[Discussion] Mihawk vs kaido
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Kaido wins. Mihawks hype is really weird. Shanks became a yonko after losing his arm. Mihawk fought a weaker Shanks who had both arms
Kaido wins because he's a yonko
Kaido wins because he's a yonko
Uzumaki Macho
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So if we're going to start taking titles very literally then...
Robin really is the child of a demon.
Sanji's leg really is black.
Law is a surgeon that kills his patients.
Kuma is an actual tyrant.
Hancock is really the Empress of the Pirates.
Mihawk actually has hawk eyes.
Vista's swords are actually flowers.
Bartolomeo is a cannibal.
Shiki is actually a golden lion.
etc.
I really hope Kaido is a swordsman. hmm
OT: Mihawk wins this IMO.
He never said that, He said that their respective Hakis are strong enough to KO all fodders at FMI, that doesn't mean that they rival each other.
Let me ask u these questions:
Just for the sake of argument let us assume that Kaido uses a Sword.
Now tell me who is stronger b/w Kaido and Mihawk? Mihwk because he's the best SM or Kaido because he's the strongest beast?
Please don't try to bypass the question by saying that didn't happend in manga.
We know that Roger is a swordsman. Now, Are u going to tell me worlds strongest SM of that times was stronger than Roger regardless of his other capabilities? There are a lot of people with multiple skills. If he can't beat u with swords play then he'll beat u with a gun, simple as that. Mihawk can't be a better sniper than his opponent just because his opponent is a swordsman.hmm
The title worlds strongest man isn't limited to a particular field like WSS. So, he'd beat anyone regardless of their skill, magic and ablility. Where as Mihawk title is only limited to swordsman and swordsman's alone. If WSM uses a sword as a weapon even then Mihawk can't be stronger than WSM just because he uses a sword beause WSM has multiple means to fight. You can't say that everyone who uses a sword is a SM and is weaker than Mihawk as there are exceptions.
OT: Mihawk wins this IMO.
He never said that, He said that their respective Hakis are strong enough to KO all fodders at FMI, that doesn't mean that they rival each other.
Let me ask u these questions:
Just for the sake of argument let us assume that Kaido uses a Sword.
Now tell me who is stronger b/w Kaido and Mihawk? Mihwk because he's the best SM or Kaido because he's the strongest beast?
Please don't try to bypass the question by saying that didn't happend in manga.
We know that Roger is a swordsman. Now, Are u going to tell me worlds strongest SM of that times was stronger than Roger regardless of his other capabilities? There are a lot of people with multiple skills. If he can't beat u with swords play then he'll beat u with a gun, simple as that. Mihawk can't be a better sniper than his opponent just because his opponent is a swordsman.hmm
The title worlds strongest man isn't limited to a particular field like WSS. So, he'd beat anyone regardless of their skill, magic and ablility. Where as Mihawk title is only limited to swordsman and swordsman's alone. If WSM uses a sword as a weapon even then Mihawk can't be stronger than WSM just because he uses a sword beause WSM has multiple means to fight. You can't say that everyone who uses a sword is a SM and is weaker than Mihawk as there are exceptions.
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Dont know why people are ignoring the manga fact that both mihawk and shanks are equals and saying one of them is weaker than the other
yes shanks is a sowrdsman most likely but that dsnt make him weaker than mihwak cause oda stated they were on par <manga fact >
and yes mihawk is a shichibukai and yonko > shichibukai but that dsnt make mihawk weaker than shanks cause oda stated they were on par <manga fact >
plus shichibukai system is not certain when it come to power scale (buggy)
it`s pretty much like this :
mihawk : supreme swordsmanship + excellent haki = shanks : excellent swordsmanship + supreme haki
iam not sure about kaido`s power ( may be because he didnt get a single panel yet ) but iam sure that no top tier can win against another top tier easly so iam just going to say it`s a high\extreme diff fight
yes shanks is a sowrdsman most likely but that dsnt make him weaker than mihwak cause oda stated they were on par <manga fact >
and yes mihawk is a shichibukai and yonko > shichibukai but that dsnt make mihawk weaker than shanks cause oda stated they were on par <manga fact >
plus shichibukai system is not certain when it come to power scale (buggy)
it`s pretty much like this :
mihawk : supreme swordsmanship + excellent haki = shanks : excellent swordsmanship + supreme haki
iam not sure about kaido`s power ( may be because he didnt get a single panel yet ) but iam sure that no top tier can win against another top tier easly so iam just going to say it`s a high\extreme diff fight
If he uses a sword to combat Mihawk, regardless of his zoan ability, strength, haki or whatever, as long as it's a swords battle, Mihawk will win yes
I won't
1- We don't know if the term existed in Roger's time. There were barely even pirates at the time
2- Roger could have been that
3- Roger could have had a different fighting style or even a DF
@Bold and how does it contradict with my statement? All what i said is that Mihawk beats every swordsman in a sword battle. So as long as they use their sword as a basis in the battle, it's Mihawk who will win regardless if the dude is the strongest in the universe or not. He'd only win as long as he uses a different fighting style
The title of WSM isn't different at all. It's supposed to mean he is stronger than every human in combat, but if we're going as technical as you people are trying to do to ignore the title, i could say he is only stronger physically than every human and that if one has superior magic, haki or whatever even if WB was the stronger man, he'd win, which makes it a double standard
Then what about Kaidos title? Are u suggesting that Mihawk isn't a creature?
