[VS] Minato, 1st Hokage and 4th Raikage vs all tailed beasts
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kurama would be hard enough. he took hashiramas eye and made him gush blood. he killed minato. 4th wasnt able to handle gyukis rampages alone
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Minato would have his hands full with Kurama alone , and on top of that when the Jinchuuriki edo tensei (much weaker individuals) came and fought together they wiped the floor with Naruto and Bee(two motha****in kage level shinobi) without using any of the Bijuus chakra. Therefore the bijuu themselves will be far more powerful.
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All Bijuu Dama are caught.
Any bigger Bijuu Dama is ported via Space Time Barrier.
Hashirama slams gates on their necks and gives them a pat on the head via Wood God or via Moku Bunshin to do it all at once.
Any bigger Bijuu Dama is ported via Space Time Barrier.
Hashirama slams gates on their necks and gives them a pat on the head via Wood God or via Moku Bunshin to do it all at once.
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hashirama slams gates on their neck that easily restrained the juubi. hashirama walks down the line with mokujin giving each biju a pat on the head.
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The juubi is not complete.
The Juubi > Hashirama
All Bijuu combined=Juubi , Hashirama needs assistance and would be powerless alone , and Minato won't prove much help other than countering bijuudama.
I doubt it is possible to perform more than one of the same seiling jutsu at the same time , let alone 9. Gates would be useless as they would only restrain one.
Bijuudama are not the only thing a tailed beast can use. What is Mokutons answer to magma or corrosive gases or blinding lights?
He was stronger than them individually which probably means they where scared to do anything by themselves. He didn't literally keep them as pets.
The 9 bijuu fighting on the same side = the final form of the Juubi. SO6P>Juubi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hashirama
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He was able to restrain all ten of the Juubi's tails, which are massive and near Bijuu size themselves. 9 Bijuu=9 Gates=Getting slammed down on 9 Bijuu's necks, not their tails. After that they can't do anything.
Also, Juubi is not equal in power to the 9 Bijuu together. Not even close. V2 scrawny Juubi could solo the 9 bijuu let alone Current Juubi and Perfect Juubi.
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You forget there is something called collaboration and team work. And also since the bijuu are pretty much telepathically linked they can coordinate attacks almost perfectly (they also have higher intelligence than most humans). Lets just put it this way:
Hashirama and Raikage vs
9 Bijuu with a vast array of jutsu which cannot be countered by two people alone. On top of that their sheer size and physically dominant strength will cause great difficulty. (You forget that Hashirama is an edo tensei summon and has unlimited chakra ; bijuu sized gates had never been shown previously.), There is no way that Ei and Hashirama can counter all this:
Sand jutsu (about twice as strong as Gaaras via speculation),Fire and just ridiculous cutting abilities (easily cutting wood),Water mirror jutsu (GG Hokages) and water manipulation,Magma (burns through wood easily as it is hotter than fire and fire burns wood ; it requires Hashirama to input chakra in order to stop it from burning),Steam attacks and horns which easily pierce any barrier that can be formed by two people,Corrosive acid and poisonous gases which hinder the opponents and cause great harm , on top of that would eat through Mokuton easily , light based attacks which could render sight useless and therefore easily weaken the hokage pairing, and finally the brute strength and intel of Gyuki who could probably make ink sealing clone thingies of himself and of course Kurama himself.
Now consider this:
Mokuton is almost useless,Ei is weaker than a singular bijuu. Sight would be pretty much useless , Hashiramas water style would easily be overpowered by Isobus and his Doton can easily be beat by Magma as that would only contribute to its strength.
The combination of all this makes it impossible for any pairing to fight and defeat the 9 bijuu (other than a pairing including the sage of six paths)
All in all Ei can only be useful for Hindering a couple of Bijuu before being worn out and easily defeated.
Hashirama's only useful powers are his medical abilities and the ability to supress the powers of ONE BIJUU AT A TIME , meaning 8v1 almost useless Ei because Hashirama would be preoccupied so he would not use that power and of course his sage mode mokuton , however we saw that it was equal to Kurama with Susano'o armor. (Consider the combo an equal to the combo of Kurama and an average strength bijuu = son goku. This is because Madara said it was equal to a bijuu , no specificty which must mean he generalized. There would still be 7 other bijuu to assist in overpowering Hashirama's strongest jutsu).
A better match up would be:EDO Hashirama+ EDO Madara+EDO Nagato vs the 9 Bijuu
GG.
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I feel like I'm the only one who remembers that hashi had ALL tailed beasts under his control at one point.
