[VS] Mihawk vs Issho(Fujitaro) speculation thread

[loj]

why do you think EOS law will be on their level? I see law being below Zoro.

Cause he will be for sure a yonko at the end of the manga.

Not only that he has an amazing DF.Would be a shame of a character like Law to not be as strong as top tear characters.

 

[KingHashirama]

Confirmed to be a D. Rival of Luffy. Placed as the top 3 SN along with Kidd and Luffy. That is more than enough reason to believe Law will be on that level.

So is blackbeard as far as "d. rival of luffy" goes.


Top 3 SN?? nah, can be argued with Kid/Luffy/Hawkins as the top 3. << I would probably throw in Zoro in their as well by EOS.

Cause he will be for sure a yonko at the end of the manga.

Not only that he has an amazing DF.Would be a shame of a character like Law to not be as strong as top tear characters.

of course, but Mihawk is also in the top tier.Thats why i asked XD.

 

[ToshiZO]

So is blackbeard as far as "d. rival of luffy" goes.


Top 3 SN?? nah, can be argued with Kid/Luffy/Hawkins as the top 3. << I would probably throw in Zoro in their as well by EOS.

lol Sorry but

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. And yea Blackbeard will be among the strongest if not THE strongest enemy by the end.

 

[KingHashirama]

lol Sorry but

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. And yea Blackbeard will be among the strongest if not THE strongest enemy by the end.

How is that Oda disagreeing?


I guess oda disagreed when he introduced Hawkins with a bigger bounty ?? lol.

Law is one of the main supernovas that the story revolves around, hence he was put there (main ally to luffy out of the supernova), how exactly does that translate to him being more powerful than Hawkins? Top 2 are gonna be Luffy and Kidd, and if Oda is setting up Zoro similar to Rayleigh.. then Zoro can very well be in the top 3 as well.


Law is a iffy for me as far as top 3.

 

[ToshiZO]

How is that Oda disagreeing?


I guess oda disagreed when he introduced Hawkins with a bigger bounty ?? lol.

Law is one of the main supernovas that the story revolves around, hence he was put there (main ally to luffy out of the supernova), how exactly does that translate to him being more powerful than Hawkins? Top 2 are gonna be Luffy and Kidd, and if Oda is setting up Zoro similar to Rayleigh.. then Zoro can very well be in the top 3 as well.


Law is a iffy for me as far as top 3.

Lol the fact that Hawkins had a bigger bounty and Oda still placed Luffy/Law/Kidd as the top 3 SN's should clue you in that he is clearly disagreeing.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Dude half the things you said never happened.

Maybe you forgot the part where Aokiji wasn't really that impressed with Doflamingo when he froze him with his hands in his pockets. Or when Jozu just casually blocked the worlds strongest slash. Or when Mihawk agreed that battling Vista would be a waste of time for both of them.

Mihawk and Doffy are clearly not in the same league as Yonkou and admirals. When Law threatened Doffy with Kaidou he almost shat himself while he still was trying to fight Aokiji.

Akainu/Kizaru/Kuzan vs Mihawk, I just can't see Mihawk winning those fights. Top level haki, tricky abilities and a logia body.

Besides If Mihawk was strong enough to face the highest power in the navy, why did he become a government dog in order to stop being hunted as a pirate ?

Who would they send after him if he would refuse ? Previous chapters already proved he thinks it's bothersome to work for them. If he really was that strong he could just drink wine in his castle all day.



What portrayal ? He liked to have sparring matches with Shanks ? It's already impressive that Shanks was able to keep up with Mihawk in terms of sword skills. But that won't be the only thing in his arsenal. Mihawk commented on that when Shanks lost his arm the matches weren't interesting anymore, in terms of swordmanship that is. Shanks remained a yonkou so obviously he has something else up his sleeve than just his sword.

Look at all the other yonkou, they're all super crazy over the top bad asses. Do you really think Shanks is a normal one armed guy with a sword, and not even the best at it ? NO! that is impossible.

That Mihawk is Zoro's opponent means shit, because it would make no sense for Luffy to keep growing to the level of strength of this generation of Yonkou (BB excluded, he is already part of the new generation) Whitebeard, Kaidou, Big Mom and Shanks are one man armies. They can do anything on their own. Luffy will always need his crew and new friends to fight alongside him.

luffy will probably beat a yonkou or two along the way but look at the trouble he had against someone like Doflamingo. Fighting yonkous is going to take planning, alliances, crippling them first before Luffy stands a chance. While when a yonkou would face Luffy 1Vs1 in a 'fair' fight they would win 10 out of 10 times. Not saying that playing dirty isn't fair because they're pirates after all. But that doesn't mean Luffy is stronger.

