Mangetsu is NOT the strongest Seven Ninja Swordsmen

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Yea I know, I'm trying to tell these guys.
You just triple posted dude. ^^
OT: The only Mangetsu lacks is feats so based on that any 7 swordsman that we have seen fight, beats him. On the other hand, based on hype clearly Mangetsu is much superior to any of the swordsmen.
 

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There's an entire division of sensors.
Kiba and his clan are great examples of shinobi with good senses.
Katon would evaporate the mist...

Sensors + Fuuton (no matter how small) +Katon > Raiton users.
That division is the smallest one that doesnt even contain more that 10% of all shinobi.

Kiba and his clan is the only clan that can sense so, its rare running into one. And just because people may have counters to the mist, youre acting like Zabuza doesnt have anything else, he still has large scale suiton, 2 other tactical suitons that fooled and trapped Kakashi, and elite Kenjutsu. Mangetsu just has Hydrification, if you have a counter to that he's done, he has nothing else.

Katon would not evaporate the mist, someone used a katon in the mist, it didnt do shit, you cant go against the manga smart ass

Fuuton(least common nature), Sensors(no more than 10% population)<<<<<<<<<<<<<Katon, Raiton, Genjutsu users. If you dont get that, you must be retarded.
 

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You just triple posted dude. ^^
OT: The only Mangetsu lacks is feats so based on that any 7 swordsman that we have seen fight, beats him. On the other hand, based on hype clearly Mangetsu is much superior to any of the swordsmen.
How do you reply to other people in just 1 comment?? I have no clue.

Mangetsu's hype: mastered all 7 swords, moniker - second coming of the demon

Zabuza's hype: Killed over 100 genin when not even in the academy yet, the practice exams were cancelled due to this, moniker - The Demon of the Hidden Mist, was in the Anbu assassination squad, went up against and attacked the Mizukage who was actually Obito, and still survived and planned to go back and do it a second time, and known for the deadliest Silent Killing, noted other swordsmen didnt compare to him at it.

What the hell are you talking about? haha
 

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That division is the smallest one that doesnt even contain more that 10% of all shinobi.

Kiba and his clan is the only clan that can sense so, its rare running into one. And just because people may have counters to the mist, youre acting like Zabuza doesnt have anything else, he still has large scale suiton, 2 other tactical suitons that fooled and trapped Kakashi, and elite Kenjutsu. Mangetsu just has Hydrification, if you have a counter to that he's done, he has nothing else.

Katon would not evaporate the mist, someone used a katon in the mist, it didnt do shit, you cant go against the manga smart ass

Fuuton(least common nature), Sensors(no more than 10% population)<<<<<<<<<<<<<Katon, Raiton, Genjutsu users. If you dont get that, you must be retarded.
Smart ass? I don't recall stooping to names.

Even though that number has no basis... if we go with it, that'd be 10% of a total of 5 villages...
We don't how many shinobi use genjutsu and it can be dispelled...
I never said a single Katon would work.
Your also still including Katon in weaknesses, with no evidence.

I'm tired of this, you've overrated a D-Rank Suiton.
If it was as powerful as you think, Kirigakure would've already stomped the other villages ages ago.
And...


You can see their silhouettes.. it is the manga. Yes?
We also saw Guy counter Haku whilst in the mist.
 
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I don't think he's the strongest. I agree that Zabuza is the strongest that was IN that version of the Seven Mist Swordsmen...

I don't think anybody else mastered all the weapons though. He's the only one noted to be so. But what is noted to be a master? Having great proficiency? It doesn't mean that he mastered the weapons as well as their current owners.
 

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Smart ass? I don't recall stooping to names.

Even though that number has no basis... if we go with it, that'd be 10% of a total of 5 villages...
We don't how many shinobi use genjutsu and it can be dispelled...
I never said a single Katon would work.
Your also still including Katon in weaknesses, with no evidence.

I'm tired of this, you've overrated a D-Rank Suiton.
If it was as powerful as you think, Kirigakure would've already stomped the other villages ages ago.
And...


You can see their silhouettes.. it is the manga. Yes?
We also saw Guy counter Haku whilst in the mist.
10% of all 5 villages, thats 10% of 80,000 shinobi. But im just assuming it would be 10% because the division was so small, its possible it may be less

It wasnt a single katon in the manga anyways, it was a whole ambush, ill try to find the scan soon if i have time.

Your Katon statement is true, I have to agree with that, but if Mangetsu gets hit with a very powerful Katon, dont you think since he, made of water would have some type of negative effect on him?

Im not overrating the technique, im just stating its advantages. Plus the rank of the jutsu doesnt matter, it just says how difficult it is to perform
 

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I don't think he's the strongest. I agree that Zabuza is the strongest that was IN that version of the Seven Mist Swordsmen...

