Might Gai vs Tsunade

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Guy could had aimed for maddara head and break his neck but he didn't. Guy doesn't use head shot smfh

I mean you do know he doesnt have a mind of his own right? At the end of the day kishi is the one who decides what to do with a character, If gai wants to snap her neck by all means I see no reason why he cannot, he obviously has the strength and speed to do so.
 

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I mean you do know he doesnt have a mind of his own right? At the end of the day kishi is the one who decides what to do with a character, If gai wants to snap her neck by all means I see no reason why he cannot, he obviously has the strength and speed to do so.

Well that's obvious, However the characters are written and created with looks and personalities. They are also made with fighting styles and strategic minds when it comes to fighting. THEREFOR it's not IC for him to snap her neck. And we were referring to IC/No intel.
 

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I mean you do know he doesnt have a mind of his own right? At the end of the day kishi is the one who decides what to do with a character, If gai wants to snap her neck by all means I see no reason why he cannot, he obviously has the strength and speed to do so.

And I have never saw him in the manga try so why would he do it
 

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What are you talking about? Gai shot Hirudora underwater. It was weakened due to the fact it had to travel under water and then again through a massive shark.
Yes, he did fire it from underwater, I reread the passage and I agree with that statement.
Now logically, that shouldn't be possible without a massive chemical reaction that separates hydrogen from oxygen resulting combustion that allows air pressure to build up from nowhere. I mean from whence did Gai get all of this air whilst underwater?


No it isn't.

The first time it was used without intent to kill, underwater, and traveled through an enemy technique before colliding with the target.

The second time, it was used while in a terrible physical state. He was restrained and he used it after over a day of fighting nonstop.

The third time he used it against the Naruto-world's equivalent of God, and it was blocked. You can't gauge its power based on its performance against Juubi Madara.
So what you're telling me is the author has used this move three times and only three times in the entirety of the manga and at no point intended us to see how this technique actually affects a person? Correct? Because it's performance has been identical with each usage if anything we can say that Gai was weakened but the technique was at maximum effectiveness at each usage. That seems to be a more reasonable conclusion than the above.

And I'm not gauging it's power based on its performance against Juubi-Jinchuriki Madara. I didn't mention that Madara only slid back. I only talked about the effect the technique had on Gai as he had his technique come back on him. And that is perfectly fair game.



Fact: Gai and Hachibi were restrained by Mokuton.
Means nothing. Further, I forward the one-inch punch to posit that short distance punch =/ = full power punch. He was stationary due to Mokuton, but that's all this fact means
Fact: After sending Madara flying, the Mokuton's grip was noted to be weaker.
has nothing to do with destroying Susanoo. Irrelevant red herring
Fact: Next time we see Madara, Susano'o is inactive and he is sitting down, surrounded in rubble.
Still not proof of anything. As Madara was casually laying his head against his hand. And Madara literally sat down and waited for Hashirama because he'd be bored playing with the other shinobi. Madara sitting out of boredom is well documented.

It's pretty obvious he broke Susano'o.
That's an inference you can draw, but with the evidence available you can't say such a thing.

Unless of course you want to go with him deciding to deactivate Susano'o for no particular reason and sit down on a rock.
any particular reason for him to continue to sit? Or for him to sit down and wait for Hashirama to play with him?



Yeah, I'm sure.

Zabuza had a dozen swords thrust into his torso and was still able to run through a crowd, behead a man with only a kunai in his mouth, and give Haku his last words. Neji had his torso skewered by branches, and was still able to give his last words. Same with Asuma (via Hidan's injury transfer).

Being stabbed in the chest isn't instantly lethal - it becomes instantly lethal if left unattended.
Stabbed in chest =/= Stabbed in heart.
Though I suppose you are correct, in the NV being stabbed in the hear doesn't always mean instant death via Asuma. So let me adjust my statement, show me where someone has died an instant death in the manga. Then show why you believe that Gai despite having no such feats will do this to someone with above average durability and the uzumaki life force.
Now I'm losing patience. What are you not comprehending? I'm talking apples and your replying oranges. I blatantly just said the only thing she has going for her is outlasting Gai.

