[Discussion] Mihawk>Shanks?

[Avinash012]

Shanks being better in haki wouldn't make him stronger than Mihawk in this case since Mihawk is stated to be the strongest swordsman. So using WB as an example is irrelevant. Is that difficult to comprehend? Mihawk = WSS -> Zoro defeats him -> Zoro without a doubt strongest swordsman. Not the opposite.

Shanks being a pure SM is ur own speculation that logic won't work for me ...for me based on manga Shanks is abit below Mihawk but is stronger as a normal fighter (It is my opinion Iam not stating this as a fact)...
I remember u saying that WB using sword is no dif from using his weapon means any tool is the hands of WB is nothing more than a weapon to aid him ...what makes u think that Shanks can't fight if I replace his Sword with something else..?

I knw that Zoro is going to surpass him & he is the WSS.....Also don't forgot that Luffy is going to Surpass Shanks ...he promised that to Shanks which means that Shanks should be stronger since he is the goal of Main character /Cap of the ship...

Huh? We saw no feats from Whitebeard until the war. I guess this means Rayleigh is the better haki user since we saw him fight an admiral according to your logic. Doesn't work like that

My poin is if we saw feats from both of them then u can compare them & conclude that Sanji is stronger/better ,same logic goes for WB & dark king

Current Luffy can stomp his old self without putting any effort. Current Luffy would be stomped by Mihawk. Mihawk does not need to put in any effort in beating pre timeskip Luffy. That's the plot shield for you

Ofcourse he can stomp Luffy ..Iam not saying that he can't ...he is serious about killing Luffy & it is not a plot shield Luffy barely managed to escape from Mihawk ..it would be a plot shield if Luffy fought him in a one on one battle for abit more & survive...

 

[Hijey]

Shanks being a pure SM is ur own speculation that logic won't work for me ...for me based on manga Shanks is abit below Mihawk but is stronger as a normal fighter (It is my opinion Iam not stating this as a fact)...
I remember u saying that WB using sword is no dif from using his weapon means any tool is the hands of WB is nothing more than a weapon to aid him ...what makes u think that Shanks can't fight if I replace his Sword with something else..?

I knw that Zoro is going to surpass him & he is the WSS.....Also don't forgot that Luffy is going to Surpass Shanks ...he promised that to Shanks which means that Shanks should be stronger since he is the goal of Main character /Cap of the ship...

It's on you to prove a negative. I'm not going to suggest something that is not hinted at. I mean, how many times have we seen someone who has a sword and used it in a serious threat situations and he can just replace that with something stronger? Never. For Shanks to actually be same like WB he would need to have a devil fruit and he himself does not like that idea like he said earlier in the show. Swordsmanship is his strongest fighting style from what Oda has been showing.

Luffy is aiming beyond Shanks, Pirate King. Shanks is just one of the people he will surpass, not his ultimate goal like Zoro's being Mihawk.

My poin is if we saw feats from both of them then u can compare them & conclude that Sanji is stronger/better ,same logic goes for WB & dark king

No, it is the same thing. Sanji has fought against Vergo who is known for his strong BH. That does not mean Sanji's BH is better than Zoro's. Being put in a situation were you can show better feats does not mean you are better at that thing than someone else who is put in a less better situation.

Ofcourse he can stomp Luffy ..Iam not saying that he can't ...he is serious about killing Luffy & it is not a plot shield Luffy barely managed to escape from Mihawk ..it would be a plot shield if Luffy fought him in a one on one battle for abit more & survive...

You're saying Mihawk was serious which is not true. If he was serious, Luffy would have died. It's no different if Zoro was serious against Nami and she barely manages to escape. It's plotshield.

 

[-Kenshin-]

Time for my input....

For one whoever said Zoro is on Shanks level please just stop.., shanks posses a Haki that one in every million people can use which means all he would have to do is look at zoro and knock him out lol. Back to the main topic, thoe shanks is amazing and one of my favioret characters of all time him and Mihawk are equal on the same level if not shanks is maybe 1% stronger. My reason for saying this is because they have fought in the past and neither one had won the fights that rang through the Grandline . 2. During the Marineford war Mihawk refused to fight shanks meaning that there was a thought in his mind that he could die, Reguardless of how you look at it they are both pretty strong and are close to if not equals

 

[Fujitora]

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1. We don't know who won the duels between Shanks and Mihawk.
2. Mihawk specifically said that the agreement was to fight Whitebeard and his allies which Shanks is not part of.

You are correct about a fight between them being a close one, similar to that of Akainu and Aokiji had. Thinking otherwise is lacking reading comprehension.

 

[Avinash012]

It's on you to prove a negative. I'm not going to suggest something that is not hinted at. I mean, how many times have we seen someone who has a sword and used it in a serious threat situations and he can just replace that with something stronger? Never. For Shanks to actually be same like WB he would need to have a devil fruit and he himself does not like that idea like he said earlier in the show. Swordsmanship is his strongest fighting style from what Oda has been showing.

Kizaru used Swordsmanship to fight Dark king & fought WB with his normal fighiting style both are strong opponents ..now tell me Kizaru is a SM or just a random fighter with OP DF...?

WB can overpower Mihawk with his Haki even without using his DF......

Luffy is aiming beyond Shanks, Pirate King. Shanks is just one of the people he will surpass, not his ultimate goal like Zoro's being Mihawk.

Luffy admired Shanks & Zoro did the same with Mihawk ..u can't change the fact ..For Luffy Shanks is more imp than PK...What does PK being above Shanks level has to do with this..? it is like saying that Mihawk is irrelevant since Zoro is going to be future PK's first mate ...
How can u say that someone as strong as Shanks can't be a PK..?
There is no need for Luffy to be as strong as Roger to become a PK & Luffy never said that he want to Surpass Roger /want to be as strong as him but he want to surpass Shanks ..Character of Shanks woult be useless by that logic...

No, it is the same thing. Sanji has fought against Vergo who is known for his strong BH. That does not mean Sanji's BH is better than Zoro's. Being put in a situation were you can show better feats does not mean you are better at that thing than someone else who is put in a less better situation.

Sanji may fough a stronger opponent but he can't cross his limits at Haki just bcoz of a stronger opponent .How can u say that Sanji/anyone would use high level Haki against someone aloth stronger than him & will use low level Haki against someone only abit stronger /weaker than him .......

Spoiler

You're saying Mihawk was serious which is not true. If he was serious, Luffy would have died. It's no different if Zoro was serious against Nami and she barely manages to escape. It's plotshield.[/QUOTE]

U r ignoring manga just bcoz it is against u r logic ...If Zoro is serious about killing Nami then it is impossible for Nami to escape from Zoro even with a little aid from others .....right...?

 

[David1996]

Swordsman or not, Shanks is better than Mihawk.
I couldn't care less if he's a swordsman or not. And I bet you he doesn't use his sword that much when he is fighting, He has been hyped as a haki beast.

Ya, Swordsman is the category you can classify Shanks in.
But all that shit doesn't matter in a fight.
Which category you're in doesn't matter, in the end of the day it's a fight.
And the one with the better arsenal of moves wins.
And I can pretty much assure you Shanks would win.
Didn't you see the look on the faces of all the marines and pirates when Shanks arrived.

True we don't know anything about Shanks... Not yet. but hey we don't know anything about Roger. You can't say Mihawk is better than Roger.

Rinnemaki

 

[LitzSabr]

Swordsman or not, Shanks is better than Mihawk.
I couldn't care less if he's a swordsman or not. And I bet you he doesn't use his sword that much when he is fighting, He has been hyped as a haki beast.

Ya, Swordsman is the category you can classify Shanks in.
But all that shit doesn't matter in a fight.
Which category you're in doesn't matter, in the end of the day it's a fight.
And the one with the better arsenal of moves wins.
And I can pretty much assure you Shanks would win.
Didn't you see the look on the faces of all the marines and pirates when Shanks arrived.

True we don't know anything about Shanks... Not yet. but hey we don't know anything about Roger. You can't say Mihawk is better than Roger.

Rinnemaki

The Logic here is Just Absolute!!

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Swordsman or not, Shanks is better than Mihawk.
I couldn't care less if he's a swordsman or not. And I bet you he doesn't use his sword that much when he is fighting, He has been hyped as a haki beast.

Anyone on admiral tier or above is most definitely a haki beast. Haki is important in sword fights so I fail to see your point.

Ya, Swordsman is the category you can classify Shanks in.

And so is Mihawk. Since Mihawk holds the title...

But all that shit doesn't matter in a fight.

Titles do not matter ; but seeing as Shanks and Mihawk have fought countless times it is safe to say people have witnessed Mihawk win on more occasions than losing.

Which category you're in doesn't matter, in the end of the day it's a fight.

Congrats.

And the one with the better arsenal of moves wins.

So pre TS Luffy wins against Sakazuki since all Sakazuki does is punch with magma? It's a combination of every single contributing attribute which determines the victor.

And I can pretty much assure you Shanks would win.
Didn't you see the look on the faces of all the marines and pirates when Shanks arrived.

And? Did you see all the faces when Mihawk neg diff slashed clean through 1 mile + of ice? You seriously underestimate Mihawk on the basis of someones facial expression?

I would prefer fighting Mihawk (no crew mates) to Shanks and his crew. Wouldn't you? But that says nothing about the strength of the two individuals.

True we don't know anything about Shanks... Not yet. but hey we don't know anything about Roger. You can't say Mihawk is better than Roger.

We know that:
Shanks is a swordsman and a haki beast and rivals Mihawk (meaning there is never going to be a definite winner in a battle like you seem to be expressing, however in my opinion (similar to Kakashi and Gai) Mihawk would win his 100th battle when Shanks has won 99. It's that close.)

