Mangetsu is NOT the strongest Seven Ninja Swordsmen

[kooko]

Orochimaru killed mangetsu and captured suigetsu ..
Orochimaru can beat zabuza too but he can't beat kisame ..

Kisame is only ninja amoung 7 swordsmen has S-rank .
While zabuza is barely an A rank shinobi and i am not sure
About the others ..

Finally , kisame is strongest

 

[Akatsuki Darui]

I don't understand why people think he was the strongest, (excluding Kisame). Oh and please read this or you won't agree.

Yea ok he mastered all seven swords, big deal. I find it hard to believe that other members such as Ameyuri Ringo and two Anbu members, Zabuza and Kushimaru couldn't master all the swords besides Samehada. I bet they just picked a favorite or a sword that best suits their abilities.

Mangetsu when he was alive wielded the Haramekarei, not even one of the strongest swords.... This is evident because the other members already wielded the other six.

Mangetsu mastering Samehada basically only shows he has high chakra reserves, that's basically it, no other feats from the other swords other than the obvious, good chakra control.

Mangetsu is strong, true, but all he has else other than Silent Killing is the Hydrification technique, we might be able to assume he has some of Suigetsu's abilites, but he died so early in his life, so I don't know. I guess we can say he can make his arm stronger using his KG to wield a blade easier.

So, Mangetsu has very good kenjutsu, silent killing (he can't use Hidden Mist Jutsu, so his SK is basically useless in battle, hydrification technique, large chakra reserves, and can enlarge his arm.

Now personally, I think Zabuza is the strongest. He has at least the same skills in Kenjutsu as Mangetsu, (4.5/5, the same as Kisame's according to DB). Also, he was noted the best at Silent Killing, so great that Kakashi even noted, "no one compared to him". He was the only one in the group able to use the Hidden Mist Jutsu, and he used it so great it was his signature. Not only that, but he could also use Water Clone, Water Prison, Water Dragon, and Giant Vortex Jutsu.

Also, Zabuza still had incredible strength, even able to wield the Kubikiribocho with one hand with ease, something Mangetsu would have to use his KG to enlargen his arm for.

Plus, Mangetsu wasn't even an Anbu member, an accomplishment and special rank Zabuza achieved.

So to summerize this up, Zabuza is the best at Silent Killing and Hidden Mist Jutsu, a jutsu only he possessed in the group, already incredible strength, high chakra reserves(not as high as Mangetsu), very fast, and great large scale Suiton techs and two other tactical Suiton techs.

True Mangetsu would beat Zabuza due to Zabuza revolving around Suiton, but overall, Zabuza is the stronger of the two when facing other opponents shown in the series, so he is the strongest one of the group.

I didnt know that Zabuza have fanboys

 

[PretaPath]

Orochimaru killed mangetsu and captured suigetsu ..
Orochimaru can beat zabuza too but he can't beat kisame ..

Kisame is only ninja amoung 7 swordsmen has S-rank .
While zabuza is barely an A rank shinobi and i am not sure
About the others ..

Finally , kisame is strongest

No. Killer Bee is.

 

[TheBrightSide]

Orochimaru killed mangetsu and captured suigetsu ..
Orochimaru can beat zabuza too but he can't beat kisame ..

Kisame is only ninja amoung 7 swordsmen has S-rank .
While zabuza is barely an A rank shinobi and i am not sure
About the others ..

Finally , kisame is strongest

I dont know where you got the idea that Oro killed Mangetsu..?

 

[Pekoms]

Orochimaru killed mangetsu and captured suigetsu ..
Orochimaru can beat zabuza too but he can't beat kisame ..

Kisame is only ninja amoung 7 swordsmen has S-rank .
While zabuza is barely an A rank shinobi and i am not sure
About the others ..

Finally , kisame is strongest

It was never stated how Mangetsu died.
Kisame isn't included in this thread.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

I'm just stating the facts here.

