^ I really don't care whether you believe Tsunade wins or loses. I just wanted to correct you on this.
^ Because he has never shown to spam it in one go.
To be honest, I think Tsunade wins. Flame me.
This same thread or a new one? :S Gai ain't killing her ever unless 8th gate(night moth) unless we think air pressure will kill. Other gates aren't spammable without proof to say he can wear her down before he himself tires his own body from gate use. Gates have time out in between and so eh.
The only thing people probably have is the head claims which has nothing to back it up other than angry ppl. But w/e
Where was the limitation mentioned? He only needed 1 hirudora to put down kisame. Did Gai say he can't use more than 1 hirudora?
For starters, people are assuming he goes 6 or 7 gates straight away. Gai can start off in 5 gates which is more than fast enough to overwhelm Tsuande in speed. Increase to 6 and then 7 once he has done enough damage to her skull.
We know Gai is capable of increasing his gates because part 1 lee had done it from 1-5 plus . If Gai doesn't use hidden lotus or morning peacock and saves the grand finale till 7th gate then i don't see how Tsunades mitotic regeneration can keep up from the stopped in which the damage is being inflicted. Lets not forget he can change gates when she is most vulnerable, just hot Lee did to gaara while doing hidden lotus. He changed from the 4th gate to the fifth gate at a certain timeYou must be registered for see linksOnce gai hits 3 gatesYou must be registered for see links(extreeme lotus) Tsunade will not be able to keep up with that level of speed. Even Kakashi with 3T was overwhealmed by the sheer speed of only the 4th gateYou must be registered for see links. Tsunade will be in the same predicament as Gaara, unable to predict or react to his movementsYou must be registered for see links-You must be registered for see links. By simply moving forward it was so fast it was illustrated as a flashYou must be registered for see links. Oh lets just remind ourselves that Gai himself stated that a Gates userYou must be registered for see links
It took Sand armour to absorb most of the impact but even then Gaara had sufferedYou must be registered for see links. Your telling me that Tsunade will withstand the assault TO THE HEAD that Gaara WITH sand armour (i will gladly show anyone scan of how durable sand is) took ? Not to mention Gai would be starting in at least the 5th gate. Gai has also been shown to withstand the pressure of the gates at various times in the manga and even the precious databook that some people so happily refer to, said that he has a body of steel.
I dont care what any fanboy wants to say, there is a limit to how fast Tsuande can regenerate.
For starters, people are assuming he goes 6 or 7 gates straight away. Gai can start off in 5 gates which is more than fast enough to overwhelm Tsuande in speed. Increase to 6 and then 7 once he has done enough damage to her skull.
We know Gai is capable of increasing his gates because part 1 lee had done it from 1-5 plus . If Gai doesn't use hidden lotus or morning peacock and saves the grand finale till 7th gate then i don't see how Tsunades mitotic regeneration can keep up from the stopped in which the damage is being inflicted. Lets not forget he can change gates when she is most vulnerable, just hot Lee did to gaara while doing hidden lotus. He changed from the 4th gate to the fifth gate at a certain timeYou must be registered for see linksOnce gai hits 3 gatesYou must be registered for see links(extreeme lotus) Tsunade will not be able to keep up with that level of speed. Even Kakashi with 3T was overwhealmed by the sheer speed of only the 4th gateYou must be registered for see links. Tsunade will be in the same predicament as Gaara, unable to predict or react to his movementsYou must be registered for see links-You must be registered for see links. By simply moving forward it was so fast it was illustrated as a flashYou must be registered for see links. Oh lets just remind ourselves that Gai himself stated that a Gates userYou must be registered for see links
It took Sand armour to absorb most of the impact but even then Gaara had sufferedYou must be registered for see links. Your telling me that Tsunade will withstand the assault TO THE HEAD that Gaara WITH sand armour (i will gladly show anyone scan of how durable sand is) took ? Not to mention Gai would be starting in at least the 5th gate. Gai has also been shown to withstand the pressure of the gates at various times in the manga and even the precious databook that some people so happily refer to, said that he has a body of steel.
I dont care what any fanboy wants to say, there is a limit to how fast Tsuande can regenerate.
