Might Gai vs Tsunade

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not even near the point.
His 8th gate strike was obviously harder than Tsunade's, that's not even worth discussing.
The real question is if Gai has to go 8th gate, And there is obviously a divide among those who consider suicide techs to be a win and those who consider it a tie.

Characters seem to hold their objectives in higher regard than most things including result.

As far as manga presented it is far different from "VS" logic people use here, we make simple intents like "kill" "capture" etc. while characters have things like "protecting village" "defending loved ones" "prooving nindou" "getting acknowledged" etc. as their objectives.

So using a suicidal move is a victory or not depending on what is the scenario.
For ex. if in a scenario Gai fights with someone who wants to kill Lee, and his objective is to protect him at all costs & can only take down the enemy with 8th gate, it is regarded as victory.
Or if you put Gai with a team such as "Gai & Gaara vs Hashirama" and Hashirama gets taken down at cost of Gai's life but Gaara survives, virtually Gai's team has the victory.

 

[Yolobito Swagchiha]

Gai stomps her.

5th gate kicks with Bijuu Cloak can cleave bodies into peices and she can't react to that speed. Relentless attacks and she will lay in pieces.

Fixed in bold.

 

[Tazzilla88]

gai wont have to go 8th gate to win it. 6th of 7th gate will easily overwhelm her and I would even suggest that using lower gates would be enough. her durability is nowhere on the level of jubidara and would be far more susceptible to being completely torn up.

By what? Please show me the feats of these techniques below 8th gate that will leave her torn up?
Here Daytime Tiger's force reversed back onto Gai leaving him on the ground.

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and yet he only has broken bones

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which is consistent with Kisame's injuries

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And Kisame like Gai gains the ability to move again without healing.
Now we've also seen Gai's seventh gate punch and it certainly isn't enough to take Tsunade out.

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And there's no way if that's all the damage seventh gate punches do, that Gai's sixth gate punches will do more harm. Thus 8th gate or Morning Peacock are all that last as options. But I highly doubt morning peacock will be particularly effective.

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So I ask again for you to show me these feats that suggest Tsunade will be incapable of holding her own, from gates 1-7

 

[Karin Uzumaki]

Tsunade wins

 

[Strict]

Also Tsunade has her chances even if you don't restrict 8 eights. So, yeah.

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So if Deidara uses c0 is he automatically the loser? His heart explodes before he explosion reaches his opponent, ergo he dies before his opponent. His opponent is the last man standing, even if they die in the explosion. Therefore, C0 is a tie technique its a lose technique no?

Let us not start with that bean counting.. C0 is a tie, as that one shot ends his life. The night moth (guy) is a tie, as it's his final shot and ends his life.
But the 8th gate is not a tie in the proper sense, it's rather a win in exchange of his life.. He could continue to fight for a extended period, while he would kill Tsunade at the first moment. No matter if he dies later, he won the battle.

 

[Bronze]

Using a suicide technique don't make Gai the winner. But non of the less, Gai would win via 6th or 7th gate.

 

[Karin Uzumaki]

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Let us not start with that bean counting.. C0 is a tie, as that one shot ends his life. The night moth (guy) is a tie, as it's his final shot and ends his life.
But the 8th gate is not a tie in the proper sense, it's rather a win in exchange of his life.. He could continue to fight for a extended period, while he would kill Tsunade at the first moment. No matter if he dies later, he won the battle.

He can't kill her or remotely put her down. His only move that can rip her limbs off is his last move

But katsuyu kills guy. Tsunade just hides inside katsuyu and if guy punches through katsuyu tsunade will transfer her killing medical ninjustu and KO him

Taijustu users loose to tsunade or Sakura.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Characters seem to hold their objectives in higher regard than most things including result.

As far as manga presented it is far different from "VS" logic people use here, we make simple intents like "kill" "capture" etc. while characters have things like "protecting village" "defending loved ones" "prooving nindou" "getting acknowledged" etc. as their objectives.

