Might Guy VS Killer B

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Gai doesn't having anything which is going to harm Killer Bee in his v2 form, regardless of whether or not the former can keep pace. Base Kisame survived Hirudora [

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] but had his insides blown to pieces by Bee's Lariat [

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]. I don't know how Gai expects to damage his opponent because he sure as hell won't accomplish anything with these taijutsu or melee-based assaults. The hyped Kusanagi no Tsurugi couldn't even pierce Naruto's 4-tailed Kyūbi shroud.

Continuous Bijūdama or the like is overkill.

Another one underrating Gai . With that taijutsu you say? you know how deadly his taijutsu is? do you know how fast he is? LMAO.

 

[OnPoint]

Another one underrating Gai . With that taijutsu you say? you know how deadly his taijutsu is? do you know how fast he is? LMAO.

> Hirudora was tanked by base Kisame
> Kisame had his insides blown to pieces by a v2 Lariat
> Kusanagi no Tsurugi, which can damage diamond hard materials, cannot pierce the shroud
> A shroud which allowed Naruto to tank his own Bijūdama [

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> Gates is not a permanent power up and is stomped in a battle of attrition by the Hachibi's host

And yet you think Gai is harming Bee with taijutsu alone. Laughable.

 

[elsepa]

> Hirudora was tanked by base Kisame
> Kisame had his insides blown to pieces by a v2 Lariat
> Kusanagi no Tsurugi, which can damage diamond hard materials, cannot pierce the shroud
> A shroud which allowed Naruto to tank his own Bijūdama [

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> Gates is not a permanent power up and is stomped in a battle of attrition by the Hachibi's host

And yet you think Gai is harming Bee with taijutsu alone. Laughable.

-Hirudora wasn't really aiming Kisame , when he opened the 7th gate it was just to take the sharks in one blow to get the intel, that's clearly shown as he is stading above him , he could have killed him right there but he did not.

-Where was it stated that he had is insides blown to pieces?

-The full Hachibi was taken down by a noob MS Sasuke with Amaterasu.So we can say Amaterasu>Bijuudama?

-Gates are not a permanent power up , you are right , but we don't know how much time he can sustain them as he wins quickly after he uses them .Even tho he has never shown signs of tiredness.

 

[fastrthnwind]

> Hirudora was tanked by base Kisame
> Kisame had his insides blown to pieces by a v2 Lariat
> Kusanagi no Tsurugi, which can damage diamond hard materials, cannot pierce the shroud
> A shroud which allowed Naruto to tank his own Bijūdama [

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> Gates is not a permanent power up and is stomped in a battle of attrition by the Hachibi's host

And yet you think Gai is harming Bee with taijutsu alone. Laughable.

>Kisame was paralyzed and couldn't do anything but twitch one finger. And Gai wasn't even aiming for him, just to blow the sharks away
>Lariat is a penetrating/slicing maneuver. Hirudora uses air pressure to cause blunt force trauma
>Who said anything about piercing? Ever heard of Blunt Force Trauma?
>Gai will go for vulnerable points, which includes the eyes. Cant hit what you cant see.
>A few seconds is all Gai needs to gouge out the Hachibis eyes and permanently cripple Bee from seeing.

 

[OnPoint]

-Hirudora wasn't really aiming Kisame , when he opened the 7th gate it was just to take the sharks in one blow to get the intel, that's clearly shown as he is stading above him , he could have killed him right there but he did not.

Hirudora wasn't aiming at Kisame you say? Look at the attack properly [

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]. It is going straight towards Kisame. Yes, it left him injured, but it didn't 'destroy' him. Kisame is, of course, less durable than Bee's v2 Jinchūriki form, as feats tell.

-Where was it stated that he had is insides blown to pieces?

You can see the man's ribs. From a physical attack, his ribs were left exposed. Remembering that this is the same man who's body was still intact after Gai's trump card (Hirudora) was used.

-The full Hachibi was taken down by a noob MS Sasuke with Amaterasu.So we can say Amaterasu>Bijuudama?

An Amaterasu of that size would obviously do him damage in that state. The two techniques aren't comparable. One burns the other incinerates. The Hachibi took a direct hit from its own Bijūdama as it faced the Jūbi and it still lived to tell the tale. The point here is, although that v2 form has less fire power than the full Bijū, its shroud clearly offers the user greater protection and resistance to pain.