You must be registered for see links- Kisame's Clone was at 30% with all bodily stats. Let's see Gai's Morning Peacock Feats:
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You must be registered for see links- Didn't Obliterate a 30% clones body.
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His Afternoon Tiger didn't obliterate Kisame's body:
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I never even claimed anything in regards to Tsunade's speed or slighted Gai's power. Get a good pair of glasses. I said she can endure till the Gate's duration runs out. As the shift between Gates isn't instant - far from it - she can heal the damage done during the lag.
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He said " taijutsu that can't be touched" as in "taijutsu that nothing can compare to" not that the user can't be touched. only mistake i noticed though good post man
Dude show me a scan of the gates attacks ripping a body apart, it doesnt happen, Tsunade perfectly heals from his attacks. What you dont understand about that is beyond me.
Also what is his counter to Katsuyu?
In regards to Might Guy not being able to destroy/obliterate a 30% kisame clone, that's not neccesarly true. According to this scan that you provided, itachi clearly states that the clones have they exact same body and that the only thing that is different is the chakra levels and chakra strength. If the clones possess the same body, then they have the same body durability as the originals.
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And its possible that the morning peacock would have burnt kisame to a crisp (to death), but he fell into water, which put out the flame, so there is no way of knowing for sure.
Just wanted to point that out in case you didn't notice.
I never disputed it, but the clones seem to be at 30% in proportion in regards to strength and Stamina as well. If strength of the body is at 30%, it clearly means that the body lacks the resilience and strength of the original. So in conclusion, it doesn't match the original.
Possibility, yes. A certainty? No.
^ Look, I am in no mood to drag this on myself. The clones are chameleonic in nature and their overall strength and Chakra potency is determined by the amount of chakra invested in them. The Jutsu and Strength are separated. Kisame doesn't state that 'the Jutsu and its strength' he separates them, which leads to a solid implication of the body's overall status.
Anyways, this is my final argument in this thread. I have said my piece.
To answer your questions
1. He was referring to her healing abilities, there has been no one to just regenerate liek her she is th eonly one to hit the pinical of Med nin hence why he said she is no ordinary personYou must be registered for see linksShe said the same about Kabuto :sYou must be registered for see linksTheir ability to counteract each other moves takes skill and experience. Once of which both participants had. They refer to them as Genius's.
2-3. Ive already answered this. I have said that she is at least half senju and that may be helping her hence the slightly above human durability (not that much lets not get happy) and that aided with the automatic Healing helps her survive the transport with minimal injuries. The healing process slows down the damaging process long enough for her to be transported. If you recall i never said her durability was low i just said its not as great as you guys are making it out to be, her healing plays a big part in it.
Sasuke. Someone with MS at the time couldnt even keep up with ay and Needed Eton as compensationYou must be registered for see linksPlus before Ay went above base speed and into Lightning armour it was even stated not even sasuek will be able to keep up which was provenYou must be registered for see linksWhat makes you think someone lacking in that Dojutsu could even comprehend what was going on in that fight? If Sasuke cant even see where Ay was going how does Tsunade pull of this feat. Like i said she said she was surprised that naruto could keep up implying that she cant, hence the shocked expression.
Do you think Shes some sort of Lizard? she can not regenerate a new bottom half because it would kill her. To regenerate so fast would mean allowing the cells to overwork and the lifespan of the regeneration to over exert. Its not about chakra but how much times she can regenerate. This is why katsuya needed to get the body back, so that wasn't necessary and thus maintaining her life. Of course chakra had something to do with it but she was mostly doing it because she couldn't.
I know this is a weird example but have you tired spinning around really fast with your arms out and then feel as if your arms would drop off and start to hurt a bit? to to amplify it by light speed of course it would be damn deadly but the issue here is that that and Morning peacock are two different things causing different types of damages. Receive a series of Condensed punches to the skull (Assuming he has knowledge of her healign ability) And she isn't getting back up. Keeping in mind the fatigue of 6 gates isnt as deadly to gai than 7 obviously.
