[VS] Minato, 1st Hokage and 4th Raikage vs all tailed beasts
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The Tailed Beast Easily Win.
How can you even Argue that Hashirama solo's.LMAO
This is seriously laughable.
1. Hashirama NEVER had all the Bijuu under his control. He was said to have some under his control but not all.
2. Hashirama struggled to defeat The Kyuubi by himself. So its extrememly laughable when Hashirama fanboys's believe that he can solo all the tailed beats even if he does have help from Minato.
3. Hashirama needs to enter sage mode in order to activate the Gate of the Great God. And to enter sage mode Hashirama has o be still for a short while, if hashirama stays still against 9 Bijuu he will surely die and get blasted to dust.
4. The fact that hashirama was able to lock the juubi with the Gate of the Great God is becuase the Juubi was locked inside the Barrier of the Red Sun, so he couldnt escape anyway.
5. Siaken has already show to easily be able to desinegrate trees to nothing using its corrosive mist, so mokuton is useless against him. Also Hashirama's mokuton wouldnt survive when Son Goku uses his Flower-Fruit Mountain.
6. How is Hashirama suppose to capture chomei who can fly, and spam Continous Tailed Beast Bombs from the air. Hashirama cant deal with that while also tryin to deal with the other tailed beast.
7. Many argue the 1000 handed budda would come into play, but as we have seen in the fight vs madara, all his arms where destroyed by continous TBB from kurama. Imagine what Continous TBB from all 9 Bijuu would do to it.
8. This was the explosion cuase by ONLY Kurama and Gyuki, So Imagine what the explosion would look like if all tailed beast combined there power.
How can you even Argue that Hashirama solo's.LMAO
This is seriously laughable.
1. Hashirama NEVER had all the Bijuu under his control. He was said to have some under his control but not all.
2. Hashirama struggled to defeat The Kyuubi by himself. So its extrememly laughable when Hashirama fanboys's believe that he can solo all the tailed beats even if he does have help from Minato.
3. Hashirama needs to enter sage mode in order to activate the Gate of the Great God. And to enter sage mode Hashirama has o be still for a short while, if hashirama stays still against 9 Bijuu he will surely die and get blasted to dust.
4. The fact that hashirama was able to lock the juubi with the Gate of the Great God is becuase the Juubi was locked inside the Barrier of the Red Sun, so he couldnt escape anyway.
5. Siaken has already show to easily be able to desinegrate trees to nothing using its corrosive mist, so mokuton is useless against him. Also Hashirama's mokuton wouldnt survive when Son Goku uses his Flower-Fruit Mountain.
6. How is Hashirama suppose to capture chomei who can fly, and spam Continous Tailed Beast Bombs from the air. Hashirama cant deal with that while also tryin to deal with the other tailed beast.
7. Many argue the 1000 handed budda would come into play, but as we have seen in the fight vs madara, all his arms where destroyed by continous TBB from kurama. Imagine what Continous TBB from all 9 Bijuu would do to it.
8. This was the explosion cuase by ONLY Kurama and Gyuki, So Imagine what the explosion would look like if all tailed beast combined there power.
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TheSages456
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well if you want to ignore everything that kishi has shown about hashirama and inflate the bijus power, then yes, the bijus would win.
doesnt matter. his superiority over the biju is already established.
hashirama defeated madara and the kyuubi. you must have missed the panel of the VOTE fight where hashirama was about to one-shot kurama before madara jumped in and blocked hashiramas attack with susano.
he already went into sage mode instantaneously. 9 gates, 9 biju. its a simple equation.
the barrier and the gates were used at the exact same time, so no, you are wrong. juubi>>>>biju. Sage Art: Gracious Deity Gates>juubi.
he disintegrated normal trees. he has no feats of spewing enough acid that destroys constructs that are equal to or surpass tailed beasts in size.
hashirama drops a gate on chomei, which the juubi canonically couldnt dodge, who blitzed BM naruto. only gyuki and kurama have shown multiple bijudama.
concessionary dishonesty.
the PS blades amped its strength and made the tbbs unable to be caught. without the PS blades, kuramas bijudamas would be caught just like every other one of its bijudamas were caught prior to being amped up by a susano blade.
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H8OnItachi
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Umm, i guess i should get started with some stuff.
First of all, in that sense youre right, unless we can count obito's ambiguous comment on hashi a manga fact, i dont think hashi actually controlled all Bijuus, he could have, as we already saw how his wood could restrict gyuki and kurama, and snapping the latter out of madara's control.
Next, no, hashi was soloing kurama until madara wrapped it on PS, because he fully counters the bijuus, restricting them.
Stay still? he was in the middle of a battle against a PS kyuubi when he entered Sennin, that right there indicates he can enter quickly, if not autamtically.
Juubi is much bigger and more powerful than all the Tailed beasts, he had to be put under the barrier for the gates to do a better effect as well as buy more time. The bijuus, since theyre separated, lack the sheer strength to break any of the gates and the barrier isnt necessary, when the wood dragons keep restricting them.
And what is he gonna do when the dragons restrict it? Use the acid he makes with chakra? oh wait, mokuton restrict that exact chakra.
Well then thats your prize: Chomei, whose TBBs are just gonna be backfired by golems.
Shinsuusenju got destroyed by continuous TBBs fired by a full powered kurama infused with PS. Want me to remind you that the combination of 6 bijuudamas clashed with a half-powered kurama? Only gyuki and kurama will be able to do anything with their TBBs, and they alone cannot match the destruction caused by 10 continuous PS Bijuudamas, not to mention they have no defense against the mokuton golems or dragons.
Yea, howre they gonna have the time to combine all the TBBs with mokuton restricting them and shinsuusenju anhillating them?