From what ive read here almost all of you say that Mangetsu is the strongest because of him mastering the seven swords and his hydrification hydrification technique.

First up i want to say that it doesn't really matters if he have mastered all the seven swords if he can only wield one or two in a battle. Then there is the hydrification technique which have alot of weaknesses like, Raiton attacks, low endurance as seen with suigetsu he constantly needs water and other things.

I would almost bet there has been made some kind of shocking seal or something along those lines which would also work more effectively because of his hydrification technique.

Thank you that's what I'm saying, people are blind and ignorant haha

 

[KingHashirama]

Kisame and Zabuza are top 2

 

[Fanta]

No. Killer Bee is.

for once we agree.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Your just speculating about Mangetsu's weakness to Katon.
He is still immune to Taijutsu and Kenjtutsu that don't involve Raiton.
Suiton and Ninja Tools are also meaningless.

Hiramekarei > Kubikiribocho
It's rather important.

Anyone with Fuuton can just blow the mist away.
Anyone with Katon can cause it to evaporate.
Anyone with good hearing/smelling can overcome the disadvantage of the mist.
Any sensor can pinpoint him, summonings can also do it.

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There's a lot of things for Zabuza to be concerned about.

Technically Zabuza is "immune" to taijutsu/kenjutsu because his skill in that category is so high that he can counter nearly everyones skill in that category, he was a swordsmen, after all.

Hiramekarei>Kubikiribocho, idgaf, it doesnt matter, what your thick skull doesnt understand is that this isnt a match up between them, its saying who has better feats to face other opponents

Fuuton can blow away the mist, if strong enough because someone used a fuuton in the mist against the swordsmen during the war but it didnt blow away shit.

Katon cannot evaporate the mist, if it did, it would just create a heavy steam that you cant even see through, so it really wouldnt make a difference. And someone used a katon against the swordsmen during the war and it didnt evaporate shit. you cant go against the manga on that

True, anyone with good hearing/smelling can, but out of the 10000+shinobi versing the 7 swordsmen, no one was able to hear or smell them out.

Yea any sensor can pinpoint them, but its rare you run into a sensor, not only that, but they wouldnt be able to touch Zabuza in the mist either cas Zabuza can sense them. Plus sensors other offensive jutsus arent very strong at all, Zabuza can overcome most of them with Kenjutsu and his large scale suiton

You dont understand the principle of this thread, so i will not be replying to u any longer

 

[TheBrightSide]

Hey, you appear to have forgotten about one little thing.
Mangetsu was always carrying a scroll with a summoning of all their weapons:

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So he could easily swap between them during the fight. I guess Mangetsu is harder opponent to face than Zabuza because of it. He is also far better than the Demon himself, because when measuring their fight both must be given Zabuza's sword (he could summon them all).

Also as a Hidden Mist ninja he must have met with the Hidden Mist jutsu, so even if he doesn't know it, it is likely that he has a counter for it or at least now how not to die in it. I wonder how Zabuza defends himself from Mangetsu attacks of all swords and also from his KG?

BTW. I really really loled at the part when you mentioned how manly you are because some girl on the Internet said so ;D (do you have some proof she was actually a girl? just sayin) And you are 16 hence it is obvius you must be awesome. Woow ;D The world is at your feet

It would be foolish to ignore this when taking a battle scenario into consideration^

 

[Pekoms]

Population: People who can counter the Hidden Mist Technique > Those who can counter the Hyrdification technique.

What does that mean?
Mangetsu is a greater threat to more shinobi.
You make it seam like everyone runs around with Raiton.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

The Hidden Mist technique is far from full proof though.

A shock seal? Stick to what we know.
It's like saying there is something for negating the mist.
It's all hopeless speculation, no evidence.