Not even close, you apparently just don't know how to interpret manga. Tsunade said he's no ordinary medic ninja, applying to his use of the chakra scalpel. However, Tsunade had performed no medical ninjutsu at the point that Kabuto said she's no ordinary person. HE then goes on to talk about how an ordinary person wouldn't be able to move, indicating he is obviously discussing durability.
All your attempting to do here is downplay Tsunade. But she obviously has more than slightly above average human durability given she didn't activate her seal until she arrived to the battlefield. Whereas, those with average human durability died before reaching the battlefield, cut to pieces. As opposed to what Tsunade referred to as minor injuries. You're simply prejudiced against Tsunade and you're doing your best to try and downplay her feats. IT's ok, but let's not pass of fancfiction as cannon.
Um Tsunade grew up in an age of war, let's not forget that when people were far more power than this now, and she has a crapton more experience that Sasuke. But even assuming she didn't, the fact remains, that Tsunade was able to coordinate attacks with a V2 Ay, which I don't think is possible if you can't see them. Further Bee, who has no doujutsu was able to keep up with V1 Ay no problem no just visibly but physically as well. The fact that Sasuke was overwhelmed isn't proof that everyone would be overwhelmed, because all of the gokage, gaara, excluded performed combos with Ay. And people beyond the precious Uchiha have been able to see him.
You literally have no validation for that claim, you just made it up on the spot. You don't know how much Tsunade has left in her lifespan. It takes less chakra to heal something back together than to grow a whole new one. There's no real reason on should regrow something if they have the means of putting it back together. Tsunade states that normal healing of the mystical palm sort takes a lot of chakra. Why would she waste chakra growing a lower half, when she is able to use her remaining chakra to follow her nindo as a medical ninja.
That's just a bad example, because the speed of light would rip a person a part, and destroy bones, as per the cutting force of the wind. When someone travels the speed of light, what they would show as would essentially be ribbons of who they were. The damage that would be dealt is on a completely different scale than what sixth gate guy can push out. Especially considering directly after the attack Kisame's clone still looked to be alive. She not only has durability she has a contingency plan of healing, which realistically Gai can't overcome.
You're wrong here. One your interpretation is off, why? Because Tsunade was talking about him being a medical ninja, but she only saw him use one technique of the medical corps. Therefore, it stands to reason what she was therefore talking about, was his skill with the only technique she'd seen. She didn't need to say scalpel, because there was literally nothing else she could be talking about. But that was never the main point in the first place. The point was, Tsunade hadn't used any medical ninjutsu when Kabuto said she isn't an ordinary person, and when he said that a regular person would be barely moving. You're assuming she healed because an average person shouldn't be able to move given her injuries yet she could. And that's the entire reason that Kabuto said she's not a normal person. It has no connection, with her medical jutsu. It was a statement of durability. They were not complimenting each other on medical prowess. He didn't see her medical prowess until she had saved Naruto, from an attack that he thought couldn't be fixed.My interpretation is bang on actually as i am not just analysing one or two pages but the whole fight, Of course she had to have used some form of medical ninjutsu because he sliced her bicep and abdomen muscle with the scapelYou must be registered for see links. Let me quickly mention that once Kabuto had first pulled out his scaples she wasnt shock that he pulled them out but simply acknowledged that he was a medical ninjaYou must be registered for see links. keeping in ind Kabuto admitted that his scaples are weaker than your average scapel [reffer to last link] She then said he's no ordinary ninja when he applied his amazing skill and instinctYou must be registered for see linksNot once did she refer to the scalpels.
Perhaps your not a Tsunade hater, but if you're not a Tsunade hater, that means that instead of actively ignoring facts, you just aren't aware of them.Mate if i was downplaying Tsunade i would have blindly said she has poor durbility but instead i have aknowleded it and taken into account her lineage and its abilities. They have been known for their durable bodies but since we have no knowledge of her parent we have to assume that at most she is half senju. Why half? because we know her grandfather is hashirama. She has shown that she can heal by herself without the need of byakugo and im saying the durability that she does have along with healing slows down the damaging process.
hypothetical Example:
something is cutting her up 40dmg per second
she heals 20dmg per second
Her durability which cuts it by a further 5dmg
So in turn she is slowing down the damaging process long enough for the transport to be over. If you remember its light speed so she isn't there for long. now do you see my point. If you would stop being ignorant and treating me as a Tsunade hater which downplays abilities just because i don't like the character then you will make sense of what im trying to say. Im not going to give her feats that haven't even been implied or explicitly stated or illustrated.
