Kizaru was caught off guard multiple times, Marco kicked him, Supernova, Rayleigh scar etc. Meanwhile Mihawk has never been exerted, grunted, scratched, defeated on screen...
He uses a sword and is trained in using a sword. Just because his sword is made of light doesn't mean that's not swordsmanship. You guys just want to try and pick and choose who gets a title of "swordsman" if they use a sword regularly and are trained at using it they're a swordsman. Fuji-swordsman, Law-swordsman, Kizaru and Aokiji-swordsmen. Just because they have other methods of fighting doesn't mean they're not swordsmen still you don't have to be a primary sword user to still be a swordsman, just trained in the art. And just to stop it before you try it no, Luffy picking up a sword and swinging it wouldn't make him a swordsman but if he trained with a sword it would, he just wouldn't be a good swordsman. As long as Kizau has his lightsword out though he'd be fighting as a swordsman and he'd lose to Mihawk because Mihawk outclasses all others at swordplay.
Call akainu a brat means nothing he only talked to Akainu that way because he had a strong hatred for him Akainu absolutely disrespected Whitebeard and most other pirates. Whitebeard laugh at Mihawk he had his lackies fight him. Jozu toss his slash away Vista deflected it like it was nothing, Marco and Vista could not even hurt Akainu. Kizaru shot a hole through WB and was 1 footing his Gavel with ease he toyed with the hole MF.
No, he's right. Kizaru isn't a swordsman. In the Marineford War, Kizaru didn't once use that light sword technique, which indicates that it's not a part of his primary fighting style. Not even when facing the likes of Marco or Whitebeard did he use that technique, so it's farfetched to say he uses it enough to be classified as a swordsman.
Kuzan didn't actually phase through Whitebeard's stab, he made a hole in his body where the Bisento was aimed for, and the Bisento slid through the pre-made hole. However, Kizaru did get hit by WB's Bisento straight up, and it makes sense that Whitebeard was using Haki then since he used Haki against the other two Admirals, so there is reason to give Kizaru the benefit of the doubt that he can take Haki slices like Akainu did.
Ah gotcha, it makes sense that the Admirals would be smart enough to use that tactic.
ehhh no, :| WB calls brat, snot etc. just about any Pirate who he does see as "strong" enough, has no potential or hasn't proven himself...
Vista never deflected anything, he simply blocked a Yoru. Secondly he called a fight where he was thrilled in while Mihawk was casually conveying with himself about Luffy a draw... That says a lot more about Mihawk that Vista...
Its very possible that Rayleigh was able to stop his attackes because of observation haki, and having precog of what Kizaru was abou to do. I dont neccesarily think Kizaru has battle speeds of light speed, but if he truely a light man, then theoretically he should be able to move that fast. But anyone with advanced Obeservation Haki and Armandment Haki should be able to respond to his speed.
If it's not their main offensive style then of course they wouldn't use it in the toughest moments they've been shown to go through, so them not using it then doesn't prove their not still trained in swords. I'm not saying either are overly strong swordsmen but they are swordsmen, both adept at using a blade albeit one made not from steel. Swordsmanship works just like any other martial art it's not black and white you are or aren't there's degrees to it; If I have a blue belt I'm still a karate practitioner just not a great one similarly if I have a some amount of training and experience fighting with a sword I'm a swordsman just not a great one, neither of those exclude me from being stronger at something else and still identifying as the previous. If I'm an Olympic medal boxer and a green belt I'm not, not a karate practitioner just because I don't use it on strong opponents.
Sanji isn't trained in sword techniques he's trained to handle a knife, just because they both have a blade doesn't make them the same thing. If Sanji had received training with a sword from a swordsman then yes he would be.
Aokiji lost a leg, Akainu has permanent deadly scars. Meaning Haki leaves a damage big enough if you're strong enough on both men. Mihawk to Zoro "A cuff is a shame to every man's blade" <=== meaning he is a Haki beast, as he never scuffs his sword...
I don't know why you're orgasmin as you type Luffy's name in this part of your post. Luffy was a bottom of the barrel small-fry at Marineford. Vice Admirals were giving him a hard time, and the top tiers casually played hot potato with him without breaking a sweat. Secondly, Whitebeard has referred to Akainu by his name before:
This is bullshit. Kizaru stopped his attack when Coby yelled out. That puts Coby on Beckman's level?
I ignored the rest because if it's not part of their main offensive style, they aren't swordsmen.
Sanji has been trained in swordsmanship and wew, if someone who only uses martial arts ever is a swordsman to you, then there's no sense in carrying this convo since your view is horribly skewed.
@hashi the brat thing is really weak and doesnt mean anything he called aokiji and akainu that despite them being very strong.
He has never been shown to move at the speed of light or better yet nowhere near that speed.