-Gates are not a permanent power up , you are right , but we don't know how much time he can sustain them as he wins quickly after he uses them .Even tho he has never shown signs of tiredness.

Exactly. You don't know.

 

[OnPoint]

>Kisame was paralyzed and couldn't do anything but twitch one finger. And Gai wasn't even aiming for him, just to blow the sharks away

Base Kisame felt the full force of the attack. And he survived.

>Lariat is a penetrating/slicing maneuver. Hirudora uses air pressure to cause blunt force trauma

So, Hirudora, while unable to completely destroy Kisame's body, is going to somehow best a Kusanagi repelling, Bijūdama resisting shroud?

>Who said anything about piercing? Ever heard of Blunt Force Trauma?

It can't hurt him in that form. It's that simple. The Kusanagi no Tsurugi (which can injure even Enma) can't do it. A Bijūdama can't do it.

>Gai will go for vulnerable points, which includes the eyes. Cant hit what you cant see.

He's going to take out its eyes [

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>A few seconds is all Gai needs to gouge out the Hachibis eyes and permanently cripple Bee from seeing.

About the same time it took Bee to fire off 4 Bijūdamas.

 

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Hirudora wasn't aiming at Kisame you say? Look at the attack properly [

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]. It is going straight towards Kisame. Yes, it left him injured, but it didn't 'destroy' him. Kisame is, of course, less durable than Bee's v2 Jinchūriki form, as feats tell.



You can see the man's ribs. From a physical attack, his ribs were left exposed. Remembering that this is the same man who's body was still intact after Gai's trump card (Hirudora) was used.



An Amaterasu of that size would obviously do him damage in that state. The two techniques aren't comparable. One burns the other incinerates. The Hachibi took a direct hit from its own Bijūdama as it faced the Jūbi and it still lived to tell the tale. The point here is, although that v2 form has less fire power than the full Bijū, its shroud clearly offers the user greater protection and resistance to pain.



Exactly. You don't know.

Gai himself said he wanted to take the sharks in one blow , he didn't even mind about Kisame at all.
Again , i repeat , he wanted to get intel from Kisame.What if he destroyed Kisame? he could not get any intel from him.If he really wanted to kill Kisame he would have done it after he could barely move a finger. That "you don't know" is super retareded cause you don't know either as he has never been exhausted from the gates. *facepalm*

 

[AmazonKiller]

Hirudora wasn't aiming at Kisame you say? Look at the attack properly [

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]. It is going straight towards Kisame. Yes, it left him injured, but it didn't 'destroy' him. Kisame is, of course, less durable than Bee's v2 Jinchūriki form, as feats tell.



You can see the man's ribs. From a physical attack, his ribs were left exposed. Remembering that this is the same man who's body was still intact after Gai's trump card (Hirudora) was used.



An Amaterasu of that size would obviously do him damage in that state. The two techniques aren't comparable. One burns the other incinerates. The Hachibi took a direct hit from its own Bijūdama as it faced the Jūbi and it still lived to tell the tale. The point here is, although that v2 form has less fire power than the full Bijū, its shroud clearly offers the user greater protection and resistance to pain.



Exactly. You don't know.

The Hirudora was aimed at the sharks he couldnt get with asakujaku so he could get the scroll. Kisame just happened to be in its path when Gai used it and it still left him unable to lift more than a finger.

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As it was explained Hirudora does massive internal damage through a pressure wave, same principle as Vacuum Palm.
Lariat is a blunt force physical hit. Hirudora would destroy your insides, not your physical shell.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Base Kisame felt the full force of the attack. And he survived.



So, Hirudora, while unable to completely destroy Kisame's body, is going to somehow best a Kusanagi repelling, Bijūdama resisting shroud?



It can't hurt him in that form. It's that simple. The Kusanagi no Tsurugi (which can injure even Enma) can't do it. A Bijūdama can't do it.



He's going to take out its eyes [

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]? The story becomes more absurd.



About the same time it took Bee to fire off 4 Bijūdamas.