Didn't u just said that WSC can beat any creature?
It was just 20Y+ ago, just a few Y back for the time when Shanks and Mihawk fought to prove their superiority so WSS title obviously existed back then.
I am asking you to tell me what if someone other than Roger was the WSM back then.
@Bold: So, You admit that a swordsman with multiple skills isn't included in WSS title?
It contradict what you said about WSM. He should be able to beat any man regardless of their strength,haki or any other magic.
Are u suggesting that Mihawk isn't a human? or Will u admit that WSM is an exception from WSS title because he has different means to fight?
I didn't said that it's different, I said WSM title is different from that of Mihawk whose title is only limited to a particular field. Mihawk is only stronger than those that purely rely on swordsmanship where are WSM title isn't limited to a particular field.A WSM can be a swordsman yet he's above Mihawk in terms of strength because he's more than just a SM. He can use gun,sword and DF. If he can't beat him with swords then he beats him with other methods. Like that he beats any human regardless of their strength,haki and magic tricks.
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Forbidden Tale
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That's not the same. If I hold in one hand sword, I'm swordsman. If I hold in other hand mace, I'm still a swordsman because I'm holding in my first hand sword. If I had to fight against someone who is also swordsman and hold in both of his hands swords. In sword battle (so not using mace) he would beat me, because he is better swordsman than me, but if I in battle use that mace in battle, maybe I could beat him. That wouldn't make me better swordsman than him, even thought I won and both of us are swordsmans. Simple I just used something that don't fell under swordsmanship category and won.
Your example is different, though. Since, I need to be best in majority of subjects. But all of the subjects need to be considered in order to decide who is better.
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WB had the title of strongest man, so why wouldn't Law just say that about Kaido? I'll tell you, It's because it was strongly insinuated to mean that he's the strongest Zoan. Mihawk isn't a Zoan.
Mihawk and Shanks sparred all the time with no clear winner ever stated and since he's still the WSS, I doubt he became weaker.
Kaido tried to help kill WB during the MF war, but was stopped by Shanks. I doubt he was beaten. They probably had a high diff fight and he just gave up on WB or maybe their crew went at it, but that would just make him look weaker since he has a zoan army while Shanks has his small crew.
Basically, Mihawk and Kaido had the same outcomes with Shanks, so its safe to assume that a 1v1 among all three would be high diff fights.
I like Mihawk, then Shanks, then Kaido, so that's how I'm going to rank them.
Forbidden Tale
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There is really more to believe that Mihawk beat Shanks than it was tie or Shanks beat Mihawk. As someone mentioned these two were rivals. Why? It's not like Buggy and Shanks who didn't like each other and who were part of the same crew. Probably at some point these two become two best swordsmans and than battles begin. Mihawk won in the end. Since, there is no much of explanation why would strong active pirate like Shanks be in East Blue (weakest out of 4 seas) for so long (1 year). Shanks ashamed left Grand Line and went to East Blue in order to hide.
Unlikely that these two fought, since Shanks arrived at MF without a scretch. But...
If Kaido was truly stronger than Shanks why didn't he just kill him there and went ahead? If he didn't have much strength left to fight with WB, he could just kill Shanks take all of his islands/money/treasures and go back.
Kaido was weaker than Shanks. Shanks is a 'good guy' and didn't want to fight, so he give him some money/islands, Kaido knowing that he stand no chance against Shanks' accepted it and went back. Kaido is "pirate" and bad one, he don't have any deal with marines, but still wanted to fight WB, he just want benefit for himself and nothing more. If Shanks offered him islands/money/treasures, he could just kill Shanks there, eliminate competition, take all of his islands/money/treasure and went back, but he didn't.
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The difference between those titles and Kaido's is that those are metaphors and have explicitly been shown to be so. Nothing in the manga has held Kaido's title in the same light; nothing has indicated it is metaphorical, so it can be taken literally for now.
