[Theory] Many paths to attain Sage Mode.

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The manga made it clear (I can dig up chapters if needed) one can sign the scroll of more than one animal. As far as we know, only Toad users have attained Sage Mode. The thought struck me, ninja can attain Sage Mode with any animal, they just have not spent the time with the animal to do so.

My linear pattern of thought is as followed:

3rd Hokage had a contract with Monkey's. He would summon one, Enma, as needed during battle alone.

5th Hokage had Slug. Only summons when absolutely needed, requires too much chakra.

Oro summons either Giant Snake ( I know the sound ninja did when they attacked the Leaf ) or Manda when it was the last resort. Keep in mind Manda hated him and the Snakes require sacrifices.

Kakashi summoned various Dogs but for tracking/support purposes only, and rarely. He won fights, even challenging bouts with Chidori.

Guy used his Turtle once in the Manga, and even that was to transport him.

The Pervy Sage used the Oil element his entire ninja career, and used Toad summons over any other technique. He used Rensengan and his hair tech's rarely, but he learned the ladder from Minato, after he became a Sage. He wanted to amplify his power by combining with Toads later in life, which was the way he became a 'Semi-Sage'.

The Fourth summoned Gamabunta when needed, but was in training to be a Sage before becomming Hokage (Based on the CCG). He was on the path to become a sage and worked closely with frogs/toads later in life.

Naruto learned and used toads often, as it was what, one of three abilities he had for most of the series. The tech was too advanced for him, but once in Sage Mode, he made it clear he had a toad fettish by spamming out toad summons.

All in all, from what we know, those who worked extensively with the summon are the individuals who became a Sage with the animal.

Back to my theory, that you can become a Sage in more than one way. Being a Sage allows you to use Natural Chakra, zero proof has yet to be shown that you must be a Toad user to become Sage. Nor that the Sage of Six Paths used toads. In fact, I believe that someone like Nagato could have leaned Sage Mode if he attempted to do so. He did not because he did not need the Chakra, and did not know how to. Remember, the Toads lived in another realm and must teach you Sage Mode. The toads were very old. Maybe they were simply the oldest/last surviving animals who remembered/knew.

Thoughts? If my pattern of thinking is correct, Sage Mode has nothing to do with the animal but is about balancing out yourself. Naruto did it with the help of the frog, and ascended to another level of Sage when he over-came the nine-tailed beast. They do not exactly relate directly, but are individual areas of power. Therefore, becoming an Animal Sage is possible with enough training with any Animal, but the Sage Mode of one's self, like the Sage of Six Paths had, requires a substantial deeper understanding of yourself, and not a bond with an Animal.
 
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The reason why Naruto is called a sage is because he mastered sage mode. He's a toad sage among the toads because he mastered their most secret technique. In short he is one with nature something only two people could actually do so they call him a sag.

I dough any of the other summoning could teach people sage mode, probably something similar but not likely. How many people actually visit their summing world. Jiraiya did so they tough him their jutsus. Even Minato I dough tried to train with the toads that's why he never had sage mode.
 

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Your theory has one massive hole.

The toads are the only animals we know of that use techniques using chakra.


Also where did you get the forth hokage was training to become a sage. NO NO NO NO

He wasn't sage, did try to be a sage, NOTHING, NO SAGE.

Pa frog didn't even mention the forth hokage when training naruto which would have been a great time to say something. He keep on comparing Naruto to the next best shinobi using sage mode and that was Jiraiya.

I wish people get over the fact that Minato simply didn't learn sage mode.
 
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Your theory has one massive hole.

The toads are the only animals we know of that use techniques using chakra.


Also where did you get the forth hokage was training to become a sage. NO NO NO NO

He wasn't sage, did try to be a sage, NOTHING, NO SAGE.

Pa frog didn't even mention the forth hokage when training naruto which would have been a great time to say something. He keep on comparing Naruto to the next best shinobi using sage mode and that was Jiraiya.

I wish people get over the fact that Minato simply didn't learn sage mode.
That hole is not a hole. I stated we do not know about the realms of other Animals because the characters never went there.

I got the Minato training to be a Sage from the CCG. They openly name him Sage in training. I was at liberty, as its my theory, to make the connection.

Training to be Sage does not mean that he went to the frog realm, or was attempting to become a Toad Sage either, thats my entire theory. I am guessing one can become a Sage by various animals, and control other other factors. Such as Naruto being the Toad Sage, and after him controlling the Fox, his chakra resembling that of the Sage of Six Paths.
 