Hashi already canonically put an empowered kyuubi to sleep, and kyuubi at 50% already canonically matched the other failed beasts. Adding Mina to warp all tbb's is just over kill.
PS ytf did you add 4th drainage? Wth is he supposed to do? He didn't even 1v1 a tailed beast like his father did.
Hashi already canonically put an empowered kyuubi to sleep, and kyuubi at 50% already canonically matched the other failed beasts. Adding Mina to warp all tbb's is just over kill.
PS ytf did you add 4th drainage? Wth is he supposed to do? He didn't even 1v1 a tailed beast like his father did.
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Why is it everyone simply power scales?
Nobody considers the range of powers , the numbers and side affects etc. The raikage would only get in his way so its 9vs 1
See my previous post for a full explanation as to why you are completely incorrect.
Range of powers don't matter nor does your previous post.
Mokuton gates restrain.
Wood god puts to sleep.
Wood dragon restrains and drains chakra.
Hashi's entire arsenal restrains tailed beasts. Oh and mokuton took a tbb, I don't know why you believe sand, lava, etc would just effortlessly destroy it. Especially when has hi can keep making massive forests to block tailed beasts. And that's not yet taking into account Mina to..
Oh, and there's also shinshuu which can grasp them like puppies. Madara isn't here this time to susano'o coat for protection
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I did not say effortlessly ; re read the post.
you overestimate Hashirama ; only one man can take on more than seven bijuu singlehandedly and that is the Rikudo sennin whom is multiple times as strong as Hashirama. You realise there is a limit to his chakra right? Most people in vs threads will disregard that and say something like "Hashirama uses 9 shinsuusenju and solo's" etc. Which disregards the fact he is only human. Mokuton does not restrict a bijuu that is just one jutsu which he can only use one at a time on such a large scale. Mokuton absorbs chakra when Hashirama uses it(This is what you are referring to when you say the whole arsenal tanks any bijuu). Hashirama could not use so many gate seals nor could he perfectly defend a telepathically coordinated attack between 9 bijuu.
It's just like this (each shinobi used will be of similar strengths to the bijuu):
Gaara,Ei,Mei,Oonoki,Tsunade,Trollkage,Muu,Bee and Naruto being all telepathically linked and perfectly synchronized against Hashirama , you still think he could win? It's pretty much the same kind of power scale as that.
Or another comparable fight would be:
Madara and Nagato vs Hashirama. NO NO NO NO NO Hashirama won't win.(this is simply the same kind of scale of the battle , but remember defending against 9 is more difficult than you think ; you speak as if he will take them down one by one with ease... The Bijuu are all still very very very very powerful regardless of how downplayed they have been.)
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I could argue hashi solos, his entire moveset counters the bijuus, TBBs are doing nothing with the golems and dragons to stop them and fire them back, shinsuusenju anhillates anything on its path, they pretty much have nothing on hashi. Firepower doesnt count when youre up against someone who restrains that specific kind of power. Adding minato as a backup to warp TBBs is overkill, tho i do agree that A does jack here, getting killed in the crossfire.
Overall a mid diff for team Kage.
Overall a mid diff for team Kage.
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And yet another person who thinks the Bijuu will sit and wait and fight one on one with Hashirama without attacking his allies or himself with multiple numbers , Hashirama can only do so much.
You seem to disregard the 2 other kage. Mina to along can isolate the bijuu's. And, we understand hashis chakra limit, but wood god, Mouton dragon, Mouton arms, shinshuu, a ton of Mouton and rashoumon were all some of what we saw from part of his poon. Those jutsu alone are able to take on the summoning.
9 tail is the most powerful one, and from there the progressively get weaker to the point where 9 tail can almost solo all below him. That already means its basically a fight with 3 kurama. But we know Mina to is apt enough to take on kyuubi. For that matter, he removes kurama(the strongest) from the picture and makes hashi and raikage's job that much easier. 3rd drainage was able to solo 8 tail so Ay should be of some use. Right there we see the power of the bijuu significantly decreasing
Now add the fact that hashi is capable of turning tbb's back on the bijuu and you have a situation where he can cause severe damage with little effort( no Susao to protect them) and as we know, hachibi was already canonically injured by a tbb. Therefore, hashi can simply redirect a tbb which they now have to try to avoid. Add in the heavenly gates into the equation and you now have restrained beasts that can do absolutely nothing while Mina to takes out kurama in another spot, and Ay takes on the 8tail somewhere else leaving only 7 of the far weaker ones for has hi to put to sleep.and that's not taking into account the fact that Mina to would come help has Hiram a out after dealing with 9 tails, or could leave a boss toad with him while he takes out kurama.