So, perhaps this is my fault, I was speaking of combat experience, and not of knowledge. Those are different matters entirely and they do effect reaction speed, I could know exactly how fast a particular kung fuist punches, but whether I can evade that punch is based on how much of used the skill of battling. For instance, when I first met my grandmaster, he performed a move that I did not see happen. Only the end result. Now, after several years, in my system I can see and react to more things in his arsenal, because of experience.I could know how fast something is for 10 years and on the 11th year still be in the same position i was 10 years ago. Because she has the experience doesn't mean she can comprehend speed. That is ludicrous. Show me a scan that explicitly or strongly implicates that she could co-ordinate his speed because so far i have seen minimal backative on your part. and dont show me the scan where she says Naruto is able to keep up because she didnt say she could keep up and her expressions further go against your statement. She also comments o the speed of NarutoYou must be registered for see linksdoes this mean she can co-ordinate his speed too?
And comparing Bee to Tsuande OR Sasuke is irrelavant as he is faster than MS sasuke and furthemore Even bee struggled to keep up with Ay and had to use the power of hachibi as compensation.You must be registered for see linksand just in case you want to bring up the lariat incident, they both had the intent of the same move and was moving in a straight line thus no room for error. Bee is fast enough to react to any sudden movements he makes due to hachibiYou must be registered for see links
I have literally proven more than once that no one can keep up going against Ay. Hell even EMS madara had trouble keeping up against Ay's speedYou must be registered for see linksand again, because he wasnt fast enough to react he used susano'oYou must be registered for see linksThe combos that were performed were carefully performed. Once Mei done lava ay then moved in.
You stated that because Tsunade didn't do it that she couldn't do it. I was merely remarking on her doing it, would be counter productive to her actual goal. Which was not survival.Now your just being an idiot and i have to use that word because its common sense that it would take more regenerating and more chakra to regenerate a whole lower half than to heal/ fuse back the two halves together. Common sense doesn't need to be clarified in the manga for me to know it. The fact that she has already used CR and turned into an old woman in P1 and has continued to do heavy regenerating since then means if she were to regenerate half of her body back together again that it would have some serious consequence. the fact that she was bleeding out and her veins had bee severed means she would have died regardless if it wasn't for katsuya. If she were to regenerate the veins there wouldn't be connected untill the whole body is regenerated thus the bleeding continuing anyway. And my point exactly. A jutsu like that would take up most of if not all of her chakra. and the pace at which she heals at it would be a waste even if she tried.
I would say that morning peacock works in the same way as multiple quick fire gunshots. Because of the recoil it's impossible to hit in the exact same place quickly. So if you did a double tap using a gun, the second bullet wouldn't go through the same whole has the first. That is the reason the peacock effect is created is because Guy's hands won't land in the same spot with each punch.Difference with the kisame thing is that they wasn't focused on one point and he didn't have the intent to kill kisame at the time. Reffer to the contrast of their second and last encounter. If her brain isn't functioning properly then it affects her regeneration. Its that simple.
Um...Jiraiya's battle with animal path? Also as Katsuyu is a piece of her power, then, it's still her fight.Shes hiding not fighting.
Guess what? if shes not fighting no one wins you imbecile. Like i said thats not a fight.
Orochimaru didn't realize Tsunade had stopped the attack until after he had cut as far as he could into her. He was stationary, I draw this conclusion based on the fact, that in the scans in which he was using his mouth to cut, his hair is always active. But when he realizes that he's cut Tsunade his hair is partially draped over his face.If there were no episodes to further prove my point i would be at fault but in the episode he stops attacking when he realizes that it wasn't naruto that he hit. If you think im making this shit up please have a look. That is just the portrayal of that part and since its images we cant see it properly. Your statement would suggest her bones are harder than normal bone.
PS: if he was going for a 360 attack that would have gone through her