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even if their are other ways to become sage (which i highly doubt is possible) what do you want to prove with it...you think other characters would gain the sage mode ...seriously do you think so kishi will do that...and you cant make a connection that minato knew sage mode as there is no proof in the manga...Kishi didnt write it...i dont believe it..and neither does anyone...It would have been fun but it is not possible.
 
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I do not want the fourth to be a Sage. You are reading into that too much. I posted it as an animal example of users and rating time spent/devoted to it and who attained Sage Mode.

My entire point is that I think it is possible to become a sage without the use of an animal. Thusly making being a 'Toad Sage' just an upgrade and not the actual Sage Mode the Sage of Six Paths had. The Sage of Six Paths had a different 'Sage' Mode that what we have seen. Connecting Naruto to the Sage as this being a step in that direction is a stretch of the imagination, as the real connection to the Animal Sage Mode is time/devotion to the animal, or trust, not actual likeness to the Sage of Six Paths.
 

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i agree with white fang to a point...i dont agree with any animal being able to teach it tho...also i do think that minato was learning sage arts why would he noT? if he was able to summon toads and they liked him why would;d they not want to teach him their techniques. I also think there are different types of sages.
 

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Hi all..i'm new here but i would like to reply on some of white fang's theory..
Pa frog on chapter 409 page 07 clearly stated that it would take a month on foot to reach the Myouboku Mountain, so based on this,i don't agree to white fangs statement that the frogs live in another realm.
i do,however,agree that anybody could become a Sage,as long as they know how to achieve it,or has someone to teach him/her the technique,and (as Pa frog again stated) has enormous amount of chakra.
That's all 4 now...tq everyone. =)
 

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I do think Kishi intended the sage mode to be toad trade mark only. Remember the rules of getting sage mode;

- You gather the nature energy around you with absolute stillness.
- You balance that nature energy with your own chakra. If your chakra isnt huge enough, you cant get enough of it, hence no SM.
- If you manage to balance it perfectly, your eyes resemble TOAD EYES (Naruto).
- If you cannot balance it perfectly, your face, hands, eyes look like a TOAD (Jiraiya)
- If you draw too much nature energy, you become a stone TOAD.

So, in fact you don't really do anything toadish, you just draw nature energy (which is everywhere, you don't gather it from the toads themselves) and yet again you start looking like a freaking toad!

It would look absurd, say, if Kakashi's dogs used to know it (like you try to hint), and when they trained you, you resembled a toad. (If you cant balance nature energy, you become a toad, nothing else)

And it also requires you to be benevolent, in order to become one with nature, fuse with life itself. Or can you imagine (like) madara learning it, and we see little cute birds landing on Madara's index finger ? For all the cute little birds care, they would rather poop on his spiky head! He can't get sage mode whatever he does.

So yes sir, sage mode is strictly a toad discipline, you can't get it anywhere else. Non-toad people might learn it if they are fit, but its origin is toads.
 
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If the other Animal had their own version of Sage Mode to any degree it is most likely we would have seen it by now in one form or a noter from a friend or an enemy by now.
 

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Your theory has one massive hole.

The toads are the only animals we know of that use techniques using chakra.


Also where did you get the forth hokage was training to become a sage. NO NO NO NO

He wasn't sage, did try to be a sage, NOTHING, NO SAGE.

Pa frog didn't even mention the forth hokage when training naruto which would have been a great time to say something. He keep on comparing Naruto to the next best shinobi using sage mode and that was Jiraiya.

I wish people get over the fact that Minato simply didn't learn sage mode.
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So then who was Pa toad referring to when he said ... well i cant find it, but he says something about you'll only be the third to become a sage... or something to the effect...
 

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I do not want the fourth to be a Sage. You are reading into that too much. I posted it as an animal example of users and rating time spent/devoted to it and who attained Sage Mode.

My entire point is that I think it is possible to become a sage without the use of an animal. Thusly making being a 'Toad Sage' just an upgrade and not the actual Sage Mode the Sage of Six Paths had. The Sage of Six Paths had a different 'Sage' Mode that what we have seen. Connecting Naruto to the Sage as this being a step in that direction is a stretch of the imagination, as the real connection to the Animal Sage Mode is time/devotion to the animal, or trust, not actual likeness to the Sage of Six Paths.
Oh i didn't realize that's what u meant.
Well in case I also think there's more sage mode than meets the eye.

I highly doubt any other animal knows of sage mode.

I have thread that tries get sage mode into perceptive if interested.

 

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So then who was Pa toad referring to when he said ... well i cant find it, but he says something about you'll only be the third to become a sage... or something to the effect...
Im not aware of this.

The manga doesn't mention minato and sage mode.

And in the anime just before naruto leaves to learn sage mode in the hokage's office we are told that Jiraiya is the only one in konoha who could use sage mode.
 
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