Mei vs Kisame
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No offense, but if you strongly side with Kisame then you could at least list a few reasons.
It's only fair if you're underestimating Mei that much.
What proof is there that Roshi had better Lava Release than Mei?
All we saw of him was a Lava Armor and a few techniques. They were impressive, but it's far from being able to say Roshi was better at Lava Release than Mei was. In the end, it's a matter of opinion.
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Mei has far more versatility in her techniques. She can use anything from Water techniques, to Earth, to Acid, to Lava. Kisame's one of the stronger Water users we've seen thus far, but even he would have his back against the wall against someone as seasoned as Mei.
Yamato said that if you can use a KG then it's simple to use their respective basic elements. That means Mei can use her Earth just as well as she can use Lava. It's also a fact that Earth has an elemental advantage over Water. This alone gives Mei an instant edge.
Not to mention that Mei is the Mizukage of the Mist Village. Unlike most people that have fought Kisame, Mei has complete knowledge of Samehada and it's abilities. This is the most important advantage that Mei has. In battle intel is everything. The more you know about your opponent, the better you can formulate tactics to fight them with.
Mei wins with mid/high difficulty
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He still handled Lava Release with no effort as he said he was a little tired.
Boil release or w.e would be a problem in the dome, but I don't think he would need it.
Earth techs aren't of much use on a large body of water.
Mei 2/10
Kisame 8/10
Mei has pretty cool stuff though.
Yeah he handled Roshi with fairly simple difficulty, but I mean that's the point.
- How do we know how strong Roshi was?
- Have we ever seen him fight?
Basically, what I'm saying is we have no way of comparing Roshi and Mei, so the fact that Kisame defeated Roshi doesn't tell us how Kisame would fare against Mei.
Plus, like I said, Mei has a unique advantage - she is the Mizukage of the Mist Village, which means she has complete knowledge of Samehada. Knowledge is key in battle, and in that regard Mei has the advantage.
As for Earth techniques not being much use against large Water techniques, it's just like using a Fire technique against a Wind technique - the Fire technique becomes stronger because it has an elemental advantage. Now, obviously if it's an extremely powerful Water technique then it'll get to a point where it could overwhelm the Earth technique, but Mei is a high-level ninjutsu specialist.
Madara's Fire technique overpowered dozens of Alliance shinobi:
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But Mei was able to counter it all by herself:
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There's no reason why she couldn't pump up an Earth technique to this magnitude as well
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Yeah, but you can come to the conclusion that handling a user with massive chakra that has lava release with ease could mean that a better user with it wouldn't be much more of a challenge.
For all we know Roshi or w.e could have been far better, but I doubt it.
Yeah.. I don't know about your last statement.. "Theres no reason why she couldn't pump up earth technique to this magnitude as well"
That's pure speculation..
In terms of higher skill level of nin jutsu.. I would give it to Kisame just for his incredible amount of summons, Shark bullet that tops any ninjutsu, and his environmental changing jutsus.
Don't get me wrong Mei has him beat in variety, and better "elements" or w.e (lava, boil, acid).
dowhatupreach
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we haven't seen the extent of mei's power. SHe wouldn't be a kage if she is weak. I'd go with mei.
Yeah, I admit it is a speculation, but it is not a pure speculation.
Here is my logic:
-Mei has very high proficiency in Lava and Acid.
-Yamato said that if you are able to use a KG, then it's simple to use their two respective basic elements separately:
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This means that because Mei can already use her KG (Lava and Acid) to great effect, then it means she can use their separate basic elements just as proficiently. Earth is one of the components to making Lava, and because she can already use Lava proficiently to the point of creating pools large enough to submerge Madara's Susanno, there's no reason she can't use Earth Release to great effect as well - in this case, large magnitude techniques
As for Kisame's Shark summons (his 1000 Sharks, for example), keep in mind he was only able to use those because he was near an entire ocean which boosted his Water techniques making them stronger. Even if he was near an ocean again, it would also benefit Mei seeing as she is also a powerful Suiton user. Since Mei and Kisame are both Suiton users, whatever environmental advantage that Kisame gains, Mei also gains
Once again, I'd like to bring into this argument that Mei has full knowledge of Kisame's (and Samahada's) abilities. I wish people would give this key point the attention that it deserves. Intel has been shown to be a key factor that has the potential to turn the tides of battle in several occasions in the manga. The major things that gives Kisame an advantage would already be known by Mei.