For the third and final time. Can Tsunade's regeneration keep up with constant damage that will be delt by Gai. Simply put, is it fast enough. Gai has by far the fastest striking speed in the manga; he can break one of her bones, Tsunade regenerates, and then there is two more broken immediately after, and so on. Can byakogous healing keep up with the constant non-stop damage or will it eventually be overwhelmed and result in Tsunade succombing to all the injury?
@ the bold. Congrats. I see no reason to get worked up but, to each his own.

So tell me are you positing that Gai will stationarily throw all of these strikes, despite that being complete out of character, and physically improbable. The way I see what you're saying is this. Gai will instantly go gates, then proceed to blitz Tsunade, and no point does Tsunade do any action whatsoever, and at no point Gai cease his activity until she can no longer regenerate? Am I framing your argument correctly?

Nothing suggests, that with full knowledge this is what Gai would do, afterall against Obito there were several times that he was out of gates. And even if it were what Gai would do, you think that Tsunade wouldn't attempt something akin to what Kabuto did against Naruto. It may be true, that Gai can outspeed her, but if he's determined to beat her to a bloody pulp faster than she can regenerate, that involves not backing off. Which also allows for counter attacks. Which is why I asked said question.

When a boxer is pushed into a corner and being hammered away with punches more than capable of breaking bones, do they not have the ability to strike back. That seems to be your argument, that in the 7th Gate Tsunade will just be paralyzed. What opponent has Gai used the seventh gate against in which his opponent due to the speed of the seventh gate was incapable of movement. Or maybe you're arguing the broken bones will hinder Tsunade's ability to move. But as it didn't hinder Gai's ability to move nor Kisame's I don't think that claim adds up either. Or maybe you think the pain will stop Tsunade from moving, but didn't Gai himself hesitate to pain but grow accustomed to it once he knew what to expect, and because able to fight through it? Tsunade certainly feels the effects of pain, that's not deniable but as she was jumping around with swords in her belly and diving in front of Naruto with deep cuts on her abdomen I see pain stopping Tsunade to seem a little weak as an argument.

Maybe, you'd say Tsunade isn't fast enough to react, to Gai's punches whatsoever and at no point in time will she be fast enough to touch him. If that's your argument you might have a claim if we were talking about footspeed. But Tsunade has excellent reactionary feats of her own. And insofar as her opponent is right in front of her, he'd either have to get the heck out of the way, block, or tank.

Blocking is out of the question, as that would leave an immediate opening for Ranshinsho. Tanking is out of the question as he'd die or be maimed. And getting out of the way, means he isn't constantly beating on Tsunade, which obviously gives her time to not only heal, but to possibly perform other tasks. And finally to answer your question, neither you nor I can answer in the affirmative of what is possible in terms of byakugou just treating broken bones. But if we're talking about what's likely to happen in an actual battle, then it's not likely Gai will be able to do what happens in Naruto Storm after you run out of substitutions. He won't perform endless combos. All of his combos have a start and finishing point. And thus, more than adequate reprieve for Tsunade's Byakugou to work if it is being overtaken.

Tsunade get's decapitated as soon as Gai is aware of her regeneration abilities unless he isnt already aware of them. The boost from gates is definitely making Gai capable of braking bones and decapitation.

Gai in base attempted to break a boulder of this mass and size[ ]. Tsunade cannot keep up with Gai in gates, 8 gates is not needed, 5-7 is probably enough.

Smh at these tsunade supporters. Tsunade get's decapitated.
According to the Manga guys 7th gate punches don't even break the skin.


@ Bold, Tsunade in base was ready to fight the Raikage. Your point?
 
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Smh I can't bother with theses tsunade supporters no more.
 

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7G Gai would win, 8G is an obvious low diff, one shot stomp.
 

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Tazzila you need to use paragraphs really...
 

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Gai wins mid-high difficulty.
 

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Smh I can't bother with theses tsunade supporters no more.

