Top3 in terms of future importance comparatively to Luffy. It doesn't necessarily mean they were/are currently in the top3 strongest. I won't be surprised if Drake for example was currently stronger than Law
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Future importance usually ties into strength. 1v1 Drake would get annihilated by Law lol. Going in that giant T rex form is suicide, a big zoan type is not a great match up against Law. Though he can probably do partial transformations.
But overall I can make an exception to Drake because he stood out from the rest of the SN. I have Drake top 4 anyways.
Did you know that people actually sweat when they are actively running around? Do you know that your adrenaline is through the roof in a battle situation? Doffy was literally sitting, FOH with that horrendous logic. By that logic me using a situation where somebody is literally spilling buckets of sweat from not moving is still 'not fearful' because others who were running around also sweat and thus sweat is not an indication of anything because Riker's logic>yours.
Not really a sign of rage.. It's a sign of anxiety in my opinion. He's clearly nervous and Law outright stating that Kaido wipes the floor with him right after that leads me to believe that he's afraid rather then angry. He's angry after Law tells him that Kaido would wipe the floor with him, which is obvious. But he's angry because he's being corned by the plan Law has devised which is making Doffy fearful. As you said, he has a major superiority complex. But you also need to take into account that he's one of the most intelligent people in OP verse. Regardless of how far his superiority complex has reached he'll know that the world's strongest creature can shit on him 1000 times over. If anything his anger is aroused by the fact that he's acknowledged someone else being stronger then him, and the fear goes hand in hand with the consequent anger. If he wasn't afraid he wouldn't have asked for the 'demands'.
That's just his character. Doesn't change the initial fear he showed, which were his true feelings. Being able to mask his feelings with a smile doesn't mean he doesn't feel fear anymore.
Depends on how strong his haki is
It ties to potential, not strength. Luffy isn't the pirate king. He has the potential to become one. Law has the potential(as well as Kid) to be Luffy's strongest rival. Doesn't mean he currently is or that he was pretimeskip. Pretimeskip actually besides the moment where he standing alongside Luffy and Kid, he had the lowest portrayal of the top5supernovas(behind Luffy, Kid who were more hightlighted but Drake and Hawkins too). Lower bounty, impressed by Drake's strength(who could block 2supernovas mid way), Hawkins surviving admiral attacks, etc
And in the return of sabaody, there were some commoners who were saying that the current supernovas aren't of the caliber of Kid and Drake without even mentioning Law and thus once again hightlighting Kid and Drake's portrayal above that of Law. Law went all out during this arc, but beforehand Oda purposedly integrated Drake once again in Law's fb(who ended up saving Law without knowing) suggesting he has great expectations for Drake who coincidently is currently affiliated to Kaido who Luffy and Law are targetting, so he would most probably be heavily highlighted when he'd be properly introduced and i don't expect his portrayal to be below Kaido arc Law's at all who should be stronger than Dressrosa Law
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Congratulations, you completely missed the point of my post. I didn't say sweat is automatically an indicator of fear or an indicator of nothing. I said the exact opposite: Perspiration is not the result of any one thing. There are multiple causes, so you cannot conclude someone is afraid solely because they are sweating. Someone sitting down CAN start sweating buckets for any number of reasons, including both anger and fear.
Doflamingo's sweating can be caused by both fear or anger[
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]. Doflamingo exhibited all of those traits, including the face flushing, which is what prompted Buffalo to comment on the color of his face and indicated by two panels of his face getting red. Fear can also cause this, but mostly cause the face becoming pale, which isn't the case here especially because Doflamingo's veins in his face are bulging. Anger can also cause frantic and panicked tones, which is why Doflamingo shouted for Law to just name his demands. He also did that to formulate his counterstrategy, which ended up being the false printing.The point is, the signs indicate both fear and anger. You can't tell me it's definitely fear and it can argued for anger just as much as fear. So no, there is no clear-cut proof Doflamingo was scared of Kaido.
Good job trying to play off that horrendous analogy. As I already suggested, his anger is a consequence of his fear.
Good job utilising your PhD in Kinesics. Sadly the overall context of the scan pretty much supports the fact that he's afraid. That's not to say there's no way of interpreting it as pure anger as a consequence of being looked down on, it's simply far less likely.
I'm not saying it's definitely fear. I'm simply saying it's far more likely. And anyways, I'm also saying he's angry. But I'm saying his anger is a result of his fear. The fact that he starts talking and the text is emphasised by exlamation marks RIGHT after Law tells him Kaido would wipe the floor with him gives me reason to believe he's afraid. This is, of course, taking into account that Doffy doesn't insult or threaten Law. He instead says "it's being taken too far" despite being angry based on the veins popping on his face. Moreover, he immediately asks about Law's demands. He's clearly submitting to Law here, and anger would not be a logical reason for him to submit. Hence fear being the most obvious candidate in this situation, and anger only occurring as a consequence.
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Wow. It wasn't even an analogy. They were examples of people sweating for reasons other than fear to prove my point that fear isn't the only cause of sweat.
