all. Maybe one or two for short time periods.

the gates themselves are biju sized.
where are you getting that the gates are temporary?

Learn to read. I said Hashirama has to be stronger than the juubi to win this. And since you know Hashirama is weaker your argument is technically invalid.

the bijus arent as strong as the juubi.

He is #1 on my strongest character list. Of course he can , stop jumping to conclusions so quickly even when your judgement is incorrect.

you are basically saying that he cant handle the biju despite him already doing so and canonically restraining an entity that greater than any of the bijus.

But there weren't three of each. Therefore he cannot fight 9 at one time. You honestly think they're going to wait and do it 1v1? LOL NOPE.

why does it have to be 1 on 1?
if hashirama needs shinsuusenju(which he wont) it could use 9 out of its thousand hands to pick up all of the biju then the mokujin goes down and puts all of them to sleep.

They have to be restrained by their tails +5 , not a singular gate. They are only temporary and since Minato and Ei are out of the equation it'll be difficult to seal a restrained bijuu with 8 others attacking.

no hashirama doesnt need to restrain their tails. hashirama merely replicates this:

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only 1 gate was necessary to canonically restrain kurama. inb4 you bring up kcm naruto sealing kurama back. naruto merely used a new seal of kurama so all the gates dropping on him were part of the new sealing formula. in hashiramas case, his gates are many times bigger. it would crush the bijus neck along with its mid section.

They don't destroy the gates. Lifting them is different. The juubi was restrained by 15 gates. So he couldnt move. You lie down in the garden and put a croquet ring(whatever they're called) over your neck. What you gonna do? Lift it , not destroy it because it is not within human power to destroy a croquet ring without hurting themselves. Now you could pull it out of the ground right? But if you had all four limbs and your neck restrained by very well routed croquet rings you won't be able to move. Hence my logic is correct. Because if they left one arm free or a leg free you could un-restrain yourself. That is why Shukaku needs 6 gates etc. all the way up to the juubi needing 15.

fail.

no, the gates took a city buster without budging an inch. if that cant even move the gates, the bijus strength is doing nothing. the juubis arms and legs arent restrained. why isnt it pulling hashiramas gates off of itself?

Incorrect. It's because they require a bit of prep time which again'st kurama or madara (even individually) you would not have. Their destructive power was not powerful enough to destroy a gate. So your reasoning is invalid.

hashirama did it instantly in the manga. all im seeing is speculation. absolutely worthless.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND I HAVE NOT SAID ANY WOULD BE CAPABLE OF DESTROYING GATES. THEY CAN BREAK FREE BY LIFTING A GATE IF THEY HAVE ANY LIMBS OR TAILS FREE. WHY WOULD A BIJUU HAVE TO 100% OF WHAT WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR: BE RESTRAINED IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY BY THESE GATES? BECAUSE OTHERWISE A BIJUU CAN BREAK FREE. SIMPLE LOGIC A FIVE YEAR OLD COULD UNDERSTAND.

naruto only used 1 gate to restrain kurama. hashiramas gates are many times bigger than narutos. the juubis arms and legs arent restrained. why isnt it pulling hashiramas gates off?

Good day sir. May I pray for you in hope that one day you will learn how to read correctly without a single misunderstanding.

my logic isnt the problem. you are simply giving biju strength feats that they dont have.

 

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Lord Kurama solos.