So what you just use was a logical fallacy. On this base, Tsunade supporters have a bad reputation, thus in the phrasing of your sentence what you were saying.
You belong to a class that I perceive as incapable of forming logical arguments, therefore your argument is not logical, and thus not worthy of a response. So the term Tsunade supporter is being used a ad hominem. And an Argument to population is being used as an undertone to support your ad hominem.

@Caterpillar :( I know
I get carried away sometimes.
 

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Make a gauntlet from base Gai, 1st gate Gai, etc. all the way to 8th gate. I want to see how Tsunade would fair in that order.
 

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Now logically, that shouldn't be possible without a massive chemical reaction that separates hydrogen from oxygen resulting combustion that allows air pressure to build up from nowhere. I mean from whence did Gai get all of this air whilst underwater?

It doesn't matter what you think is logical or not; Gai shot Hirudora in the middle of an ocean, and it had to travel through a building sized shark made out of condensed water before hitting Kisame. It was weakened before hitting Kisame. And as I have told you already, Gai had no intention to kill Kisame.


So what you're telling me is the author has used this move three times and only three times in the entirety of the manga and at no point intended us to see how this technique actually affects a person? Correct? Because it's performance has been identical with each usage if anything we can say that Gai was weakened but the technique was at maximum effectiveness at each usage.

How can you say every use was identical when Gai was in varying situations when each occurred?

As I've told you four times already, when he used it against Kisame it was underwater without intent to kill. Both factors weakened it, in addition to the fact that it had to travel through Kisame's ultimate technique before hitting him.

Against Madara, Gai has been fighting for a day nonstop, was restrained, and was having his chakra sapped by the Mokuton. Despite this, his Hirudora still destroyed Susano'o.

Against Juubi Madara, Madara blocked the attack. The attack was not properly launched to begin with.

And I'm not gauge it's power based on its performance against Juubi-Jinchuriki Madara. I didn't mention that Madara only slid back. I only talked about the effect the technique had on Gai as he had his technique come back on him. And that is perfectly fair game.

You said it has been used three times, and each of those times its performance identical. It is only three times if you count the one he used against Madara. When he used it against Madara, the technique was never properly complete. Madara swung down his staff while Gai was still launching the attack.

has nothing to do with destroying Susanoo. Irrelevant red herring

It means that Madara was damaged sufficiently for the technique to be weakened. Madara could only have been damaged if Susano'o was destroyed.

That's an inference you can draw, but with the evidence available you can't say such a thing.

So basically, you're going to play stupid because its convenient.

So according to you, the Mokuton binding magically got weaker just because, Madara is seen without Susano'o because he decided to turn it off for no reason, and he was sitting in the pile of rubble because he felt like it, despite previously stating he intended on capturing the 8 and 9 tails himself.

Sounds legit.

any particular reason for him to continue to sit? Or for him to sit down and wait for Hashirama to play with him?

Hashirama was not revived when he was fighting Gai. The rest of the alliance already arrived when Madara sensed Hashirama's revival.

Stabbed in chest =/= Stabbed in heart.

I can give you more examples, if you want to continue the denial.

Haku moved his hand to grab Kakashi's arm after getting impaled by a Raikiri to the heart.

Rin was able to talk after getting stabbed in the heart by Raikiri.

Obito was able to survive after getting stabbed in the heart by Raikiri.

Karin and Danzo both temporarily survived having a Chidori Eiso through the chest.

The list literally goes on and on and on.

So let me adjust my statement, show me where someone has died an instant death in the manga.

Sure thing.

The shinobi Gaara popped with sand burials back in the Forest of Death.

Itachi's Shoten clone that was hit by Odama Rasengan.

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Naruto's .

Then show why you believe that Gai despite having no such feats will do this to someone with above average durability and the uzumaki life force.

Gai instantly killed Kisame's Shoten Clone with Morning Peacock.
 
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Gai is faster than Tsunade, he drops his weights and she'll lose her head
 

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8th Gate Gai is a stalement given that he himself dies. He loses the rest. She survived getting Teleported at the Speed of Light via her Immortality Technique, which should have killed her instantly. Nothing Gai does would compare to that. It's only the hilarious 8th gate that makes the difference.