But let's play along and say Luffy might be yonkou level at the end of the series, there is no way that Zoro will be on that level to in order to beat Mihawk. For a crew of 10 people to have 2 yonkou level pirates aboard would be so over the top. Zoro doesn't have to be that strong in order to beat him. Admiral level would suffice.

Mihawk is low top 10 at best in the OP world, behind 3 admirals 4 yonkou and maybe some others like Dragon and some unknowns or people I didn't think of at the top of my head.

So Luffy isn't even going to be admiral/Yonko level at the end of the series? Are you serious?

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol the fact that Hawkins had a bigger bounty and Oda still placed Luffy/Law/Kidd as the top 3 SN's should clue you in that he is clearly disagreeing.

Because standing together = top 3 SN?? huh what?

Clearly him standing together with them, while his bounty not even being bigger than Hawkins.. should also give you a clue as well.

You keep mentioning "oda" "oda", while Law having a lesser bounty than Hawkins was also something Oda did. There is nowhere that its stated by oda that Law/Kidd/Luffy are the top 3 SN.


He put the main 3 supernovas he was gonna focus on together. That doesn't mean those 3 supernovas are the top 3 supernovas, thats your assumption from them just standing together.

 

[ToshiZO]

Because standing together = top 3 SN?? huh what?

Clearly him standing together with them, while his bounty not even being bigger than Hawkins.. should also give you a clue as well.

You keep mentioning "oda" "oda", while Law having a lesser bounty than Hawkins was also something Oda did. There is nowhere that its stated by oda that Law/Kidd/Luffy are the top 3 SN.


He put the main 3 supernovas he was gonna focus on together. That doesn't mean those 3 supernovas are the top 3 supernovas, thats your assumption from them just standing together.

Yes standing together like that does = top 3 SN. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

 

[Love Cook]

So Luffy isn't even going to be admiral/Yonko level at the end of the series? Are you serious?

I know it's a lot of text but at least pretend you've read it you mong.

I clearly said multiple times that there is a large gap between admirals and the old generation of yonkou.

Doflamingo not affraid to fight Kuzan, still gets his ass kicked. But as soon as he hears Kaidou's name dropped when he isn't even close he turns into a scared little shit.

Luffy being stronger than an admiral ? Probably
Luffy being stronger than one man armies like White beard, Kaidou, Big Mom and Shanks ? No

If Luffy ever becomes a yonkou he would be a lot more like Blackbeard.

So if you made it here and read it all like a good little boy but still don't get it:

Old Yonkou > Logia Trio Admirals > Mihawk > Fujitora

That is how I think the powers are devided

 

[KingHashirama]

Yes standing together like that does = top 3 SN. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

lmfao alright man, if thats what you think. Or it just means the 3 important ones, but oh well.

 

[loj]

Yes standing together like that does = top 3 SN. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

I agree here.

Kido,Law and Luffy are the ones

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I know it's a lot of text but at least pretend you've read it you mong.

I clearly said multiple times that there is a large gap between admirals and the old generation of yonkou.

Doflamingo not affraid to fight Kuzan, still gets his ass kicked. But as soon as he hears Kaidou's name dropped when he isn't even close he turns into a scared little shit.

Luffy being stronger than an admiral ? Probably
Luffy being stronger than one man armies like White beard, Kaidou, Big Mom and Shanks ? No

If Luffy ever becomes a yonkou he would be a lot more like Blackbeard.

So if you made it here and read it all like a good little boy but still don't get it:

Old Yonkou > Logia Trio Admirals > Mihawk > Fujitora

That is how I think the powers are devided

Lmao dude it's pretty obvious that Luffy will reach PK level and therefore surpass the Yonko.

 

[arv993]

Coby can challenge Kizaru as well... will he win? no.

@bold, what are you on about??


@2nd bold, manga scans of where he was losing?






he is not gonna be Zoro's EOS opponent.

if u need manga scans of akainu falling into a hole, he lost dude it was clear as day and that was a nearly dead wb

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lol so marco = coby now dude pls be rational. marco an hold out any admiral with his regen powers and has a chance to win. he stalemates admirals and there is ben beckham

long story short ur claim of admiral= yonko makes no sense read again if u need more clarification

 

[ToshiZO]

if u need manga scans of akainu falling into a hole, he lost dude it was clear as day and that was a nearly dead wb

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lol so marco = coby now dude pls be rational. marco an hold out any admiral with his regen powers and has a chance to win. he stalemates admirals and there is ben beckham

long story short ur claim of admiral= yonko makes no sense read again if u need more clarification

I asked you for scans of the Admirals talking about Mihawk when he entered battle. Where are they?

