[VS] Mihawk vs Kizaru

[ToshiZO]

Nope I used WB, Marco, and Vista as examples.

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Kizaru's defense to Mihawk's attacks > anything Mihawk has over him, he takes this match.

 

[arv993]

Nope I used WB, Marco, and Vista as examples.

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Kizaru's defense to Mihawk's attacks > anything Mihawk has over him, he takes this match.

bisento is far from Wb's best attacks and add to it hes slower from old age and and when he faced kizaru he already took some devastating attacks. Marco and vista are both much inferior in terms of offense to WSS. So all are relatively bad examples.

rayleigh has shown his speed is not a determining factor even tho rayleigh was old, we have no idea of mihawk's strongest slashes. using hype as a tool which mihawk has the advantage.

Edit: love when I bring in hype ppl backing kizaru just seem to brush it off when that's the best measure to use when there are not enough feats to go by.

 

[A v i]

Kizaru because if someone has an advantage somewhere it would be Kizaru having an extra logia defense. Can avoid more attacks especially cutting based attacks he'd phase through plenty of them.

So far from all 3 Admirals, WB's bisento stab was phased through by Kuzan, Kizaru phased through WB's slash as well, and Akainu recovered from Marco and Vista's slashes. That doesn't mean much but it means enough for me to favour someone in a match like this.

So Kizaru gets the benefit of the doubt here.

That hardly even makes a difference if at all, every single time an attack was countered by the C3, was when the attacker is extremely weakened, or when the person in question is much weaker in comparison to them which won't be the case with a person with much better fighting capacity. As matter of fact, Rayleigh was able to make Kizaru bleed with a casual swing. So I am pretty sure a top tier in his prime can do much more.

 

[ToshiZO]

That hardly even makes a difference if at all, every single time an attack was countered by the C3, was when the attacker is extremely weakened, or when the person in question is much weaker in comparison to them which won't be the case with a person with much better fighting capacity. As matter of fact, Rayleigh was able to make Kizaru bleed with a casual swing. So I am pretty sure a top tier in his prime can do much more.

That's a given he can do much more. But that doesn't change anything regarding what I said, two top tiers, I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt to the one with a better defense to counter the others offense every time.

 

[A v i]

That's a given he can do much more. But that doesn't change anything regarding what I said, two top tiers, I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt to the one with a better defense to counter the others offense every time.

It does, Kizaru couldn't afford to let Rayleigh have a blow on him. It means that his attacks would be as effective as they'd normally be despite his ability. Whatever the advantage you spoke of will no longer be an advantage when the person in question is a top tier who can fight at his best, even more so when we're talking about someone who made it up there without being an ability user.

 

[ToshiZO]

It does, Kizaru couldn't afford to let Rayleigh have a blow on him. It means that his attacks would be as effective as they'd normally be despite his ability. Whatever the advantage you spoke of will no longer be an advantage when the person in question is a top tier, even more so when we're talking about someone who made it up there without being an ability user.

Ofcourse Kizaru cannot afford to have Rayleigh land a blow lmao. Why would Kizaru want to risk taking damage?

There are more factors to this then simply one stand off, this fight will be long range, close range, medium range, etc. Kizaru will be phasing through plenty of attacks, his logia defense will play a part no doubt.

 

[A v i]

Ofcourse Kizaru cannot afford to have Rayleigh land a blow lmao. Why would Kizaru want to risk taking damage?

That's the point, he was fine with letting WB hit him because he can get away with it. But it wasn't the case with Rayleigh because aforementioned advantage doesn't apply in his case.

There are more factors to this then simply one stand off, this fight will be long range, close range, medium range, etc. Kizaru will be phasing through plenty of attacks, his logia defense will play a part no doubt.

So would the natural weakness of logia users, Logia's by default have this habit of not dodging even the simplest of the attacks which'd be a problem in a fight like this, Admirals are surely aren't as vulnerable as others, but it should be noted that they were mostly seen taking even the attacks that were very easy for them to dodge which will prove to be a disadvantage while fighting someone like Mihawk.

 

[ToshiZO]

That's the point, he was fine with letting WB hit him because he can get away with it. But it wasn't the case with Rayleigh because aforementioned advantage doesn't apply in his case.