P.s: What's the Juubi's Jin durability? Lol
 

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Tsunade has not shown above average durability nor has it ever been implied that she has above average durability for a ninja. What saves her is regenerative capabilities, not physical durability. The only ninja that have displayed durability worth mentioning are Kimimaro, Kakuzu (Domu), 3rd Raikage, and to a lesser degree, 4th Raikage.

The teleportation technique was never tried on anybody but the 3rd Raikage and inanimate objects; Mabui was merely speculating on what it would do to a human. She said " ," implying she had never actually tried it on others in fear of killing them.

Surely enough, it caused damage to Tsunade, but nothing more than skin deep lacerations. While those lacerations may kill a normal human due to excessive blood loss, Tsunade does not have to worry about that thanks to Byakugo. Mabui's technique is by no means an instant kill technique.

Juubi Jinchuuriki durability can be inferred by the parts that make it up. Kusanagi was bouncing off of 50% KN4's skin. 50% KN6 had its own Bijuudama explode an arm's reach away, and still got up. Add another eight tailed beasts, in addition to Sage Mode durability, and you easily have among the most durable entities in the manga.
 
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^ What Speed of Light can do to a flesh isn't up for speculation. Which is why Mabui was reluctant to send both of them off via that technique. Third survived because of his infamous Shield, his flesh. This adds a lot to the debate.
 

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Tsunade has not shown above average durability nor has it ever been implied that she has above average durability for a ninja. What saves her is regenerative capabilities, not physical durability. The only ninja that have displayed durability worth mentioning are Kimimaro, Kakuzu (Domu), 3rd Raikage, and to a lesser degree, 4th Raikage.

The teleportation technique was never tried on anybody but the 3rd Raikage and inanimate objects; Mabui was merely speculating on what it would do to a human. She said " ," implying she had never actually tried it on others in fear of killing them.

Surely enough, it caused damage to Tsunade, but nothing more than skin deep lacerations. While those lacerations may kill a normal human due to excessive blood loss, Tsunade does not have to worry about that thanks to Byakugo. Mabui's technique is by no means an instant kill technique.

Juubi Jinchuuriki durability can be inferred by the parts that make it up. Kusanagi was bouncing off of 50% KN4's skin. 50% KN6 had its own Bijuudama explode an arm's reach away, and still got up. Add another eight tailed beasts, in addition to Sage Mode durability, and you easily have among the most durable entities in the manga.

Smh thank you, lel at shelke, questions the juubi's jins durability.

I can't deal with these niga's man. Especially Tazzila.
 

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Mabui has never tried it on people barring the 3rd Raikage, thus why she said "I'm pretty certain" it won't work. In theory, the technique sounded unsafe to use on people, and I don't blame her for her uncertainty. If any human without regeneration was bleeding as much as Tsunade was, they would have eventually died due to the aforementioned bloodloss. However, Tsunade can close the wounds thanks to regeneration.

It, in no way, reflects on her durability. Simply her regenerative prowess, which nobody was ever bringing into question anyway.
 

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Smh thank you, lel at shelke, questions the juubi's jins durability.

I can't deal with these niga's man. Especially Tazzila.

It wasn't a question, but a statement regarding its weakness. It's weak before Senjutsu and Taijutsu and has blocked all Chakra based attacks before. So if a weakness is affecting it, it's a statement in itself. Even measly Rasangan attack from Naruto affected it, when it wouldn't do a thing to Nine Tails Cloak.

Try to understand what a person is stating. Comparing Juubi-Jin to other Jins is preposterous, given their different durabilities.
 

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It wasn't a question, but a statement regarding its weakness. It's weak before Senjutsu and Taijutsu and has blocked all Chakra based attacks before. So if a weakness is affecting it, it's a statement in itself. Even measly Rasangan attack from Naruto affected it, when it would do a thing to Nine Tails Cloak.

Try to understand what a person is stating. Comparing Juubi-Jin to other Jins is preposterous, given their different durabilities.

Lml just stop shelke.
 
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