May someone explain why Snake Sage Mode is called Dragon Sage Mode?

[Troyg39]

Let me explain why your whole post is foolish.

Kabuto did not "perfect" the Sage Mode beyond Orochimaru. Orochimaru could never attain Sage Mode due to him lacking the proper body for him to control Natural energy. Kabuto only conducted Sage Mode due to the many experiments he conducted upon himself to upgrade his body. Orochimaru never had a Sage Mode. Stop fabricating facts, you are mistaken.

Even though they are associated with one another does not mean that they are equivalent. A toad and a frog are not the same, Toad Sage Mode does not equal Frog Sage Mode.

And I'm not making a fuss about it, I'm asking a legitimate question, and I was hoping someone would have a legitimate answer, which clearly you do not.

*Sigh* I really hate when you guys try to be rude

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Note Kabuto says even Oro could not become a true sage in the end like himself. This suggests that while it was imperfect, Oro held some form of Sage Mode. He just couldn't find a body to bear the brunt of the ability altogether. It's similar to how without the proper balance of toad chakra, you can not be a truly perfect sage as it will show in your appearance and may even turn you into a frog. The second page suggests that Oro had a form of Sage Mode as he was able to release the sennin transformation, something he should not be able to do if he didn't have any form of Sage Mode of his own. Now is it a true fact Oro had a form of Sage Mode? No, you can argue against it. But only one of us has a page that at least suggests their argument is plausible while the other doesn't. So I'll leave you to believe whatever you desire kid.

@bold: Now let me explain to you why speaking out of anger leads to misunderstanding and ignorance. That bold was the point of my first post. Dragon Sage mode is used as a distinction for Snake Sage Mode, which is assumed to be the more imperfect form Oro carried, because they aren't equivalent in most minds. And when you show me a page saying or even suggesting there being both a frog and toad sage mode I'll listen to you.

You clearly are making a fuss out of something that's very simple to comprehend. People say Dragon Sage Mode, aside from the glaring fact that Kabuto clearly looks like a Dragon, because it helps distinct what Oro had from Kabuto. Oh yea and you do know that the curse mark, Oro's jutsu, is Sage Mode as well right? I'll leave you to ponder on that kid

 

[AaaaNinja]

I honestly think he ascended to a Dragon SM. Snakes do not grow horns, and Kabuto had horns because he became a DRAGON. People just don't want to face that Kabuto reached a new level of Sage Mode.

Manda, the largest snake that was also Orochimaru's summon, had horns. Manda II, a clone of Manda that Kabuto created, had legs.

 

[Retsu]

If he ascended past Snake Sage Mode, that means Toad Sage Mode can be surpassed, right? Then why is Naruto's Sage Mode considered perfect? And what would be the name of the ascended Toad Sage Mode? Frog Sage Mode?

And he has horns because he is an imperfect Sage, like Jiraiya [note his nose and legs]. And Snakes don't have horns? The Great White Snake possesses a hat that has horns on it, extremely similar to Kabuto's horns... [

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People just don't want to face that Kabuto merely had an imperfect Snake Sage Mode, nothing new.

Toad sage mode and dragon sage mode are two different things, and in asian mythologies after a snake lives for a certain amount of time, or gains a certain amount of power, I can't remember the exact cause, however after some time the snake turns into a dragon, and kishi draws his inspiration from all sorts of mythologies.

Kabuto apparently was perfect as kishi called snake sage mode, the most evil sage mode. so as of now it seems that perfect snake sage mode gives you dragon sage mode, and you grow horns. it's supposed to look evil and menacing.

 

[KingHashirama]

For the people who are trying to justify the "DSM" and why its called that, know the following:

- Hasn't been called "dragon Sage mode" in the manga (atleast as far as i know, you can prove me wrong if you find it)

- The "dragon" reference is to Kabuto, not the SM. The SM is still snake SM, its that by attaining the power of SM, Kabuto had turned into a Dragon instead of a Snake.


So, DSM = Fan thing to give name to Kabuto's Sennin mode. Otherwise its just snake SM.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

I don't know I love dragons and hate snakes to think that they are linked in any way or snakes turn into dragons is quite horrible but then again I've seen a movie where an evil snake is trying to turn into a dragon so I guess its possible and maybe a part of ancient Asian myth

 

[Troyg39]

For the people who are trying to justify the "DSM" and why its called that, know the following:

- Hasn't been called "dragon Sage mode" in the manga (atleast as far as i know, you can prove me wrong if you find it)

- The "dragon" reference is to Kabuto, not the SM. The SM is still snake SM, its that by attaining the power of SM, Kabuto had turned into a Dragon instead of a Snake.


So, DSM = Fan thing to give name to Kabuto's Sennin mode. Otherwise its just snake SM.

I don't think anyone is necessarily arguing that Dragon Sage Mode is an official moniker passed down from Kishi himself but basically yes you're right. What about the name doesn't make sense in reference to the situation? I could see if people decided to call it "pee-pee Sage Mode" or something

It's no different than people using the name "Juubito" even though to my knowledge he's never been called such in the manga. It's just a name to better communicate the idea of "Obito as the ten tails jin" without having to say all of that.

 

[Invsblphntm]

*Sigh* I really hate when you guys try to be rude

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Note Kabuto says even Oro could not become a true sage in the end like himself. This suggests that while it was imperfect, Oro held some form of Sage Mode. He just couldn't find a body to bear the brunt of the ability altogether. It's similar to how without the proper balance of toad chakra, you can not be a truly perfect sage as it will show in your appearance and may even turn you into a frog. The second page suggests that Oro had a form of Sage Mode as he was able to release the sennin transformation, something he should not be able to do if he didn't have any form of Sage Mode of his own. Now is it a true fact Oro had a form of Sage Mode? No, you can argue against it. But only one of us has a page that at least suggests their argument is plausible while the other doesn't. So I'll leave you to believe whatever you desire kid.