I don't think anybody else mastered all the weapons though. He's the only one noted to be so. But what is noted to be a master? Having great proficiency? It doesn't mean that he mastered the weapons as well as their current owners.
That version/generation of the swordsmen was noted to be the best, Kisame was the 2nd newest last member, behind Chojuro, but yea thank you for agreeing with me.

Also, i agree on your proficiency statement.
 

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How do you reply to other people in just 1 comment?? I have no clue.

Mangetsu's hype: mastered all 7 swords, moniker - second coming of the demon

Zabuza's hype: Killed over 100 genin when not even in the academy yet, the practice exams were cancelled due to this, moniker - The Demon of the Hidden Mist, was in the Anbu assassination squad, went up against and attacked the Mizukage who was actually Obito, and still survived and planned to go back and do it a second time, and known for the deadliest Silent Killing, noted other swordsmen didnt compare to him at it.

What the hell are you talking about? haha

Wielding 7 swords >> Killing 100 genin. This is my last post since I don't like flaming, I hope you understand.
 

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10% of all 5 villages, thats 10% of 80,000 shinobi. But im just assuming it would be 10% because the division was so small, its possible it may be less

It wasnt a single katon in the manga anyways, it was a whole ambush, ill try to find the scan soon if i have time.

Your Katon statement is true, I have to agree with that, but if Mangetsu gets hit with a very powerful Katon, dont you think since he, made of water would have some type of negative effect on him?

Im not overrating the technique, im just stating its advantages. Plus the rank of the jutsu doesnt matter, it just says how difficult it is to perform
Your implying he will always get hit though and Zabuza won't.
We've seen techniques with incredible range.

You've also ignored Mangetsu's strengths.
If Zabuza would lose to him, how many others would too?
Anybody who uses Taijutsu and Kenjtsu without Raiton are basically doomed.
Suiton and ninja tools are just as meaningless.

His sword alone is a massive surprise factor.
It's speed impressed Naruto, Black Zetsu and two other shinobi.

We've seen a lot of people use those abilities, if they can't use them, what's the point?
If your measuring strength by the difficulty they present to others... lots of people don't stand a chance.
 
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Wielding 7 swords >> Killing 100 genin. This is my last post since I don't like flaming, I hope you understand.
Being able to wield every sword (not at one time, hopefully you know that) > killing 100 genin - True

Being able to wield every sword << Killed over 100 genin when not even in the academy yet, the practice exams were cancelled due to this, moniker - The Demon of the Hidden Mist, was in the Anbu assassination squad, went up against and attacked the Mizukage who was actually Obito, and still survived and planned to go back and do it a second time, and known for the deadliest Silent Killing, noted other swordsmen didnt compare to him at it. - TRUE

for some reason, you left out all of Zabuza's hype that i provided and only included 1 piece of it to try to prove your ignorant point, so this is my last post to you because i dont like dealing with ignorant people like you
 

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Your implying he will always get hit though and Zabuza won't.
We've seen techniques with incredible range.

You've also ignored Mangetsu's strengths.
If Zabuza would lose to him, how many others would too?
Anybody who uses Taijutsu and Kenjtsu without Raiton are basically doomed.
Suiton and ninja tools are just as meaningless.

His sword alone is a massive surprise factor.
It's speed impressed Naruto, Black Zetsu and two other shinobi.

We've seen a lot of people use those abilities, if they can't use them, what's the point?
If your measuring strength by the difficulty they present to others... lots of people don't stand a chance.
No i'm not implying that, im just stating his weakness is that.

Anyone without Sensing abilites and fuuton are basically doomed against Zabuza. Also those with decent Taijutsu because even very elite taijutsu users like Kakashi got beat out by him at parts of there fight.

But I agree with you on Mangetsu's strengths, he is a very strong opponent, perhaps they are tied for the strongest on the swordsmen, that is a possibility.

You may have slightly changed my mind
 

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No i'm not implying that, im just stating his weakness is that.

Anyone without Sensing abilites and fuuton are basically doomed against Zabuza. Also those with decent Taijutsu because even very elite taijutsu users like Kakashi got beat out by him at parts of there fight.

But I agree with you on Mangetsu's strengths, he is a very strong opponent, perhaps they are tied for the strongest on the swordsmen, that is a possibility.

You may have slightly changed my mind
Let's settle for a tie than.
We've both made fair posts.
 

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I'm not mistaking Mangetsu was the leader of that generation of swordesmen. Normally the strongest is leader. Anyway its hard to compare because we haven't seen much of the other swordsman.
 

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Any enemie that can't be sensed is very dangerous, even if somedody can sense zabuza, it would be very hard to beat him anyway, for example you locate him in the mist, you still have to deal with his high taijutsu, kenjutsu, and ninjutsu
 
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