 

[arv993]

Dude half the things you said never happened.

Maybe you forgot the part where Aokiji wasn't really that impressed with Doflamingo when he froze him with his hands in his pockets. Or when Jozu just casually blocked the worlds strongest slash. Or when Mihawk agreed that battling Vista would be a waste of time for both of them.

Mihawk and Doffy are clearly not in the same league as Yonkou and admirals. When Law threatened Doffy with Kaidou he almost shat himself while he still was trying to fight Aokiji.

Akainu/Kizaru/Kuzan vs Mihawk, I just can't see Mihawk winning those fights. Top level haki, tricky abilities and a logia body.

Besides If Mihawk was strong enough to face the highest power in the navy, why did he become a government dog in order to stop being hunted as a pirate ?

Who would they send after him if he would refuse ? Previous chapters already proved he thinks it's bothersome to work for them. If he really was that strong he could just drink wine in his castle all day.



What portrayal ? He liked to have sparring matches with Shanks ? It's already impressive that Shanks was able to keep up with Mihawk in terms of sword skills. But that won't be the only thing in his arsenal. Mihawk commented on that when Shanks lost his arm the matches weren't interesting anymore, in terms of swordmanship that is. Shanks remained a yonkou so obviously he has something else up his sleeve than just his sword.

Look at all the other yonkou, they're all super crazy over the top bad asses. Do you really think Shanks is a normal one armed guy with a sword, and not even the best at it ? NO! that is impossible.

That Mihawk is Zoro's opponent means shit, because it would make no sense for Luffy to keep growing to the level of strength of this generation of Yonkou (BB excluded, he is already part of the new generation) Whitebeard, Kaidou, Big Mom and Shanks are one man armies. They can do anything on their own. Luffy will always need his crew and new friends to fight alongside him.

luffy will probably beat a yonkou or two along the way but look at the trouble he had against someone like Doflamingo. Fighting yonkous is going to take planning, alliances, crippling them first before Luffy stands a chance. While when a yonkou would face Luffy 1Vs1 in a 'fair' fight they would win 10 out of 10 times. Not saying that playing dirty isn't fair because they're pirates after all. But that doesn't mean Luffy is stronger.

But let's play along and say Luffy might be yonkou level at the end of the series, there is no way that Zoro will be on that level to in order to beat Mihawk. For a crew of 10 people to have 2 yonkou level pirates aboard would be so over the top. Zoro doesn't have to be that strong in order to beat him. Admiral level would suffice.

Mihawk is low top 10 at best in the OP world, behind 3 admirals 4 yonkou and maybe some others like Dragon and some unknowns or people I didn't think of at the top of my head.

dude the hype mihawk gets is beyond any admiral. I mixed the anime scene up by accident soo the admirals talking part did not happen. regardless, he is a rival of shanks, and is a huge opponent for zoro. and the admirals can't crush him, the idea they can crush mihawk is laughable you are so ignorant its funny. if the schibukai are so weak why have them. aokiji's attack was broken by doffy which even jozu couldnt do. yea ppl call other s ppl exceptional pirates for no reason, doffy is a tank and strong enough for admirals to go after him, he was a pirate who ensured the balance in the OP world. dude you make no sense if doffy+ mihawk both get crushed they would make no sense as a world power. and mihawk is a loner hence him being a schibukai he is portrayed on shanks level which your admirals arent. he is a yonko level dude.

oda likely introduced weeble as a pretty strong guy just to compensate for the loss of some power in schibukai faction. he was hyped as a young WB in raw strength by kizaru, there is almost no reason for the govt to have them if they cannot effectively be stronger than an admiral or 2. cuz otherwise yonko as a whole could not be balanced. But i guess all that logic doesnt matter and mihawk gets crushed what a joke.

I asked you for scans of the Admirals talking about Mihawk when he entered battle. Where are they?

i wasnt talking to u in that specific post so chill i was gonna respond regardless but yea it didnt happen i mixed up an anime and manga event. but regardless my point is the same mihawk was shown on the level of shanks who beats any admiral high diff by hype. being zoro's likely EOS also makes the case he is a yonko level guy and his title only further helps his case.