P.S. : I didnt even mention minato, who takes and backfires any Bijuudama. Also, senju are known for their extemely large chakra reserves, in SM hashi should take that to almost obnoxious levels.
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His superiority was established along side Madara, yet no1 would dare say Madara could solo the Bijuu:
They were both said to control beast.
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They were both said to control beast.
I saw the VOTE fight, and i saw hashirama pushing a TBB back to Kurama. Yet, I highly doubt that TBB would have damaged kurama becuase we have just seen kurama tank a TBB from the Juubi, so i highly doubt its own TBB (Weaker than the Juubi's) would have damaged it.
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Each time we have seen Hashirama enter sage mode he was still in the process. And you could process from the panels that it at least took him 2 seconds. Show me panels that suggest a instantaneous transfromation plaese.
The tail Gates were used when the barrier was up, but the barrier had already restricted the juubi's movements. Look at this picture and you can see that the juubi had no where to go once the barrier was up and also the gates locked it from behind. He didnt even see the gated falling onto his tails until it was to late.
Also, the head gate wasnt applied until after the juubi used the TBB.
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Also, the head gate wasnt applied until after the juubi used the TBB.
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The tree hashirama creates are normal tree. Hashirama creates trees. He takes water and earth elements and inserts his chakra to create life which creates Plant life. Nothing in the manga has ever suggested that hashirama or yamato created a super breed of tree.lol
The fact that he can manipulate the trees to his will and create a forest with his raw power that makes him powerful.
The fact that he can manipulate the trees to his will and create a forest with his raw power that makes him powerful.
So you are implying that hashirama instantly lock the beast down and that they wont move out of the way? They are all moving around independantly, so how could he focus on all 9 and lock them down simultaneously without missing or having them using there abilities to escape.
Not sure what you are saying.
Once Again, how does he instantly restains them all when they are all independant. they will be moving around.
Chomei can fly, Isobu speeds around the field in his ball, Shikaku can manipulate his sand body. Al hashirama doesnt have 360 degree vision, nor is he a sensor so how can he see them all if they are surrounding him.
Also, how would hashirama counter:
Matabi's Fire Balls (That burn wood)
Son Goku's Lava (that burns wood)
Saiken's Mist (that rots wood)
Chomei's Blinding power (that would leave hashirama without his sight)
Gyuki's Hurricane (that destroyed a forest)
Chomei can fly, Isobu speeds around the field in his ball, Shikaku can manipulate his sand body. Al hashirama doesnt have 360 degree vision, nor is he a sensor so how can he see them all if they are surrounding him.
Also, how would hashirama counter:
Matabi's Fire Balls (That burn wood)
Son Goku's Lava (that burns wood)
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Hashirama did stay still during his fight with madara. He was having a conversation with madara while he gained senjutsu chakra:
This shows Hashirama still for a while before entering sage mode.
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This shows Hashirama still for a while before entering sage mode.
First of all, hashirama couldnt erect that barrier by himself. He couldnt even use the barrier against the Bijuu.
The wood dragon couldnt completely restrain kurama, and hashirama has never showed the ability to create more than one at one time. So its likelike that he doesnt have the chakra to completely spam dragons to supress all the bijuu.
The wood dragon couldnt completely restrain kurama, and hashirama has never showed the ability to create more than one at one time. So its likelike that he doesnt have the chakra to completely spam dragons to supress all the bijuu.
So if the dragon does wrap around it, and another beast like son goku or matabi burns the dragon off saiken, then what does hashirama do?
Hashirama cant focus on all the bijuu by himself. he would get overwhelmed.
As soon as he stops to enter sage mode they would rage him.
Hashirama cant focus on all the bijuu by himself. he would get overwhelmed.
As soon as he stops to enter sage mode they would rage him.
Hashirama has only shown the ability to create one golem with one dragon. Are you suggesting that he can create 9 golems and control them all simultaneously?
They do have a defense against the golem and dragon. They have corrosive mist, lava mountain, Powerful fire tech (Matabi), Etc.
6 tailed beast TBB combined with kurama, and gyuki >> Shinsuusenju
6 tailed beast TBB combined with kurama, and gyuki >> Shinsuusenju
Once again mokuton isnt a problem as it can be countered by 3-4 other tailed beast. Minato isnt a factor unlesss he uses the DRS which would kill him anyway and it still wouldnt completely eliminate kurama if it was used on him.
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Hashi solo's with Bijuu Treats and tells them to roll over.
Minato and the Raikage watch in amazement.
Minato and the Raikage watch in amazement.
TheSages456
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what was this supposed to prove? also, yes, madara can solo a biju.
juubi level power isnt required to stun kurama when we already saw that narutos rasengans were able to stun it for some time. kurama gets hit with its own tbb, it gets hurt, hashirama uses wood dragon or mokujin to suppress or suck out its chakra.
it took 1 panel to enter sage mode and another to drop the gates:
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as seen in this panel, the gates were already dropping before the barrier was formed:
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its pretty obvious that hashiramas trees arent normal trees that you see on a normal forest, since his trees are bigger than 100% kurama who is village sized.
the gates lock down the biju, simply because they are too big and he already restrained the juubi.
you said that kuramas continuous bijudama pushed hashirama to his limit.
in reality it was a tbb/PS blade combo.
the PS blade increases penetrating power and makes the tbb unable to be caught.
without the PS blades, kuramas continuous tbbs would be caught by the hands off hashiramas mokuton constructs.
simple. hashirama drops gates on the biju that canonically restrained the juubi.
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I forgot about this thread...
Mick Nerks and I share the exact same views. So debating with one is debating with both.
9 Bijuu win this mid difficulty.
Mick Nerks and I share the exact same views. So debating with one is debating with both.
9 Bijuu win this mid difficulty.