@bold: Now let me explain to you why speaking out of anger leads to misunderstanding and ignorance. That bold was the point of my first post. Dragon Sage mode is used as a distinction for Snake Sage Mode, which is assumed to be the more imperfect form Oro carried, because they aren't equivalent in most minds. And when you show me a page saying or even suggesting there being both a frog and toad sage mode I'll listen to you.

You clearly are making a fuss out of something that's very simple to comprehend. People say Dragon Sage Mode, aside from the glaring fact that Kabuto clearly looks like a Dragon, because it helps distinct what Oro had from Kabuto. Oh yea and you do know that the curse mark, Oro's jutsu, is Sage Mode as well right? I'll leave you to ponder on that kid

*sigh* I hate when people try and teach me...

Orochimaru tried to gain the ability of Sage Mode, yet could not due to the limitations of his body. [

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] He did not have a Sage Mode at all. Without the proper body, one may not even use Sage Mode at all.

And Kabuto's Sage Mode was clearly imperfect. A Sage Mode is only perfect when there are no transformation of the animal it is representing. The difference between Jiraiya and Naruto was his frog-like appearance, and due to that Naruto's mastery is much greater than Jiraiya's. [

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And Sage Mode is not the same as Curse Mark. Orochimaru himself stated it is merely Senjutsu. [

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I'll leave you to ponder on a few things as well, son.

For the people who are trying to justify the "DSM" and why its called that, know the following:

- Hasn't been called "dragon Sage mode" in the manga (atleast as far as i know, you can prove me wrong if you find it)

- The "dragon" reference is to Kabuto, not the SM. The SM is still snake SM, its that by attaining the power of SM, Kabuto had turned into a Dragon instead of a Snake.


So, DSM = Fan thing to give name to Kabuto's Sennin mode. Otherwise its just snake SM.

Wow... did KingHashirama just say something that made sense? Good job man. Seriously.

 

[Troyg39]

*sigh* I hate when people try and teach me...

Orochimaru tried to gain the ability of Sage Mode, yet could not due to the limitations of his body. [

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] He did not have a Sage Mode at all. Without the proper body, one may not even use Sage Mode at all.

Bold: Would you say Jiraiya had the "proper body" even though he could not control the chakra completely on his own? Clearly you don't need "perfect" circumstances to garner the chakra or use the abilities. Even with the toads Jiraiya still could not master frog sage mode completely. But he could use it to some extent. Which contradicts your last sentence

And Kabuto's Sage Mode was clearly imperfect. A Sage Mode is only perfect when there are no transformation of the animal it is representing. The difference between Jiraiya and Naruto was his frog-like appearance, and due to that Naruto's mastery is much greater than Jiraiya's. [

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First sentence. I never said Kabuto's Sage Mode was perfect. I said he perfected it beyond what Oro could do. Which I've already given you my reasoning as to why I believe Oro housed an even weaker form of the mode. You chose to ignore it so I won't beat a dead horse.

And Sage Mode is not the same as Curse Mark. Orochimaru himself stated it is merely Senjutsu. [

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] The Curse Mark originates from Jyugo Clan, who had merely the ability to absorb Natural Energy, not control it like Sage Mode. [

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First @bold: Again, Jiraiya could not control the chakra all the way, even with the help of Ma and Pa, yet he could still obtain a level of Sage Mode. As you wanted to say earlier, Kabuto has an imperfect Sage Mode right? That means he too could not control the chakra completely. Not being able to control the charka does not mean that your physical change is not still a form of Sage Mode.

Second. Read your own page dude. The seal itself is senjutsu, but as Oro said, the seal's power can be released, which causes a physical change in the user, which is a form of Sage Mode. As your page before this said, Juugo got his ability from the same place Oro and Kabuto sought out their snake sage mode, more evidence that each sage mode is different and leads to different abilities, appearances, etc. Whatever goes on with Snake Sage Mode does not mean it's automatically true for Frog Sage Mode. You just proved my point kid.

As KingHashirama said and I've been trying to get across to you, people call Kabuto's sage mode dragon sage mode to better distinct it from Oro's, juugo's, and any other modes that originate from that mountain. If you really made this entire thread just to complain about Dragon Sage Mode not being an official thing from Kishi I pity you. You were better off complaining that people use the name "Juubito" even though that was never said in the manga. You made a big deal out of NOTHING

 

[KingHashirama]

I don't think anyone is necessarily arguing that Dragon Sage Mode is an official moniker passed down from Kishi himself but basically yes you're right. What about the name doesn't make sense in reference to the situation? I could see if people decided to call it "pee-pee Sage Mode" or something

It's no different than people using the name "Juubito" even though to my knowledge he's never been called such in the manga. It's just a name to better communicate the idea of "Obito as the ten tails jin" without having to say all of that.

I used Obito tho =D.

 

[Draegod]

Lmao ppl nit pick on kabuto's sage mode saying it's not dragon sage mode, but call it "snake sage mode" when it was never ever called snake sage mode either. So in turn it is sannin/hermit/sage mode. Period! Same thing with naruto and hashirama. Unless you show proof, don't contradict yourself stating it wasn't called one thing, yet call it something else it also wasn't ever called. Lmmfao

Damn kids..

 

[Troyg39]

Lmao ppl nit pick on kabuto's sage mode saying it's not dragon sage mode, but call it "snake sage mode" when it was never ever called snake sage mode either. So in turn it is sannin/hermit/sage mode. Period! Same thing with naruto and hashirama. Unless you show proof, don't contradict yourself stating it wasn't called one thing, yet call it something else it also wasn't ever called. Lmmfao

Damn kids..

Damn I wish you were around earlier