I can just as easily say there is no fear and the anger is the consequence of Law doing the very thing that makes him furious the most.
That's not true. There is nothing in those scans that indicate fear that cannot indicate pure anger. There are no indicators that indicate fear while simultaneously excluding anger. There are indicators, such as his seething, the veins popping in his head the entire time, the "SNAP" text bubble and his face turning bright red that indicate anger, but don't indicate fear. So it's actually fall more likely than fear because, unlike fear's indicators, these indicators for anger excludes the other.
The fact that he starts talking with exclamation marks indicates shouting, which can be caused by anger without any fear needed. Akainu and Fujitora's shouting match is a prime example. Saying Law is taking it too far is a warning that Law is pushing his buttons to anger, he even says "Don't make me angry." Later on, when explaining his fury towards Law, he includes that very conversation and follows up with saying that being looked down is what he hates the most, something Law is aware of. That makes it far more likely that Law was purposefully trying to make Doflamingo angry so he would make rash decisions and throw him off his game. Fear can also do that, but there's nothing that indicates fear above anger, and there is nothing that indicates that the anger was caused by fear.
Can fear cause anger? Yes. Did fear cause anger in this situation? Nothing definitively proves so. So while you can say you think fear caused the anger, you can't actually say that to refute someone saying it's just anger.
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Well I think Luffy, issho, smoker, coby will break the system of Yonko, Shichibukai apart
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Luffy's goal is the Pirate King but his idol is Shanks...
Ever seen his face when the name Shanks is mentioned
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Ok flawed logic. Of so the yonkou/admiral/shush insulin are supposed to balance each other out. But this is taking into consideration that the yonkou a don't work together. They already said if the yonkou a worked together that they would demolish the marines. The marines are saying that the admirals + shichibuki would equal 1 and I repeat ONE yonkou. So with that said, yonkou are on a whole different level than the marines. I mean in the war of the greatest the marines barely got the upper hand on whiteboard. And I'm talking about every single marine and shichibuki got the better of one yonkou. But when shanks showed up everyone gave up. So yonkou are probably gorosei or higher level
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Luffy a idol is shanks. It has always been shanks and it will always be shanks. I wouldn't be surprised if luffy didn't even know who roger was
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Source that proves this?
Lol you must be kidding because the Whitebeard pirates got DEMOLISHED at the Paramount War. All of their top fighters received notable injuries, while only two of the top fighters among the Marines did.
True but the marines also had a huge advantage in the arena. They set up for that defense in advance because they knew a war was coming. The walls being deployed is a good exampe, because of those walls a large portion of WB's forces were killed forcing WB to take a primary role ultimately causing his death. Had he been able to hang back, things might have turned out somewhat differently. I do agree though that the marines did beat them back pretty well though.
But unless the marines are hiding a force equal to that at marineford in the new world. There is no way they can take on all the yonkou at once. Each Yonkou themselves could fight an admiral and with their first mates/calamities etc they could beat the admirals. Without doubt the marines have less numbers than the yonkous combined too. They are pretty outmatched in firepower, they haven't lost control though because non of the yonkou want the others to gain power. The marines are also not alone in their effort. CP helps and so does the shichibukai.
If the yonkou could be defeated individually by the navy, why havent they done so? And better yet, if the marines could take on all the yonkou and win, why havent they done so? Answer: because the marines cant, with the WG and CP and the shichibukai it has turned into a big stalemate. So how havent they been beaten yet if the marines could do it by themselves let alone with the help of the WG shichibukai and CP?
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Demolished? I wouldn't go that far. First of all your considering the fact that one mans fleet was enough to warrant the marines to pull together all of their resources. Plus I can't recall anyone getting notable injuries aside from white beard and ace. And all of that aside you have to consider this true that 2 of the four younkou were enough to completely stop the war. So 2 of 4 yonkou was enough to stop ALL of the marines. Think about if all four yonkou were to have been working together. They would have demolished the marines
The marines and the shichibukai exist to counter balance all four yonko not just one. I agree the emperors would probably gain advantage over "marines and the shichibukai", if they amalgamate their forces. But, there is noway an emperor along with his forces matching the might of the allied forces of "the marines and the shichibukai"
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You do realize for a time law was with doffy right.... Doffy is suchibanki with that being said he wouldn't have a bounty because your bounties are erased or they don't matter when your leader is a warlord however the leader still keeps a frozen bounty
And also law was prob doing everything in secret before he left similar to how doffy was fooling everyone doffy prob didn't let ppl just outright do what they want he prob had way more sneaking approaches to things in which law would never recieve a bounty till he left on his own
The manga says (that) the current marines organisation is stronger than what it was two years ago despite loosing 3 admiral level fighters. Only fighters among the marines who can make that much of a difference are the admiral; In other words, Issho and Ryokugyu. They must be the ones who contributed Akainu the most in surpassing the marine HQ led by Sengoku. Yet we still have clueless people who still refuse to accept that the C3 aren't the strongest of the admirals.:yeah: