[Discussion] Mihawk or Doflamingo?

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Mihawk by a margin. The fight would end in medium difficulty if they ever engaged in a one on one battle which is not really doflamingo's type of fighting style. He's also behind Kuma (pre full modified), blackbeard (if he really counts), and the possibility of Weevile but I highly doubt it.
 

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Mihawk by a margin. The fight would end in medium difficulty if they ever engaged in a one on one battle which is not really doflamingo's type of fighting style. He's also behind Kuma (pre full modified), blackbeard (if he really counts), and the possibility of Weevile but I highly doubt it.
What about Kuma shows he's stronger than Doflamingo?

If you mean Shichibukai Teach(pre-Gura) there's no way he's beating Doffy either.
 

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What about Kuma shows he's stronger than Doflamingo?
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If you mean Shichibukai Teach(pre-Gura) there's no way he's beating Doffy either.
Shanks begs to diff, he's clearly stronger. By feats he beat a 550 mill guy and took out a whole island in the process and put Shanks on edge when he was the only guy to ever permanently damage Shanks. Doffy can never damage Shanks like that.
 

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What about it? Doflamingo has the speed and attack potency to get past Kuma's paws and strike his main body. Given that Zoro and Sanji can break Pacifistas and Kuma's body is made of the same stuff, it's a sure bet that Doflamingo can bust through his body rather easily as well.

Shanks begs to diff, he's clearly stronger.
We have no idea how strong Shanks was when Teach gave him the wound. For all we know, Shanks might not have even been a Yonko.

By feats he beat a 550 mill guy and took out a whole island in the process
For one, Ace has no feats that put him on par with Doflamingo. At all.

Secondly, took out a whole island? Their strongest attacks together didn't even cover half of the island, not like AoE is the only factor either.

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What about it? Doflamingo has the speed and attack potency to get past Kuma's paws and strike his main body. Given that Zoro and Sanji can break Pacifistas and Kuma's body is made of the same stuff, it's a sure bet that Doflamingo can bust through his body rather easily as well.
No he doesn't. He has nothing on speed strike against Kuma. Especially when he's fast enough to move in and out between Kizaru and Rayleigh to exchange information. Even Sengoku is aware of how fast Kuma is when he claimed the strawhats got away in comparison to Doffy who wasn't able to prevent Moriah from getting away with no questions ask on how was some like him be able to escape Doffy's grasp.
Attack power has shown island levels and I said pre full modified Kuma.
We have no idea how strong Shanks was when Teach gave him the wound. For all we know, Shanks might not have even been a Yonko.
Besides the reasonable fact the was indeed a yonkou even before Ace or Luffy came into the picture, that's not an excuse. Especially when we all use the Mihawk being yonkou level logic despite not knowing if Shanks was a yonkou and still kept up with his daily battles with Mihawk while being a yonkou. Shanks was introduced as a yonkou therefore we leave him with that status.

Regardless, even Doflamingo was incapable of damaging Shanks like that way back when if Mihawk himself could not. And Mihawk always>>>>Doffy.

For one, Ace has no feats that put him on par with Doflamingo. At all.
Never said I did. So you can hold off on that presumption for a bit. Feat wise I said Teach is better because he was able to permanently mark Shanks with a new trademark while beating a decently high level pirate. Doflamingo does not have that kind of feat.
Secondly, took out a whole island? Their strongest attacks together didn't even cover half of the island, not like AoE is the only factor either.

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Their attack took up the whole island, those boulders are just bedrocks where outside surrounding the island. And the fact that he swallowed up a town speaks for itself too.
I'm just gonna keep ignoring you like I did before from here on out, especially how touchy you get when it comes to doflamingo because you're his fanboy. So no amount of logical response on him will ever be posted on your screen.
 

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No he doesn't. He has nothing on speed strike against Kuma. Especially when he's fast enough to move in and out between Kizaru and Rayleigh to exchange information.
He moved in between them while they weren't moving/clashing against each other. Rayleigh didn't stop him because he announced he was a Revolutionary and wanted to help Luffy, and Kizaru didn't attack him because he was(using this loosely) on his side. It's not like either men were trying to stop Kuma from getting in between them, or doing anything to prevent that from happening when he did. Luffy also shot past the three Admirals while they were just standing doing nothing, does that mean Marineford Luffy is on their level of speed too?

Doflamingo on the other hand had the speed and reactions to keep up with Gear Fourth, which is faster than anything Kuma has shown, considering that pre-skip Zoro and Sanji could tag him.

Even Sengoku is aware of how fast Kuma is when he claimed the strawhats got away in comparison to Doffy who wasn't able to prevent Moriah from getting away with no questions ask on how was some like him be able to escape Doffy's grasp.
Moriah got away from Doflamingo because Doflamingo didn't care. As soon as Moriah turned invisible, Doffy dropped the situation and left. It's not like he was deadset on pursuing Moriah.

Attack power has shown island levels and I said pre full modified Kuma.
Pre-modified Kuma, brainless Kuma, won't make a difference.

Besides the reasonable fact the was indeed a yonkou even before Ace or Luffy came into the picture, that's not an excuse. Especially when we all use the Mihawk being yonkou level logic despite not knowing if Shanks was a yonkou and still kept up with his daily battles with Mihawk while being a yonkou. Shanks was introduced as a yonkou therefore we leave him with that status.
That doesn't apply though. We know Mihawk and Shanks had their famous duel when they were adults. We don't know if Shanks got his scar as an adult, or as a teenager, or as a rookie on his own career. You can't say that Shanks got the scar while he had the power of an Emperor.

Regardless, even Doflamingo was incapable of damaging Shanks like that way back when if Mihawk himself could not. And Mihawk always>>>>Doffy.
So you really think Blackbeard with just a plain claw and no Devil Fruit>Mihawk?


Never said I did.
You definitely did by saying "Teach beat a 550 million dollar guy." You implied that Teach beating Ace is evidence that he would beat Doflamingo, which can only be the case if you're suggesting that Ace is on Doffy's level, when the contrary has been shown instead.

So you can hold off on that presumption for a bit. Feat wise I said Teach is better because he was able to permanently mark Shanks with a new trademark while beating a decently high level pirate. Doflamingo does not have that kind of feat.
The Shanks thing can't be used as a feat because there is no evidence regarding when the situation took place. Beating Ace also isn't much of an argument because Doflamingo would have beaten Ace too by feats.
Their attack took up the whole island, those boulders are just bedrocks where outside surrounding the island.
My G...you can see parts of the island expanding past the bedrock...the bed rock is on the island. Ace and Teach's attacks together didn't even leave the epicenter of the island.

You can even see that better here with the digitally colored manga.

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