> He felt partial force because they were underwater and Kisame launched his own jutsu at it, which means that his jutsu and the water GREATLY cushioned the blow. We are talking about a techniques whose blast radius dwarfs the Turtle island itself.

> Read above.

> He isn't invincible. He can be hurt. Period. Blunt force trauma is enough.

> Oh so when facing something that can tank practically anything your just gonna sit there and let it kill you? No you would go for ANY weak points on the body INCLUDING the eyes.

>Gai moves WAAAAYY faster than anyone can launch a biju dama. He could literally blitz around them if he wanted to.

 

[OnPoint]

Gai himself said he wanted to take the sharks in one blow , he didn't even mind about Kisame at all.

That's what he said wanted to happen. But what actually happened? Kisame felt the full force of the attack, that's what.

Again , i repeat , he wanted to get intel from Kisame.What if he destroyed Kisame? he could not get any intel from him.If he really wanted to kill Kisame he would have done it after he could barely move a finger. That "you don't know" is super retareded cause you don't know either as he has never been exhausted from the gates. *facepalm*

lol no. Gai needed to stop Kisame from escaping with information regarding Naruto's status. The simple fact that he wasn't destroyed meant that they were able to take advantage of the situation and gather intel from him. Hirudora didn't obliterate Kisame, that's the point.

The only facepalm here is for the guy who thinks Gai's chakra reserves exceed the Hachibi's.

 

[AmazonKiller]

Base Kisame felt the full force of the attack. And he survived.

So, Hirudora, while unable to completely destroy Kisame's body, is going to somehow best a Kusanagi repelling, Bijūdama resisting shroud?

It can't hurt him in that form. It's that simple. The Kusanagi no Tsurugi (which can injure even Enma) can't do it. A Bijūdama can't do it.

He's going to take out its eyes [

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]? The story becomes more absurd.

About the same time it took Bee to fire off 4 Bijūdamas.

See above posts, wasn't trying to kill him only retrieve the scroll and get information out of Kisame.
You cant interrogate the dead.

Again, it isnt meant to destroy your body on the outside. Outwardly you may not be too banged up but your inner workings would be beyond hope of survival.

Yes, the eyes are one of the most vunerable ares of the body, a Biju's massive size just makes it easier for a blow to land there from a skilled fighter. You cant fight blind, or not with any hope of defeating a CQC master.

And do you really think Gai will just wait around and stay still so B can hit him? Laughable.

 

[AmazonKiller]

That's what he said wanted to happen. But what actually happened? Kisame felt the full force of the attack, that's what.



lol no. Gai needed to stop Kisame from escaping with information regarding Naruto's status. The simple fact that he wasn't destroyed meant that they were able to take advantage of the situation and gather intel from him. Hirudora didn't obliterate Kisame, that's the point.

The only facepalm here is for the guy who thinks Gai's chakra reserves exceed the Hachibi's.

No he didn't feel the full brunt of it, first the water was in the way. Second there were the shark summons and third he launches his own jutsu that wrestled with it. SO really he felt maybe half of it at best even when he was not the target and was crippled.

... you dense bastard, its not meant to obliterate someone like a TBB. It destroys you on the inside like Rasenshuriken or Vacuum Palm. not your outer body like TBB or Amaterasu.

Who ever said Gai has more chakra?

 

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bee mid diff.

 

[OnPoint]

The Hirudora was aimed at the sharks he couldnt get with asakujaku so he could get the scroll. Kisame just happened to be in its path when Gai used it and it still left him unable to lift more than a finger.

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That's the point Einstein. He said he'd take out the sharks but he actually ended up firing right at Kisame. What he meant to do and what he actually did are two different things.

As it was explained Hirudora does massive internal damage through a pressure wave, same principle as Vacuum Palm.
Lariat is a blunt force physical hit. Hirudora would destroy your insides, not your physical shell.

So that's why Kisame was still able to do this [

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]? Because, you know, he'd been critically injured as you say. IIRC Kisame needed Samehada to help him heal the damage from the wound caused by Bee's arm.

> He felt partial force because they were underwater and Kisame launched his own jutsu at it, which means that his jutsu and the water GREATLY cushioned the blow. We are talking about a techniques whose blast radius dwarfs the Turtle island itself.