 

[Apêx1]

Admirals DO equal Yonko.


How many Yonko are there? 4

How many Admirals are there? 4

If the Admirals don't = the Yonko in a 1 vs 1, then who is there to keep the Yonko in check and provide a balance? NOBODY. So the whole crap about Yonko being a tier above the admirals is BS.

Shanks has never shown to be stronger than the Admirals.

This is speculating that the members of the Gorosei aren't extremely powerful. Not to mention, we know for a fact that Kong is extremely powerful and is either at or above fleet admiral level. IMO it's up to the reader to think what he wants.

 

[Love Cook]

Lmao dude it's pretty obvious that Luffy will reach PK level and therefore surpass the Yonko.

You yourself are better to summarize in one sentence why it's obvious that you have no clue what you're talking about.

Neither of those titles indicate strength. If Buggy was picked up by a giant bird and dropped on Raftel by accident he would be pirate kind because he found One Piece. Being the pirate king has nothing to do with strength but it helps to get you there.

Luffy will never be on the level of the likes of Whitebeard, Kaido or Big Mom

 

[Punk Hazard]

Mihawk wins since he is WSS and Fujitora is a swordsman.

Exactly. Mihawk extreme diff.

Mihawk, since he is the end goal for one of the main characters. And also, the dude seems pretty OP to me.



@the WSS logic... it doesn't work on Fujitora, when Fujitora isn't really a swordsman like Mihawk, but instead a DF user , who uses the sword.

Yes it does. Fujitora uses gravity to enhance his swordplay. By this logic, a swordsman who uses Haki isn't a swordsman, they're a Haki user who uses the sword.

Kaku was a martial artist and had a DF, and was still a swordsman.

I know it's a lot of text but at least pretend you've read it you mong.

I clearly said multiple times that there is a large gap between admirals and the old generation of yonkou.

Doflamingo not affraid to fight Kuzan, still gets his ass kicked. But as soon as he hears Kaidou's name dropped when he isn't even close he turns into a scared little shit.

Luffy being stronger than an admiral ? Probably
Luffy being stronger than one man armies like White beard, Kaidou, Big Mom and Shanks ? No

If Luffy ever becomes a yonkou he would be a lot more like Blackbeard.

So if you made it here and read it all like a good little boy but still don't get it:

Old Yonkou > Logia Trio Admirals > Mihawk > Fujitora

That is how I think the powers are devided

Doflamingo never got scared of Kaido. He was pissed off at Law because Law was disrespecting him, the thing he hated the most. Doflamingo has a very severe superiority complex, which is why he became enraged at Law for attempting to blackmail him. It had nothing to do with fear.

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Last I checked, fear isn't represented by turning red, snapping and seething.

 

[Apêx1]

Exactly. Mihawk extreme diff.


Yes it does. Fujitora uses gravity to enhance his swordplay. By this logic, a swordsman who uses Haki isn't a swordsman, they're a Haki user who uses the sword.

Kaku was a martial artist and had a DF, and was still a swordsman.





Doflamingo never got scared of Kaido. He was pissed off at Law because Law was disrespecting him, the thing he hated the most. Doflamingo has a very severe superiority complex, which is why he became enraged at Law for attempting to blackmail him. It had nothing to do with fear.

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Last I checked, fear isn't represented by turning red, snapping and seething.

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Clearly he was shitting himself, sweat makes it ever the more obvious. Then Law tells him he'd wipe the floor with him and right after that Doffy infuriatingly shouts at Law to know what he can do to get out of the situation.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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Clearly he was shitting himself, sweat makes it ever the more obvious. Then Law tells him he'd wipe the floor with him and right after that Doffy infuriatingly shouts at Law to know what he can do to get out of the situation.

Zoro had sweat on him against Fujitora. Sabo had sweat against Fujitora. Luffy had sweat against Doffy. Marco had sweat at Marineford when Luffy used HaoshNo they aren't. Equality is saying Roger and Whitebeard tied with each other. KingHashirama's post is an example of equivalance.oku. Clearly they were all afraid too, right?

Doflamingo was huffing in that panel, as seen by that white cloud indicator near his mouth, another sign of rage as huffing is closely associated to anger. Another sign of his anger is his vein popping. Nothing during this conversation indicates fear. He got angry because Law was being conscending, setting off his superiority complex and the thing he hates the most: Being looked down upon.

Doflamingo calmy spoke of Kaido killing him twice after that. Someone who is scared shitless of something more often than not can't calmy talk about something, much less do so with a smile.