I never said Mihawk is better than Roger. By powerscaling:
MF WB was nothing compared to prime WB whom rivalled Roger. Placing Roger way above any living man today (with the exception of possibly Dragon). And by powerscaling again it's clear that strongest>strong. Correct? I prove my point (for the 500 trillionth time on this f*ckin thread)

 

[David1996]

Anyone on admiral tier or above is most definitely a haki beast. Haki is important in sword fights so I fail to see your point.

Granted. But difference in haki level.

And so is Mihawk. Since Mihawk holds the title...

Really good to know

Titles do not matter ; but seeing as Shanks and Mihawk have fought countless times it is safe to say people have witnessed Mihawk win on more occasions than losing.

That's my point. Titles don't matter. He won some he lose some.

Congrats.

Thx

So pre TS Luffy wins against Sakazuki since all Sakazuki does is punch with magma? It's a combination of every single contributing attribute which determines the victor.

Luffy is main character in OP, ofc we are going to see more moves than any other OP character. If Akainu was the main character we'd have seen many many different moves other than the punch with magma

Plus Mihawk and Shanks are non DF users, so.

And? Did you see all the faces when Mihawk neg diff slashed clean through 1 mile + of ice? You seriously underestimate Mihawk on the basis of someones facial expression?

A man who was ready to take on anyone in marineford after having clashed with yonko Kaido (The creature's name that makes DD shit himself... knowing that DD and Mihawk are close in strength)

We know that:
Shanks is a swordsman and a haki beast and rivals Mihawk (meaning there is never going to be a definite winner in a battle like you seem to be expressing, however in my opinion (similar to Kakashi and Gai) Mihawk would win his 100th battle when Shanks has won 99. It's that close.)

Why would he win the last battle ? What is it that Mihawk got that will make him defeat Shanks.

I never said Mihawk is better than Roger. By powerscaling:
MF WB was nothing compared to prime WB whom rivalled Roger. Placing Roger way above any living man today (with the exception of possibly Dragon). And by powerscaling again it's clear that strongest>strong. Correct? I prove my point (for the 500 trillionth time on this f*ckin thread)

No.
Why are comparing Roger to Dragon ?

 

[Fujitora]

A swordsman is not stronger than the world's strongest swordsman. A non swordsman may or may not be stronger than the world's strongest swordsman.

 

[David1996]

A swordsman is not stronger than the world's strongest swordsman. A non swordsman may or may not be stronger than the world's strongest swordsman.

Perfect !

 

[Bogard]

Haki is included in the swordsmanship. If Mihawk were to lose in a sword to sword battle because of inferiority in haki, he wouldn't be the WSS. The fact he is the WSS means he is the strongest even with COA included

 

[Fujitora]

Perfect !

So, Mihawk is stronger than Shanks.

Haki is included in the swordsmanship. If Mihawk were to lose in a sword to sword battle because of inferiority in haki, he wouldn't be the WSS. The fact he is the WSS means he is the strongest even with COA included

This has been said many times in the thread yet people still seem to think otherwise.

 

[David1996]

So, Mihawk is stronger than Shanks.

Nope, you said may or may not be.
Well that goes for any normal swordsman.
Shanks isn't a normal swordsman.

 

[Fujitora]

Nope, you said may or may not be.
Well that goes for any normal swordsman.
Shanks isn't a normal swordsman.

Which is what?

 

[David1996]

Surely yes. He can beat him any day.

 

[Fujitora]

Why are you saying Shanks is not a normal swordsman?

It seems like this thread has the most replies other than the stickied threads in this section.

 

[Love Cook]

I prove my point (for the 500 trillionth time on this f*ckin thread)

Well you can make all the assumptions in the world, and try to dissect every post you disagree with in this thread with a funny gif and a smartmouth reply.

But the only fact is that you don't use any evidence to prove that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks,

The only thing we see from you is: Shanks used a sword on 2 occasions to block an attack -> Makes him a swordsman -> Mihawk holds title WSSM -> Meaning Mihawk -> Shanks.

That's such a close minded view, that 12 pages of discussion can't even make you see that. I already said on a earlier point that not every character who has a sword also is a swordsman,

BB also has three guns and he used them to shoot Whitebeard, is BB a sniper now ?

BB killed the World's strongest man, does that make him the WSM now ?

No, of course not. You also keep brushing off Shanks superior haki like it has no further potential to play a more important part in the story. I very much doubt that the most unique form of haki is only a way to get rid of fodder.

There are no real feats for both of them but Shanks is ahead of Mihawk in terms of hype. But if you don't see that you're in denial.

If Mihawk had yonkou strength, why would he become a government dog and not just retire in his castle. He is a very calm man, I doubt the navy would pay him a visit, he isn't like WB or Luffy or other pirates who wreck shit up in the world.

 

[David1996]

Why are you saying Shanks is not a normal swordsman?

It seems like this thread has the most replies other than the stickied threads in this section.

A man who'd drop a 100,000 fisherman without movin a muscle isn't an ordinary swordsman.

 

[Fujitora]

A man who'd drop a 100,000 fisherman without movin a muscle isn't an ordinary swordsman.

If that's what you were referring to, Shanks still loses to Mihawk.