#MeToo

[Avani]

never said that, please quote where i said any of that. lmao

we dont turn a blind eye, if you look at facts people get arrested for it, both falsely and truthfully so no clue why anyone is getting up and arms for it. its silly

Yes you do. And you are opining on a subject which you clearly don't understand or didn't think it through or don't wish to learn about.

If you look at facts people get falsely accused of financial crimes and murder and sorts of other crimes too but people do not question the accusation this readily as in such cases. Besides people get killed but some only get bullied. Should we ignore the one who is only bullied? Or do we still need to point out that bullying is not nice either? How about threatening?

Generalizing always tends to be a negative behavior and a bad move by the one who makes a statement. Well, in my case generalizing and judging people who bought Metal Gear Survive is OK, because it's shit and who own it is shit too. Whatever. Anyway, you said we don't know how terrifying it is to be a woman. All men don't know? OK. We men don't know how terrifying it is to be a woman. No man on Earth respect women. Not even a single one. All men are predators. Do you agree?

The only post which I saw was not generalizing all men as much as reacting to the responses which were just belittling the issue offhandedly or going completely of topic. Why would you even make it about the dress of the girl?

Would you guys like to know why it's better to let people speak up or encourage their stories? It's so that others cannot realize in how many ways the predators behave.

I have seen predatory behaviour on NB itself. And NO I'm not referring to random idiotic/boorish/perverted messages sent to girls. Real predators as in an adult sending girls- some of them being minors (or at last according to their NB DoB minors) messages trying to seduce them in BDSM relationship via PMs.

Another case: TVF: This company has been one of the most talked about among college students and young people as it was formed by young engineers who instead of going for engineering job founded this group- Just when it was getting most hyped an anonymous letter was published accusing the CEO for sexual harassment. The woman said this started to interfere the job and her refusal lead to her being thrown out.

The first reaction of the second most known face, HR, a female herself- dismissing existence of such an employee fired from the job under the narrated incident. Later on the woman complaining supplied the information they couldn't deny and then had to accept it happened. But then they came with another excuse for terminating her, which was hard to accept seeing at first they denied having a person for the job itself. The girl also mentioned some other known names to whom she had complained regarding the harassment but they told her to just keep ignoring such advances or take them in her stride. After all they were all progressive people and what's the big deal in such persistent offers.

Later the CEO even went on to say he was just appreciating her when repeatedly getting close to her or telling her she was sexy and all..

Another case- earlier this month a famous slam poetry star in Mumbai, Shamir Reuben, was accused of sexual misconduct by multiple girls. A very well known face among young artists, writers', journalists' community, was accused by a girl for pressuring her for sexting and nudes - she was minor around 16 he was over 18 ( 25 something at the moment).

She was hesitant to take any action or tell him a straight no- she kept socially communicating with him as if it was normal though she said, she felt highly uncomfortable and was dodging his messages. She posted on FB after she told a friend and learned she was not the only girl it happened to but an ongoing pattern. Since then some 30 screenshots of messages have been posted by various girls.

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He denied it at first. His feminist friends also jumped in to defend him and stopped speaking to girls who were complaining. They defended him before screenshots started pouring from too many people to back the story up and they were themselves called out. He had been asking such conversation and photographs from multiple girls. But when more and more posts and some screenshots of direct conversation started to get posted ( the first one said she had deleted hers so it was easier to discard her version) they have suspended the poet from the group and saying they will set up an inquiry to confirm the accusations.

Someone had complained before about his predatory behaviour to another female feminist friend of his and when confronted he claimed the girls keep throwing themselves on him while confirming she sent her nudes to him and he still had them. And it was just ignored till steamrolled on FB.

And yes he finally accepted- his excuse was - he knew the girl so it was ok... He didn't think it was wrong!!

Yes it is sexual harassment and child solicitation too. So there are people who need to speak up.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Would you guys like to know why it's better to let people speak up or encourage their stories? It's so that others cannot realize in how many ways the predators behave.

Who are you talking about? Not all men wouldn't let people speak up or encourage their stories.