Actually, you should know that explosions underwater exert far stronger pressures and travel longer distances than their land counterparts. If anything, being underwater made the technique stronger. Bigger than the entire island you say? Yikes.

> He isn't invincible. He can be hurt. Period. Blunt force trauma is enough.

He can be hurt. But not from the likes of Hirudora.

> Oh so when facing something that can tank practically anything your just gonna sit there and let it kill you? No you would go for ANY weak points on the body INCLUDING the yes.

No, he'll just lose because he's weaker. He can't permanently incapacitate Bee nor can he survive Bee's strongest attacks.

>Gai moves WAAAAYY faster than anyone can launch a biju dama. He could literally blitz around them if he wanted to.

You just said Gai would take a few seconds trying to 'gauge Bee's eyes out'. How's he now blitzing Bijūdamas, which took mere seconds to load, whilst completing this action?

 

[OnPoint]

See above posts, wasn't trying to kill him only retrieve the scroll and get information out of Kisame.
You cant interrogate the dead.

No, he tried to stop him escaping with the intel by any means necessary. The fact that Hirudora didn't destroy him allowed the team to take advantage of the situation and extract information from Kisame instead.

Again, it isnt meant to destroy your body on the outside. Outwardly you may not be too banged up but your inner workings would be beyond hope of survival.

Which is why Kisame, without Samehada's help, still had enough strength to break apart the Mokuton Stocks which Yamato was using to suppress his chakra.

Yes, the eyes are one of the most vunerable ares of the body, a Biju's massive size just makes it easier for a blow to land there from a skilled fighter. You cant fight blind, or not with any hope of defeating a CQC master.

I know what eyes are. I know what periods of time were quoted. And I also know how quickly Bee managed to set off his Continuous Bijūdama. What, Bee's going to sit there whilst Gai patiently tries to gauge both his eyes out? lol.

And do you really think Gai will just wait around and stay still so B can hit him? Laughable.

It doesn't matter what Gai does. He can't permanently injure his foe (particularly when in v2 mode) without being critically injured himself and he doesn't stand a chance at winning the battle of attrition.

No he didn't feel the full brunt of it, first the water was in the way. Second there were the shark summons and third he launches his own jutsu that wrestled with it. SO really he felt maybe half of it at best even when he was not the target and was crippled.

The attack went straight through Daikōdan and hit Kisame. Chakra isn't limited by the medium through which it travels. Explosions under water are stronger than explosions on land.

... you dense bastard, its not meant to obliterate someone like a TBB. It destroys you on the inside like Rasenshuriken or Vacuum Palm. not your outer body like TBB or Amaterasu.

Thus implying that Hirudora is stronger or more difficult to tank than the Bijūdama. Bastard? Oh dear. Keep this up and soon I might only bother replying to fastrthnwind.

Who ever said Gai has more chakra?

The confused lad who thought Gai's gates might last anywhere near as long as the Hachibi's chakra.

 

[Strict]

... you dense bastard, its not meant to obliterate someone like a TBB.

Start to enjoy that debate. May I be your judge?

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Hope this wasn't already addressed, as I didn't take the time to read all that was said in this thread after my last post. But I believe, Morning Peacock>Hirudora as far as what causes more precise damage and more deadly.

Kisame did in fact tank Hirudora, that is a fact. However, Kisame did not tank Morning Peacock. With a significant amount of bone crushing punches per second, Morning Peacock completely obliterated Kisames insides as well as setting his body ablaze.

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This was an identical clone of Kisame, which means the same amount of durability [

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]. So if it were to be the real Kisame, who tanked Hirudora and V2 skull Bee lariat, he would of been dead by this Morning Peacock. Gai is being extremely underrated here. His kick alone is comparable in strength to that of tsunade [

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This fight is no where near a stomp for Bee.

 

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His kick alone is comparable in strength to that of tsunade [

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Did I say precisely the same or comparable? Unlike the scan with Tsunade, we can't even see the entirety of the damage dealt by Gai anyways.

 

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The confused lad who thought Gai's gates might last anywhere near as long as the Hachibi's chakra.

No one did , you just make up things.This proves you know nothing about Gai . The gates don't take chakra , they take stamina , the more stamina you have , the longer you can keep them up.