Mephew D Kensei
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I think pple shld realise that swords are the single most common weopons in the OP universe, I mean anyone who is no one rocks a sword to their belt and for low level charecters its really hard to seperate the real swordsman and pple who probably picked up a swprd coz it came as starndard gear for when they enlisted in the marines or it was the closect thing when they needed something to whack some1 with n they just keep it from then on.
As for df powered sword users I say one is still a swordmsn granted that the fruit's abilities aren't those that affect the way their swords act so fruits that boost yo speed/strength(physical) like maybe Zoans r still swordsmen(if swordsmanship is their actual combat skill) n pple like Kinemon n *Brook(we will address the star later) still count as swordsman but pple like Fuji(his sword now crushes) n Law(cmon his fruit is the ultimate disregard of salesmanship save for swinging a sword left and right). Now as for Shanks I see him more as some1 whom the sword is a compliment to his other skills n not the basis of his combat prowess n not the major aspect to his skill but it's used in lieu with the more dominant abilities in their arsenal(I think its quite obvious Shanks' haki foreshadows his "swordsmanship").
As for Kaido's title ad strongest creature I think.its more in line with his animal/beast theme(from his epithets/monickers excluding this one n the whole 500 Zoans thing) than it is that Oda was saying he is the strongest living combatant in the OP universe, by and by its telling us that Kaido is maybe some other life form that isn't human or he b like Davy Jones(pirates Oda the Caribbean) and has a very beastly look(n being) to him he is no longer "just hunan"(*insert its in accordance to his fruit argument here). Tia Dalma did say, "him was a man once" so from that D.Jones wasn't a man then(just wanted to type 'him was' n stick it to every computer for not knowing pirate grammar).
As for the fight, I'm leaning towards Mihawk on this one(it maybe cause I have a sword fetish n lets b frank apart from a silhouette we haven't even seen Kaido so ask me after at least a proper image n maybe I will waver but so long as it's only titles n shadows we have then Takaname all day for me though it's still very high diff).
About *Brook well after the TS he now chanels the underworld's energies thru his sword so his sword now not only slices n pierces(gavotte bond en vant b polka remise) but also freezes what it cuts, in a way the df has changed somewhat the generally behavior of the sword from that of a normal sword user's but that is until u realise SM in op can aslo channel elements thru what are as of yet not explained techniques(Kitsunebi ryuu I think it was named) n so it doesn't make Brook that odd to SM n anyways Sworsmanship is still his battle arsenal top of the list skill n his swordnamed attacks his go to in battle to actually defeat his opponents.
As for df powered sword users I say one is still a swordmsn granted that the fruit's abilities aren't those that affect the way their swords act so fruits that boost yo speed/strength(physical) like maybe Zoans r still swordsmen(if swordsmanship is their actual combat skill) n pple like Kinemon n *Brook(we will address the star later) still count as swordsman but pple like Fuji(his sword now crushes) n Law(cmon his fruit is the ultimate disregard of salesmanship save for swinging a sword left and right). Now as for Shanks I see him more as some1 whom the sword is a compliment to his other skills n not the basis of his combat prowess n not the major aspect to his skill but it's used in lieu with the more dominant abilities in their arsenal(I think its quite obvious Shanks' haki foreshadows his "swordsmanship").
As for Kaido's title ad strongest creature I think.its more in line with his animal/beast theme(from his epithets/monickers excluding this one n the whole 500 Zoans thing) than it is that Oda was saying he is the strongest living combatant in the OP universe, by and by its telling us that Kaido is maybe some other life form that isn't human or he b like Davy Jones(pirates Oda the Caribbean) and has a very beastly look(n being) to him he is no longer "just hunan"(*insert its in accordance to his fruit argument here). Tia Dalma did say, "him was a man once" so from that D.Jones wasn't a man then(just wanted to type 'him was' n stick it to every computer for not knowing pirate grammar).
As for the fight, I'm leaning towards Mihawk on this one(it maybe cause I have a sword fetish n lets b frank apart from a silhouette we haven't even seen Kaido so ask me after at least a proper image n maybe I will waver but so long as it's only titles n shadows we have then Takaname all day for me though it's still very high diff).
About *Brook well after the TS he now chanels the underworld's energies thru his sword so his sword now not only slices n pierces(gavotte bond en vant b polka remise) but also freezes what it cuts, in a way the df has changed somewhat the generally behavior of the sword from that of a normal sword user's but that is until u realise SM in op can aslo channel elements thru what are as of yet not explained techniques(Kitsunebi ryuu I think it was named) n so it doesn't make Brook that odd to SM n anyways Sworsmanship is still his battle arsenal top of the list skill n his swordnamed attacks his go to in battle to actually defeat his opponents.
@Exactly,
Also, Kaido has no reason to accept his offer as nothing offered by Shanks can replace WBs head but still Kaido accepted it or rather he was forced to accept it because he knew what'll happen if he don't accept it.