I have seen predatory behavior on NB itself. And NO I'm not referring to random idiotic/boorish/perverted messages sent to girls. Real predators as in an adult sending girls- some of them being minors (or at last according to their NB DoB minors) messages trying to seduce them in BDSM relationship via PMs.

This sucks.

So there are people who need to speak up.

No one is stopping them.

 

[Avani]

Who are you talking about? Not all men wouldn't let people speak up or encourage their stories.

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No one is stopping them.

I'm referring to a bunch of posts in here.

Because they can't exactly " stop it", can they? So the next best thing is trivializing the issue or distract. Or call it "It's just a bunch of attention seekers posting two words on the internet about petty crap because they obviously have no other way of making their existence remotely meaningful or special. "

Isn't that a generalization too? But not many were willing to call that generalization out. Some cases of course would be trivial but things is people can see which ones are worth taking a note and which are not.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

I'm referring to a bunch of posts in here.

Ambivalence is an idiot, but I guess he'll get good that scrub.

Because they can't exactly " stop it", can they? So the next best thing is trivializing the issue or distract. Or call it "It's just a bunch of attention seekers posting two words on the internet about petty crap because they obviously have no other way of making their existence remotely meaningful or special."

It's just a mindless crap he posts. He doesn't addresses the right questions, and apparently some posters too. Can't bother to look.

Isn't that a generalization too? But not many were willing to call that generalization out. Some cases of course would be trivial but things is people can see which ones are worth taking a note and which are not.

It is generalization. I myself trying to approach the issue to get closer look. OK so a female been sexually harassed. What did she do next to confirm everything happened in details, dates, location and time? We need examples. The MeToo stories are from the look of them seem to give nothing but most likely a story without when and where and who was the harasser.

 

[Lightbringer]

Clown World seems to have some issues with women not enjoying sexual harrasment/assualt.

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[Souji]

Actually metoo was about actual sexual predators who had gotten away with their deeds because they held or are in a postion of power, giving their victims a chance to actually tell their storries without getting banned of fired from hollywood.

It was never about catcalling. (it's just people that have gotten cat call started joining in on the conversation and started using the #)

Well yeah, #MeToo covers both sexual assault and sexual harassment, with catcalling falling in the latter category. I mentioned that it (catcalling) was part of MeToo but not exclusively about it

 

[Clown World]

Clown World seems to have some issues with women not enjoying sexual harrasment/assualt.

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You know its just feminist propaganda, i would advise you to look at the rape stats regarding males in britain, muh women are oppressed. Women hold the power and influence in majority western courts to ruin any males life purely because of their gender.

 

[Lightbringer]

You know its just feminist propaganda, i would advise you to look at the rape stats regarding males in britain, muh women are oppressed. Women hold the power and influence in majority western courts to ruin any males life purely because of their gender.

Please don't project your Tinder problems on here.

 

[Clown World]

Please don't project your Tinder problems on here.

Custody statistics, false rape claims, you really are an ignoramus

 

[Lightbringer]

Custody statistics, false rape claims, you really are an ignoramus

So you're claiming that the grand majority of #metoo stories were false?

I'd like to see evidence of this and if these false claims faced convictions or penalties.

 

[Clown World]

So you're claiming that the grand majority of #metoo stories were false?

I'd like to see evidence of this and if these false claims faced convictions or penalties.

Oh yeah wheres the evidence any of them are right? And no i wasnt directly counter signalling Metoo garbage im talking more about society as a whole and statistics, not old roasties on twitter making up stuff to appear to be as feminist as possible.

 

[Lightbringer]

Oh yeah wheres the evidence any of them are right? And no i wasnt directly counter signalling Metoo garbage im talking more about society as a whole and statistics, not old roasties on twitter making up stuff to appear to be as feminist as possible.

Last I checked, this thread is about #MeToo, not your problems with women.

You're the one making the assertions, thus the burden is on you to provide the proof.

In the arguments where I made the claims, specifically against Ambivalence, I backed up what I said; then you neg repped me and called me a cuck because you have issues with women, and would rather believe the myth that they are all mischievous.

@Bold: Again show me the statistics to back up your claims.

Because the NSVRC (National Sexual Violence Resource Center), a global center which tracks these cases have a study which show that 63% of sexual assaults are never reported and false reports range between 2-10%.

