Massive Izanagi misconception i see all the time

[USSJ Future Trunks]

izanagi in danzo and obito's case does not grant you 10/11 "lives". in fact you never die at all, except i guess once if you lose the fight. izanagi is a genjutsu, just like any other. you can die infinite times while its active and never actually be harmed except by chakra level depletion. kabuto has probably killed itachi 1000 times in his izanami trap but none of those kills count as a real one.

what izanagi does is enable you to rewrite an unfavourable outcome as a dream. lets say you were stuck in a paralsysis jutsu or took a scratch. you can rewrite it so it didnt happen as many times as you want within the time limit. if your time limit is 1 minute per eye, then that means you can rewrite the outcome infinite amount of times till your eyes are all used up and blind.

in obito's case he had to rewrite billions of bombs hitting him as a dream again and again for 10 minutes, and respawn away from the explosion. each time he respawned, it was near the explosion again. we know this is the case because after 10 minutes, konan sees him again and hes taken no further damage BUT his eye is now closed forever.

izanagi is not a "spare life" in the sense that kakuzu's hearts are. and if you dont need it to beat someone you can just deactivate it. meaning a shinobi could cancel izaangi before the minute is up, and keep that eye around for the rest of his life. because he never used up the time limit. in danzo's case, he couldnt afford to because susano is too strong offensively and defensively. sasuke's only option for defeating it once understanding it was a relentless physical assault to keep danzo on his toes and using it all up.

the point is killing danzo 10 times does nothing. for one you never killed him at all. you hit an illusion. he just washed away the damage so it appears like it never happened. danzo also doesnt bleed real blood whne hes an izanagi, because sasuke had blood on his face when he crushed danzo. when danzo respawned, the blood was gone.
your not killing his extra lives. your making him use up the 1 minute time limit on the izanagi, in which he can die any amount of times and still rewrite it.

 

[magus zeal]

the real misconception is people thinking its not a haxed ass pull jutsu

 

[Prime Rib]

actually people tend to no about that more than they no that you done need senju dna to perform the technique if ur an uchiha

 

[Fodder#4]

I've got to say, I never did understand the "He has ten minutes" thing, for Danzo. Well, thanks for clearing this up then.

 

[Dantee]

Another misconception is that some people think it requires senju dna.

 

[Troyg39]

Question. Are you saying that you can deactivate it before your time limit is up and keep it to re-use for the remainder of it's time limit? Or are you saying you can deactivate it before it's time limit is up and the next time you use it, the time limit will be restarted too? Because I don't think that's the latter is how it works I'm just trying to make sure I'm on the same page. But I agree with everything else

 

[Dantee]

Question. Are you saying that you can deactivate it before your time limit is up and keep it to re-use for the remainder of it's time limit? Or are you saying you can deactivate it before it's time limit is up and the next time you use it, the time limit will be restarted too? Because I don't think that's the latter is how it works I'm just trying to make sure I'm on the same page. But I agree with everything else

Actually this is true hence why Izanami was created because Izanagi can make any Uchiha Op'd.

 

[Troyg39]

Actually this is true hence why Izanami was created because Izanagi can make any Uchiha Op'd.

I meant the former. And it makes sense but I'd rather wait for manga evidence before I accept it as fact because to me it makes more sense for you to lose your eye once you use it. After all Obito used it on Konan and his eye was clearly open afterwards for about 3 pages even though he had already escaped her paper bombs. I highly doubt he would've kept it active when he already had already stabbed her unless Izanagi isn't something you just deactivate and save for later.

And I have a question for you too. You said you don't need senju dna for izanagi. Are you saying this is false?

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Also notice his eye was still open even on this page. One panel shows him talking to her with it wide open. He had already stabbed her so Im sure he would've deactivated it if the fight was over

 

[Prime Rib]

Actually this is true hence why Izanami was created because Izanagi can make any Uchiha Op'd.

Izanami was created to punish inzanagi users who abused it

 

[Prime Rib]

Question. Are you saying that you can deactivate it before your time limit is up and keep it to re-use for the remainder of it's time limit? Or are you saying you can deactivate it before it's time limit is up and the next time you use it, the time limit will be restarted too? Because I don't think that's the latter is how it works I'm just trying to make sure I'm on the same page. But I agree with everything else

Using the technique incomplete will only save you from death, a full master inzanagi can last as long as 1 minute or longer.

but to clear things up inzanagi runs out if the user dies.

 

[naruttebayo]

i still couldn't understand

give me simple answers

1> does it require senju dna necessarily ?
2> could danzou use the same eyes again if he could live after the battle ?
3> what is the time limit of a izanagi ?

 

[Dantee]

Izanami was created to punish inzanagi users who abused it

What happens when you think they abuse it?

I meant the former. And it makes sense but I'd rather wait for manga evidence before I accept it as fact because to me it makes more sense for you to lose your eye once you use it. After all Obito used it on Konan and his eye was clearly open afterwards for about 3 pages even though he had already escaped her paper bombs. I highly doubt he would've kept it active when he already had already stabbed her unless Izanagi isn't something you just deactivate and save for later.

And I have a question for you too. You said you don't need senju dna for izanagi. Are you saying this is false?

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There is proof Itachi said it himself that Izanami was created to punish Izanagi abusers. Is that manga scan false? Yes and no. I think Obito meant the true power of Izanagi and that the senju dna was able to push the time limit of Izanagi to 10minutes.

 

[naruttebayo]

There is proof Itachi said it himself that Izanami was created to punish Izanagi abusers. Is that manga scan false? Yes and no. I think Obito meant the true power of Izanagi and that the senju dna was able to push the time limit of Izanagi to 10minutes.

or may be izanami was simply a different case .