Kizaru never let WB attack him, he was heading for the plaza.

So would the natural weakness of logia users, Logia's by default have this habit of not dodging even the simplest of the attacks which'd be a problem in a fight like this, Admirals are surely aren't as vulnerable as others, but it should be noted that they were mostly seen taking even the attacks that were very easy for them to dodge which will prove to be a disadvantage while fighting someone like Mihawk.

As seen with Rayleigh and as you just said above, Kizaru will not take Mihawk that lightly.

Most long range attacks would be rendered useless infront of Kizaru, while Kizaru's ranged attacks that come in bunches [

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]would pose a problem for Mihawk. Don't see how Mihawk has the edge here when Kizaru can dominate medium to long range, and Mihawk would probably want to keep Kizaru close but that's easier said than done, and as seen with Rayleigh even in CQC Kizaru is no slouch. No real disadvantages for Kizaru I can think of here, while I can think of a couple for Mihawk.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Kizaru never let WB attack him, he was heading for the plaza.




As seen with Rayleigh and as you just said above, Kizaru will not take Mihawk that lightly.

Most long range attacks would be rendered useless infront of Kizaru, while Kizaru's ranged attacks that come in bunches [

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]would pose a problem for Mihawk. Don't see how Mihawk has the edge here when Kizaru can dominate medium to long range, and Mihawk would probably want to keep Kizaru close but that's easier said than done, and as seen with Rayleigh even in CQC Kizaru is no slouch. No real disadvantages for Kizaru I can think of here, while I can think of a couple for Mihawk.

Seeing how Rayleigh scracthed, Kizaru and still grinned. Secondly he was worrying about the pacifistas(his mind not totally in the fight) still cancelling Kizaru. Even Kizaru mentioned "come now you're making me look bad, fighting me with half attention on the Mugiwara no ichimi"...

I don't see how a beast >>>> Current old Rayleigh with have any difficulty with such

 

[Portgas D Xatch]

Oh snap a mihawk thread, haven't read a single post above this one, but I gaurentee I can sum up the prior posts; Mihawk solo's, Mihawk negs, Mihawk hax, Mihawk no Diff..was I close?

 

[HashiraMadara]

Oh snap a mihawk thread, haven't read a single post above this one, but I gaurentee I can sum up the prior posts; Mihawk solo's, Mihawk negs, Mihawk hax, Mihawk no Diff..was I close?

No, you were not :|

 

[bajram]

Extreme diff either way, this is practically impossible to tell who wins without being a bit bias towards one or the other fighter until proven by the manga who is actually stronger.

Actually almost all of top tier duels are like this.

 

[Brooks]

From portrayal standpoint, Mihawk is a bona fide top tier along with Shanks and WW. So, the boy on drugs loses this.

 

[Punk Hazard]

From portrayal standpoint, Mihawk is a bona fide top tier along with Shanks and WW. So, the boy on drugs loses this.

Kizaru is also on this tier.

 

[arv993]

Kizaru is also on this tier.

Being in the same tier doesn't mean you are exactly equal and that's what I think he was getting at. Sengoku in his prime was a top tier but that doesn't mean that he was equal to roger, wb and garp but he'd probably would've given them a really high diff battle.

 

[giostep]

Didnt read, but on first page i saw the A>B and B>C so A>C argument and that is not the way fights work.

Example.

Jack > Luffy (MOST LIKELY)
Luffy > Enel (BASED ON WHO WON)
Jack is not necessarily > Enel

I use that example because enel loses to luffy just about every time without having haki, but without without haki jack is not necessarily stronger than Enel. Not arguing that enel is stronger than any character, just that the logic is flawed.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Didnt read, but on first page i saw the A>B and B>C so A>C argument and that is not the way fights work.

Example.

Jack > Luffy (MOST LIKELY)
Luffy > Enel (BASED ON WHO WON)
Jack is not necessarily > Enel

I use that example because enel loses to luffy just about every time without having haki, but without without haki jack is not necessarily stronger than Enel. Not arguing that enel is stronger than any character, just that the logic is flawed.

Post time skip that logic works very well... "just because they defeated Mingo should I worry? EHHH??? Have you forgotten who I am