So that shuts your theory down.

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Guess I'm not the one who's ignoramus.

 

[Clown World]

Last I checked, this thread is about #MeToo, not your problems with women.

You're the one making the assertions, thus the burden is on you to provide the proof.

In the arguments where I made the claims, specifically against Ambivalence, I backed up what I said. And then you neg repped me and called me a cuck because you couldn't handle the truth.

@Bold: Again show me the statistics to back up your claims.

Because the NSVRC (National Sexual Violence Resource Center), a global center that tracks these sorts of cases made a study which show that 63% of sexual assaults are never reported and false reporting is between 2-10%.

So that shuts your theory down.

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>implying people on the internet saying stuff is any proof or any quantitative indicator of sexual assault,
on your second point men also are drastically more unlikely to report sexual assault than women, in my home country the odds are about 4-0-60 men to women victims and men are less likely to report it. (australia)

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'will affect 1/4 women and 1/6 men
your link proves nothing and doesn't distinguish between men and females

 

[Lightbringer]

>implying people on the internet saying stuff is any proof or any quantitative indicator of sexual assault,
on your second point men also are drastically more unlikely to report sexual assault than women, in my home country the odds are about 4-0-60 men to women victims and men are less likely to report it. (australia)

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'will affect 1/4 women and 1/6 men
your link proves nothing and doesn't distinguish between men and females

I fail to see any evidence on your part.

The NSVRC works with the government to keep track of these cases. It's the largest organization that identifies these cases and stretches worldwide. It's not just "the internet saying stuff." That's just an excuse you're using because you are simply projecting your discontent with women and are ignoring facts because of it.

@Bold: Nice red herring there, but I don't believe that was the topic here. I'm pretty sure I'm dismantling the claim that these sexual assault cases are just made-up to appear as feminist, which I just debunked rather easily.

im talking more about society as a whole and statistics, not old roasties on twitter making up stuff to appear to be as feminist as possible.

 

[Clown World]

I fail to see any evidence on your part.

The NSVRC works with the government to keep track of these cases. It's the largest organization that identifies these cases and stretches worldwide. It's not just "the internet saying stuff." That's just an excuse you're using because you are simply projecting your discontent with women and are ignoring facts because of it.

@Bold: Nice red herring there, but I don't believe that was the topic here. I'm pretty sure I'm dismantling the claim that these sexual assault cases are just made-up to appear as feminist, which I just debunked rather easily.

'yeah lets use rape claims as evidence when barely any evidence is needed to successfully charge someone with sexual assault', also that link you posted really doesnt have any claim about online reporting of sexual assault, 'False equivalence'
that video is all the evidence you need fam

 

[Avani]

'yeah lets use rape claims as evidence when barely any evidence is needed to successfully charge someone with sexual assault', also that link you posted really doesnt have any claim about online reporting of sexual assault, 'False equivalence'
that video is all the evidence you need fam

That's unsubstantiated claim. Not only a lot of cases not even reported- being charged does not amount to being convicted. Here is graphical representation of convictions

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Rape in European countries in 2006

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Recorded rapes of children rose from 5,878 in 2011-12 to 11,947 in 2015-16. The figures suggest that 109 out of every 100,000 children were recorded as being attacked in England and Wales.

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Even the ones convicted may get suspended sentences. You can find similar stats from other countries too, and mind these are developed countries where law and order situation and women's condition is supposedly better. The underdeveloped countries are not likely to fair better in this regard.

Either way you are making off topic posts and hijacking the thread for another purpose. There are some false rape cases, doesn't mean others should not be talking about sexual harassment. If people were listened

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wouldn't have been that big and victim number wouldn't cross 1400.

 

[SamAdams]

You will most often attract what you put out. That goes for men and women.

 

[Skorm]

I see, in my country ppl rape themselves most of the time as a lack of suspects :|

That was sarcasm, we have nuh policeh

 

[FemmeFatale]

You will most often attract what you put out. That goes for men and women.

When young Olympian Gabby Douglas doctor sexually assaulted her did she put that out ?

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

When young Olympian Gabby Douglas doctor sexually assaulted her did she put that out ?

he did say most often..