 

[Dantee]

or may be izanami was simply a different case .

or maybe the manga is always right.

 

[Troyg39]

What happens when you think they abuse it?



There is proof Itachi said it himself that Izanami was created to punish Izanagi abusers. Is that manga scan false? Yes and no. I think Obito meant the true power of Izanagi and that the senju dna was able to push the time limit of Izanagi to 10minutes.

I don't see how that proves that Izanagi can be deactivated and re-used. I just thought it meant that too many Uchihas were wasting away their eye sight to change outcomes that felt were unfavorable instead of just accepting the results that were supposed to happen, and to stop this Izanami was created to keep them from wasting their eyes. That's not really proof that it can be deactivated and saved but if you say so I wont argue.

But Obito clearly said "a technique that can only be used by having both senju and uchiha powers". Absolutely nothing about this suggests that he was saying senju simply adds to the power. He literally it can only be used unless you have both. But again I didn't ask you that to argue I just wanted to make sure I understood what you were actually trying to say

 

[naruttebayo]

or maybe the manga is always right.

yes it is, cuz i don't see where it is stated something which suggests 'izanagi doesn't need senju dna'

 

[Dantee]

I don't see how that proves that Izanagi can be deactivated and re-used. I just thought it meant that too many Uchihas were wasting away their eye sight to change outcomes that felt were unfavorable instead of just accepting the results that were supposed to happen, and to stop this Izanami was created to keep them from wasting their eyes. That's not really proof that it can be deactivated and saved but if you say so I wont argue.

But Obito clearly said "a technique that can only be used by having both senju and uchiha powers". Absolutely nothing about this suggests that he was saying senju simply adds to the power. He literally it can only be used unless you have both. But again I didn't ask you that to argue I just wanted to make sure I understood what you were actually trying to say

Okay. Well here Itachi explains to Sasuke about what Izanagi was and what it meant for the Uchiha Clan.

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At this time I don't think to many Uchihas had senju dna implanted in them. It would be silly to take something that was said earlier in the manga and write off something that was explained later. The scan you provided can either be one of three things imo.

-Badly translated
-Kishi not being clear and changing his mind later
-meant to imply the power of true Izanagi

 

[Troyg39]

Okay. Well here Itachi explains to Sasuke about what Izanagi was and what it meant for the Uchiha Clan.

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At this time I don't think to many Uchihas had senju dna implanted in them. It would be silly to take something that was said earlier in the manga and write off something that was explained later. The scan you provided can either be one of three things imo.

-Badly translated
-Kishi not being clear and changing his mind later
-meant to imply the power of true Izanagi

Well the really doesn't make any sense because that's pretty much saying Senju Dna makes Izanagi worse. Both Danzo and Obito had senju dna, and both lost their eyes after using Izanagi, but yet you seem to believe the the Uchihas of old all spammed it without losing their eyesight, even though they didn't have senju dna. That's a little backwards don't you think? That would mean that having senju dna doesn't increase Izanagi's length at all because you can just deactivate it and keep spamming it as much as you want if you don't have senju dna but if you do have it then you'll lose your light eventually.

It's also possible that this could be a bad explanation of Izanami. Kishi isn't perfect so who knows?

To me that makes more sense that what you have proposed for reasons I just explained

Edit: But you are right. The way it's explained, Izanagi did seem to be able to use it repeatedly Uchiha users back in the day.

 

[naruttebayo]

Okay. Well here Itachi explains to Sasuke about what Izanagi was and what it meant for the Uchiha Clan.

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At this time I don't think to many Uchihas had senju dna implanted in them. It would be silly to take something that was said earlier in the manga and write off something that was explained later. The scan you provided can either be one of three things imo.

-Badly translated
-Kishi not being clear and changing his mind later
-meant to imply the power of true Izanagi

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i see it differently

kill 1 senju & izanagi for 5 uchiha.

pretty convenient in the era of war i think

further probably for their selfish desire may be they started stealing eyes too

that's what makes izanagi users arrogant and dangerous for their own clan

 

[Dantee]

Well the really doesn't make any sense because that's pretty much saying Senju Dna makes Izanagi worse. Both Danzo and Obito had senju dna, and both lost their eyes after using Izanagi, but yet you seem to believe the the Uchihas of old all spammed it without losing their eyesight, even though they didn't have senju dna. That's a little backwards don't you think? That would mean that having senju dna doesn't increase Izanagi's length at all because you can just deactivate it and keep spamming it as much as you want if you don't have senju dna but if you do have it then you'll lose your light eventually.

It's also possible that this could be a bad explanation of Izanami. Kishi isn't perfect so who knows?

To me that makes more sense that what you have proposed for reasons I just explained

No i never said they wouldn't lose their eyesight...I said it would make them OP'd.

What I meant by this is that Itachi explained the arrogant Uchihas would keep changing results until their liking. I'm guessing after the results they would lose their eyesight for good but whatever results they've made is strictly from Izanagi. That means any fodder Uchiha could do w.e the hell they want in a fight or real life situations until they feel pleased.

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i see it differently

kill 1 senju & izanagi for 5 uchiha.

pretty convenient in the era of war i think

further probably for their selfish desire may be they started stealing eyes too

that's what makes izanagi users arrogant and dangerous for their own clan

I don't agree that Izanagi required senju dna. If the 1st Uchihas who discovered Izanagi were using senju dna to enhance their powers, then why haven't we've seen more Uchihas with senju powers. Wouldn't the senju dna allow the Uchihas to top over the Senju Clan. Sorry but this theory isn't probable see that Izanagi was almost common knowledge.