For example, Kisame's Giant Shark Bullet that feeds off the opponents chakra and grows stronger, Mei would know about this technique and just simply avoid it. I don't want to make this sound like a simple task, but physically avoiding it is a genuine counter action to a technique that feeds off your own attacks, is it not? It's more logical to avoid a chakra absorbing technique than to feed it. And other things like Kisame's fusion with Samehada, Mei would be keeping an eye on it from the very beginning of the fight and actively aim for an opportunity to separate him from Samehada to prevent the fusion. Again, not saying it's an easy task, but at least she'd be aware of it unlike Bee who had no idea
Basically, what I'm saying is this: Because Mei has full knowledge of Kisame's abilities it gives her an advantage. I'm not saying it gives her an instant win, but it does give her a very important advantage. In my opinion, that combined with her other strength puts the battle, in general, in her favor
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Drakengard
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I feel that Mei has good techniques to keep ninja on their toes, but she really needs a final killer technique for most people to give her credit imo. Once Kisame makes an ocean/water dome, I feel that he would gain more than Mei since he's specialized in Water release as opposed to Mei learning 3 elements and 2 KG. A good example would be Kisame's swimming prowess in the water-this is an extra bonus because it should help him if Mei uses hidden mist (though Kisame might be able to use it to his advantage) or acidic mist (not sure if it works underwater). Seeing as how lava can turn to rock quickly in direct contact with water, she might be able to create a mini-island for her own foot baring.
Yet Kisame's "nukes" are hard to counter. I don't think that countering Water dome/1,000 sharks/Giant Shark water bullet would be easy on anybody he's facing. For example, I don't see how Mei would escape the water dome. I presume she has a water technique to boost her speed somewhat, but Kisame probably has one as well. Maybe she has a doton technique to hide underground? For me, it depends on the question of Kisame's chakra level, and if he has enough to pull these techniques off without absorbing bijuu levels of chakra first.
Yet Kisame's "nukes" are hard to counter. I don't think that countering Water dome/1,000 sharks/Giant Shark water bullet would be easy on anybody he's facing. For example, I don't see how Mei would escape the water dome. I presume she has a water technique to boost her speed somewhat, but Kisame probably has one as well. Maybe she has a doton technique to hide underground? For me, it depends on the question of Kisame's chakra level, and if he has enough to pull these techniques off without absorbing bijuu levels of chakra first.
Yeah she knows about Samehada but she doesn't know he can fuse with it as he was the only one to ever do it.
Also she wouldn't know about shark bullet, idk how she would..
I highly doubt she has full knowledge on his abilities.. Just Samehada and that he uses Suiton.
I disagree
She does know that he can fuse with it. Even young Chojuro knew. If he knew then it stands to reason that the Kage of their respective village would know as well.
The Giant Shark Bullet is one of Kisame's special techniques, and it's been shown that shinobi of different nations can know the special techniques of highly skilled shinobi. Out of reputation, people from different nations knew about Kakashi's Chidori. There are tons of other examples but I'm too lazy to list them all right now. If Kisame is in Konoha's Bingo Book, then it means he is also a well-known shinobi (S-rank criminal) all around the world.
It's not out of the question that she could know Kisame's moves. It's pretty illogical to think that the Kage of a village wouldn't have fair info on an S-ranked criminal from their own village. If people like Kisame are in the Bingo Books of other nations, then it's only reasonable that their own country would have even more info on them
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Blaze Release
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Yeah.. But how many times does Kakashi actually use that attack?
Kisame used it once, that's Kakashis signature attack so of course people know.
Idk if they know about the shark bullet, but I guess they know about Samehada fusion.