So using a suicidal move is a victory or not depending on what is the scenario.
For ex. if in a scenario Gai fights with someone who wants to kill Lee, and his objective is to protect him at all costs & can only take down the enemy with 8th gate, it is regarded as victory.
Or if you put Gai with a team such as "Gai & Gaara vs Hashirama" and Hashirama gets taken down at cost of Gai's life but Gaara survives, virtually Gai's team has the victory.

Actually, I would say this is quite fair, but I was speaking in terms of the "VS" like when wonder woman gets pitted against Big Bertha. We're not so much interested in whether or not this other goals are accomplished so much as we're assessing character strength against each other to determine whether they are even matches for one another or whether one is just vastly outpowers the other. And suicide techniques in that sense tell the story that we are so evenly matched that in to claim avoid a loss I must kill myself with you.

@ Dimitri do you care to explain how, as I've think I've shown pretty well Tsunade can take attacks from the 7th gate.

@Strict That's bean counting at its finest. I'm going use a technique, but in order to use the technique I am going to enter a state that will kill me. Thus, I could argue from the time that Gai opens the gate he's already killed himself, which is akin to someone say slitting their wrist beyond repair, and soon enough the damage will actually kill Gai. And even you're analogy is flawed as it isn't Night Gai which kills Gai but opening the 8th Gate itself. Gai was going to die even if he didn't use Night Gai. As Madara pointed out. Thus he killed himself in opening the 8th gate

 

[A v i]

Gai owns Tsunade.

 

[eagle8]

Gai wins

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Gai beat her easily.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Unless Tsunade is capable of healing faster then she is going to get damaged, I don't see how she defeats 7G Gai.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Unless Tsunade is capable of healing faster then she is going to get damaged, I don't see how she defeats 7G Gai.

How much damage does 7th gate guy inflict?

 

[Black Wolf]

Gai is infinitely faster than her and possesses the ability to bash her skull in. He can win with 6th gate.

He doesn't need to bust out Juubi-Jinchuuriki level power to beat the likes of Tsunade.

 

[Strict]

Tazilla, it was implied that Gai could even beat the five Kage. So even after Tsunade was killed, Gai could go for the rest of the Kage. But anyway, it doesn't matter in the end, it's fine if you know that the 8th Gate overpowers Tsunade extremely (even without the Night moth).

 

[Tazzilla88]

Gai is infinitely faster than her and possesses the ability to bash her skull in. He can win with 6th gate.

He doesn't need to bust out Juubi-Jinchuuriki level power to beat the likes of Tsunade.

False, none of Gai's 6th gates feats suggest that, and considering he hit Kisame with a 7th gate punch and Kisame was still fine enough to overcome Chakra suppression and break through his wooden restraints after the fact seems to suggest that you're overrating Gai's strength before the 8th Gate. And considering in literally a few seconds Tsunade completely healed from a giant hole in her, I doubt fixing broken bones is going to take much time, barely any at all.

@Strict, sometimes you're just ridiculous. Yes, Gai could tie with the 5 kage. He can't beat them.
Obviously the 8th gate overpowers every character individually, lol. Even all of your faves.

 

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Let us not start with that bean counting.. C0 is a tie, as that one shot ends his life. The night moth (guy) is a tie, as it's his final shot and ends his life.
But the 8th gate is not a tie in the proper sense, it's rather a win in exchange of his life.. He could continue to fight for a extended period, while he would kill Tsunade at the first moment. No matter if he dies later, he won the battle.

She has her awesome regeneration, remember? She can regenerate everything. Gai dies from the 8 gates while Tsunade has her chances on surviving.

 

[Sageflash]

Gai easily.

 

[paratise]

Hirudora can take a head off if it is used as an uppercut.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Hirudora can take a head off if it is used as an uppercut.

Any support for this claim, Hirudora has never shown the force necessary to rip of limbs. Gai's hands and arms were right behind Hirudora and when the force got reversed back onto him, he only broke an arm. So where does the decapitation claim come from?