Katon, Fuuton, summonings, sensors, good hearing/smelling...
Population :That > Raition users

There are barely any Fuuton users, the least amount of people have that nature in the manga. Katon wont do shit against the mist, only Kakashi's dogs can sense him, but they need his blood first which is very hard to get, the only summoning that can do so[/B] Good hearing lies within the swordsmen, who now are all dead, so that wont rarely happen. So all of that<Raiton and Katon users against Mangetsu.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

i dont think there is anyone that zabuza can beat that Mangetsu cant.

Oh really? Darui

 

[Stark]

He mastered all 7 swords therefore he is the greatest of them all, Kisame is still more of a boss than him so don't get me wrong.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

You're underestimating Mangetsu. Mastering all 7 Swords is no small feat, and when combined with the Hozuki clan's techniques, it outclasses any one of the Seven Swordsman, except for Kisame. Zabuza is strong, but Mangetsu, even with such a short appearance in the series, has outclassed everything we've see Zabuza do so far.

We've seem Zabuza use the best Silent Killing skill, the only user to be able to use Hidden Mist Jutsu out of all the swordsmen, including Mangetsu. We've seen Zabuza use huge large scale suiton techs and 2 other tactical suiton techs. Zabuza was an Anbu member, Mangetsu was not. Zabuza said to have attacked the Mizukage, failed but still survived when the Mizukage was controlled by Obito. And we've seen Zabuza beat out Kakashi.

All we know about Mangetsu's fighting style is that he wielded the Hiramekarei and could the the hydrification technique. Nuff said

 

[Pekoms]

There are barely any Fuuton users, the least amount of people have that nature in the manga. Katon wont do shit against the mist, only Kakashi's dogs can sense him, but they need his blood first which is very hard to get, the only summoning that can do so[/B] Good hearing lies within the swordsmen, who now are all dead, so that wont rarely happen. So all of that<Raiton and Katon users against Mangetsu.

There's an entire division of sensors.
Kiba and his clan are great examples of shinobi with good senses.
Katon would evaporate the mist...

Sensors + Fuuton (no matter how small) +Katon > Raiton users.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

hahahahaha, a zabuza fanboy, i've definitely seen everything i could see on the base

Dude, you like Hidan.....the guy who got beat by a chuunin 1 on 1 and just talks like a dumbass.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Hey, you appear to have forgotten about one little thing.
Mangetsu was always carrying a scroll with a summoning of all their weapons:

You must be registered for see links

So he could easily swap between them during the fight. I guess Mangetsu is harder opponent to face than Zabuza because of it. He is also far better than the Demon himself, because when measuring their fight both must be given Zabuza's sword (he could summon them all).

Also as a Hidden Mist ninja he must have met with the Hidden Mist jutsu, so even if he doesn't know it, it is likely that he has a counter for it or at least now how not to die in it. I wonder how Zabuza defends himself from Mangetsu attacks of all swords and also from his KG?

BTW. I really really loled at the part when you mentioned how manly you are because some girl on the Internet said so ;D (do you have some proof she was actually a girl? just sayin) And you are 16 hence it is obvius you must be awesome. Woow ;D The world is at your feet

No, the scroll was summoned by Kabuto, Mangetsu is just the one who have summoned all the swords.

If this isnt the case, then are you telling me if Mangetsu was still alive, when Zabuza and Kisame ran off with their swords, Mangetsu made a scroll of the swords and could summon them and just take them away from Zabuza and Kisame? bullshit.

So you're wrong, he cannot swap and summon so many swords, and yes he does know Silent Killing, he has a counter, but for the last ****ing time this isnt a matchup between them, this is saying if they were pinned against other ninjas shown in the series, Zabuza's fighting style would be more effective.

Oh BTW, that comment about that girl wasnt to show anything off at all, i replied with that comment because that dude tryed to dis me on my looks, which is just lame on a naruto forum, so i just replied with a dumb comeback. and thats none of your business, so fack off.

Youre ignorance is annoying.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Kisame and Zabuza are top 2

Yea I know, I'm trying to tell these guys.

 

[Kuriboh]

i think killer bee is the strongest of the seven swordsmen, of course behind kisame